Let do something to Bill-24, don't wait and assume it will pass next year

[torontonight]

We can't assume it will pass next year and don't do anything. It will pass sooner than you think if keeping silent and everything goes smooth while the Bill on table.

Here is one of the things I just do. We can protest more in any other forms.


change.org/en-CA/petitions/withdraw-bill-c-24-honour-the-charter-or-rights-freedoms

 

[torontonight]

There were another petition on change.com about the Bill-24 as well. That have reached 6,000 signatures.

 

[Stoon1984]

Is this all you care - you want the bill to pass BUT after you apply?

as a future Canadian you should think long term and see if this bill is fair or not whether it passes today or after 10 years does not matter. the content of the bill is important. moreover, if you want to be a Canadian whether you apply today or tomorrow does not matter. you intent to call Canada home - right?

 

[torontonight]

I don't know you will think this way. In fact, Convervative Party has majority sits in parliament. They will pass the bill eventually. What I can see now is to postpone the bill by giving out our voice to supporting party the facts to present in the hearing. If you have any way to stop the bill to pass eventually, you can let this forum know. I will be the first one to join you.

 

[zardoz]

I don't know you will think this way. In fact, Convervative Party has majority sits in parliament. They will pass the bill eventually. What I can see now is to postpone the bill by giving out our voice to supporting party the facts to present in the hearing. If you have any way to stop the bill to pass eventually, you can let this forum know. I will be the first one to join you.

There are a lot of people that support this Bill... Don't assume that *everybody" disagrees with it.

 

[keesio]

There are a lot of people that support this Bill... Don't assume that *everybody" disagrees with it.

Agreed. All three major opposition parties support some parts of the bill to some degree. Of course the Conservatives are strongest in support. But both Liberals and NDP have said they also support some revision in the citizenship requirements (though to lesser degrees).

Why do all the parties support some overhaul? It's because the many of their constituents support an overhaul. We all know politicians will see which way the wind blows and jump on it.

The people to convince are the voters of Canada themselves, not the parties. Get their support and that will really change things.

 

[torontonight]

Agree too. The Bill will pass next month. How is that?

 

[Desert Lion]

In my personal opinion and many discussions with immigration expertise, the bill will be passed more soon than every one is imagining, the estimate for passing this bill will be before June 2014, the conservative have the majority and the other parties are not disagreeing with the bill as a whole but some parts of it and at the end of the day, conservatives will remove some of those controversies and the bill will pass.

For those who are enquiring On How oppositions are supporting it, it is simple, the conservative are too bad, they used magic words for patriotism, " strengthening of Canada immigration act" it means any one wants to oppose this bill is intending to make Canada weak, conservatives are using immigration as a Trojan for their next elections

 

[surgi]

I think in term of political language when we say (postpone) is considered as an acceptable language between parties. This is much better than to say (Cancel ) it,because this will be considered as defeat for the party which trying to introduce it o the parliament. They are defending the BILL whether it is correct or wrong because it is a political issue. Even as one of our colleagues here said that Harber will give orders to his members in the parliament to vote for the Bill,even he knows that soem of those members depend on the vote of so many previous PRs. Both new citizens and old ones are afraid from the language and attitude of the Bill,becuase today it will affect us and tomorrow there wll be other issues in the same way. Do not forget that this Bill is based on the behaviour of some previous PRs who already got citizenship and did some mistakes. It was fairly enough to uncover some cases and tell everybody the law will take actions aginst them. The bill in fact punish the future citizens not those very little ones who committed these errors. It devalue the new citizens and will create discrimination between old and new citizens. I think it will creat APARTHIDE in Canada,citizens who have the rights and others who has not!!!! Please sign this petition it is good one!!!

 

[chakrab]

i honestly don't get what's the real issue with the bill. why are people opposed to the bill? just because they have to stay 2 more years in canada to apply for citizenship? i mean aren't we all planning to reside here much more than that? currently it takes 2-3 years to process the citizenship. which means after PR, on average it takes close to 4-5 years to become citizenship at this point. if the bill does bring the processing timeline down to 1 year, i don't see much of a difference.

i am really interested to know why people don't want to wait for couple more years. is it because they want to leave the country as soon as they get a passport? don't want to pay for visa when they visit other countries?

 

[AcerAcer]

We can't assume it will pass next year and don't do anything. It will pass sooner than you think if keeping silent and everything goes smooth while the Bill on table.

Here is one of the things I just do. We can protest more in any other forms.


change.org/en-CA/petitions/withdraw-bill-c-24-honour-the-charter-or-rights-freedoms

http://www.change.org/en-CA/petitions/withdraw-bill-c-24-honour-the-charter-or-rights-freedoms

 

[keesio]

i honestly don't get what's the real issue with the bill. why are people opposed to the bill? just because they have to stay 2 more years in canada to apply for citizenship? i mean aren't we all planning to reside here much more than that? currently it takes 2-3 years to process the citizenship. which means after PR, on average it takes close to 4-5 years to become citizenship at this point. if the bill does bring the processing timeline down to 1 year, i don't see much of a difference.

i am really interested to know why people don't want to wait for couple more years. is it because they want to leave the country as soon as they get a passport? don't want to pay for visa when they visit other countries?

I don't have any issue with that part of the bill.

Really the only part of the bill I have an issue with is the one where they will remove the ability to count pre-PR time in Canada towards residency requirements at 50%. I benefited from the ability to do that since I was in Canada for many years before becoming a PR. I feel that if you are a legal resident, paying a lot of taxes and so forth, that time should count for something. It makes sense. To take that away is IMHO unfair. Even though this new bill would not affect me since I am a citizen now, I feel the need to voice my opinion on that part of the bill. Everything else in the bill I can tolerate.

 

[chakrab]

I don't have any issue with that part of the bill.

Really the only part of the bill I have an issue with is the one where they will remove the ability to count pre-PR time in Canada towards residency requirements at 50%. I benefited from the ability to do that since I was in Canada for many years before becoming a PR. I feel that if you are a legal resident, paying a lot of taxes and so forth, that time should count for something. It makes sense. To take that away is IMHO unfair. Even though this new bill would not affect me since I am a citizen now, I feel the need to voice my opinion on that part of the bill. Everything else in the bill I can tolerate.

i have stayed in canada for 10 years before PR and got only 1 year out of it. i know people still want it, but in the end we lose out a lot in the current system. i rather have a fast processing time. a year more doesn't really matter if the govt can assure me that the processing will be done in 6-8 months. also make a better system to note entry-exit dates. may be have a separate document that PRs can stamp so the whole residency confusion is gone.

people are not happy with the current wait times and confusion related to the application. something needs to be done. an immigration bill is long overdue, just not with everything in the current bill.

fortunately or unfortunately only ones worried about the bill are the ones applying for citizenship. most citizens, surprising the ones who can vote, support the bill.

 

[keesio]

i have stayed in canada for 10 years before PR and got only 1 year out of it. i know people still want it, but in the end we lose out a lot in the current system. i rather have a fast processing time. a year more doesn't really matter if the govt can assure me that the processing will be done in 6-8 months. also make a better system to note entry-exit dates. may be have a separate document that PRs can stamp so the whole residency confusion is gone.

people are not happy with the current wait times and confusion related to the application. something needs to be done. an immigration bill is long overdue, just not with everything in the current bill.

fortunately or unfortunately only ones worried about the bill are the ones applying for citizenship. most citizens, surprising the ones who can vote, support the bill.

Yeah I know that you can get 1 year MAX our of it. I was working in Canada for 9 years before PR myself. I guess it is the principal of it to me. Living here and paying taxes for 9 years, I sure felt like a resident. But then to not have any of that time at all count at all... to lump me in with someone completely new to Canada... didn't seem right. It didn't matter to me in terms of logistics - I could have easily waited. It is more of a sentiment thing.

They can speed things up and still keep that part of the old system.

And yes, most citizens do support the bill. The flip side is even many new citizens, ones that just got it. Why? People like it when what they have gets more valuable. By making obtaining a citizenship harder, it makes the value of their citizenship more valuable. I actually was discussing why i dislike part of the new bill to someone who also recently became a new citizen. He was for the new bill. He said that the fact that it is harder to become a citizen makes his worth go up in his home country and his parents have better negotiating power when they look for a bride for him (Sounds a bit ridiculous in his thinking but maybe he's right).

 

[vic48912]

Does anyone know if the new massive omnibus budget bill Harper is trying to ram through parliament have anything to speed up processing time or how it affect immigrants?