LET'S CHASE THE MINISTER FOR THE OFFICIAL CAP RELEASE!!!!!

[Go-Canada-Go]

please everyone email, ITS OUR RIGHT !!!!!

You can contact the Minister for the release of the CAP, which we ALL are waiting for......

By email

You may send comments to the Honourable Jason Kenney at Minister@cic.gc.ca.

Please note that if you want application status information or to change your address, you must do so using our online services. Case status enquiries and change of address requests are not handled via the Minister’s email address.

By Mail

Please write to the following address:

The Honourable Jason Kenney, P.C., M.P.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 1L1

 

[Go-Canada-Go]

HERE IS THE LINK....WE ALL ARE WAITING TO GET UPDATED......

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/complete-applications.asp

 

[scylla]

The cap does not reflect the number of applications that CIC has received. The cap reflects the number of COMPLETE APPLICATIONS COUNTED. This means that before CIC adds an application to the cap, they must first review the application to ensure it meets basic criteria for completeness. This review takes time and this is why it will likely be sometime in June before any cap information becomes available.

This is no different than in previous years.

 

[Go-Canada-Go]

The cap does not reflect the number of applications that CIC has received. The cap reflects the number of COMPLETE APPLICATIONS COUNTED. This means that before CIC adds an application to the cap, they must first review the application to ensure it meets basic criteria for completeness. This review takes time and this is why it will likely be sometime in June before any cap information becomes available.

This is no different than in previous years.

off course you are absolutely right, but as they are receiving applications on one hand and on the other they are counting the CAP after an applicant crosses the threshold of 67 points. And its been more than 3 weeks since they have announced FSW. so lets say CIC is doing some amount of applicants, after the first week they should have at least released the numbers once.
I have worked for a Reputed European Bank and I remember we processed loads of applicants applying for various sorts of things on a daily basis, at the end of the day, Bank precisely had the exact numbers of them as just it had the money in their vault.
so I guess, its not rocket science what CIC is doing, they just have to improve the process.

 

[coolguy2010]

Its the Initial stage where your application, documents will be screened in detail for all Visa Office (London, US, India, other Asian countries,etc). Plus they are receiving applications on daily basis...

They have cap of 300 applications per category and overall 5,000 application for year

It will take minimum 2 months to finalize the 300 applications and overall 5,000/- applications

Your bank data will not be such huge as CIC data....

off course you are absolutely right, but as they are receiving applications on one hand and on the other they are counting the CAP after an applicant crosses the threshold of 67 points. And its been more than 3 weeks since they have announced FSW. so lets say CIC is doing some amount of applicants, after the first week they should have at least released the numbers once.
I have worked for a Reputed European Bank and I remember we processed loads of applicants applying for various sorts of things on a daily basis, at the end of the day, Bank precisely had the exact numbers of them as just it had the money in their vault.
so I guess, its not rocket science what CIC is doing, they just have to improve the process.

 

[scylla]

I agree with coolguy.

CIC has to deal with a huge influx of mail when FSW opens (not just mail for the FSW program but other pieces of mail as well). They have to sort through everything and identify the FSW applicants from the rest of the mail while keeping all FSW applications in date / time received sequence so that applications are evaluated in the order received for the cap. Last time a few hours made a difference for NOC 1122 applicants. On the day the cap was reached, those whose applications arrived in the morning made the cap, when those whose application packages arrived in the afternoon were returned due to the cap being reached. So keeping applications in sequence is critical from a fairness perspective.

In a bank (I work for a large bank as well), the vast majority of applications are automated. Consequently it is very easy to process information quickly and balance at the end of the day. The immigration process is very different. The application process is not at all automated and each application must be manually reviewed. You simply can't compare the two. It's apples and oranges.

 

[Go-Canada-Go]

I agree with coolguy.

CIC has to deal with a huge influx of mail when FSW opens (not just mail for the FSW program but other pieces of mail as well). They have to sort through everything and identify the FSW applicants from the rest of the mail while keeping all FSW applications in date / time received sequence so that applications are evaluated in the order received for the cap. Last time a few hours made a difference for NOC 1122 applicants. On the day the cap was reached, those whose applications arrived in the morning made the cap, when those whose application packages arrived in the afternoon were returned due to the cap being reached. So keeping applications in sequence is critical from a fairness perspective.

In a bank (I work for a large bank as well), the vast majority of applications are automated. Consequently it is very easy to process information quickly and balance at the end of the day. The immigration process is very different. The application process is not at all automated and each application must be manually reviewed. You simply can't compare the two. It's apples and oranges.

No matter how much there inbox is, if they have spared one day to update the rest of the weekdays work (applicants numbers), it would be great for ALL.
I remember our back office of the bank used to get around 1100 to 1200 Post every single day in the form of cheques/withdrawals/complaints/requests/transfers/closers/openings the list goes on....and we used to stack them in more than 40 different positions according to preference. even though I agree its not the same process as with FSW, but I strongly believe its nothing less than that.

@scylla - working for a bank is completely different from working for the back office of that same bank.

 

[scylla]

@ scylla - working for a bank is completely different from working for the back office of that same bank.

No disagreement there. I spent many years of my banking career in the back office. I'm painfully familiar with the manual processes, challenges and reconciliations.

I still think there's a very big difference between the two. It takes an experinced back office staff member seconds to key punch a manual cheque or transfer. The only items that take more time are the recon items. But even then, the majority of those are easy to deal with and take seconds to minutes. A multi-page manual immigration application where none of the data has been captured automatically, the order in which the papers have been organized is inconsistent, handwriting may be difficult to read, critical documents are non standard (e.g. employee experience letters will look completely different from one person to the next), etc. is a different thing entirely.

Anyway, guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[neel-here]

I have a suggestion/ advice / request which can be made to the Minister :

Instead of providing info on cap (the "completed" & valid applications 'received' at CIC as of dd/mm/yy), we can ask them to release just 'the total no. of application packages" for each NOC received at their end as of a particular dd/mm/yy. It should be much simpler to obtain as we are required to mention the NOC category on the face of the envelope itself, & they must be stacking all application packages according to NOC on a daily/ real time basis. Hence, the information on "total no of application packages for each NOC" at a given point of time must be available easily with them daily.

(Underlying logic: Assume a buffer of 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 applications for rejections over & above 300 for given NOC & estimate if the cap is reached or not )

 

[Cappuccino]

I have a suggestion/ advice / request which can be made to the Minister :

Instead of providing info on cap (the "completed" & valid applications 'received' at CIC as of dd/mm/yy), we can ask them to release just 'the total no. of application packages" for each NOC received at their end as of a particular dd/mm/yy. It should be much simpler to obtain as we are required to mention the NOC category on the face of the envelope itself, & they must be stacking all application packages according to NOC on a daily/ real time basis. Hence, the information on "total no of application packages for each NOC" at a given point of time must be available easily with them daily.

(Underlying logic: Assume a buffer of 10 or 20 or 50 or 100 applications for rejections over & above 300 for given NOC & estimate if the cap is reached or not )

But then that is also a misleading total because they could have a stack of applications which may appear that the cap has been reached, but half those could be incomplete.

I think the only real way to do it is to count properly opened and completeness-checked applications.

However, I don't understand what is taking them so long to release some figures. Whereas they undoubtedly have had a large volume of initial intake they should have the figures for the applications they have opened so far.

If last year is anything to go by, even though the page is a .asp (Active Server Page) file, the totals I believe were manually entered and not pulled live from a database (we could tell this because occasionally the total at the bottom did not add up correctly, and computers are notoriously good at adding up numbers, hence why I think someone just manually adds the figures to the page).


It would take them all of maybe 20 minutes to add the figures to the page and upload the new .asp file to their site.

They currently advertise that this would be updated at least once per week, so to have not made a single release after 4 weeks is pretty poor.

Wayne.

 

[neel-here]

But then that is also a misleading total because they could have a stack of applications which may appear that the cap has been reached, but half those could be incomplete.

Wayne.

sorry Wayne, CIC only do the 'completeness' check.. half of those application can't be incomplete. All applicants whether applying by self/ or Reps have the Document Checklist to ensure the application is complete before sending. (as per my logic one can make an intelligent guess on the quantum of buffer application for a given NOC!)

 

[jigzyy]

sorry Wayne, CIC only do the 'completeness' check.. half of those application can't be incomplete. All applicants whether applying by self/ or Reps have the Document Checklist to ensure the application is complete before sending. (as per my logic one can make an intelligent guess on the quantum of buffer application for a given NOC!)

He was actually referring to a previous thought, that IF they release total number of applications received on daily / weekly basis instead of COMPLETE applications.

 

[Go-Canada-Go]

But then that is also a misleading total because they could have a stack of applications which may appear that the cap has been reached, but half those could be incomplete.

I think the only real way to do it is to count properly opened and completeness-checked applications.

However, I don't understand what is taking them so long to release some figures. Whereas they undoubtedly have had a large volume of initial intake they should have the figures for the applications they have opened so far.

If last year is anything to go by, even though the page is a .asp (Active Server Page) file, the totals I believe were manually entered and not pulled live from a database (we could tell this because occasionally the total at the bottom did not add up correctly, and computers are notoriously good at adding up numbers, hence why I think someone just manually adds the figures to the page).


It would take them all of maybe 20 minutes to add the figures to the page and upload the new .asp file to their site.

They currently advertise that this would be updated at least once per week, so to have not made a single release after 4 weeks is pretty poor.

Wayne.

I agree with you, WE ALL SHOULD CONTACT THE MINISTER on his email/post and even through twitter and we need to persuade them unless we do it, they will not pick up speed.....

 

[justafun]

Wait a minute guys, what makes us think that it's only the completed applications that are counted before a cap is reached and not the apps received by CIO !

 

[jigzyy]

Wait a minute guys, what makes us think that it's only the completed applications that are counted before a cap is reached and not the apps received by CIO !

Have you considered reading this page thoroughly?
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/complete-applications.asp