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scorpiof3

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Jul 30, 2009
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Hi guys,

I would like advice from the experts with regards to my unique case. I have applied in categories, FSW and Investor program. I enrolled under the banks investor program system, their law firm who handles their immigration portion, assures me of a success rate of 100%, with guaranteed money back if visa is not issued.

Now, on my own I have applied for the FSW program, months later, I also applied for Investor program using the banks system. They are aware of my pending FSW application and noted that it takes longer while Investor program will be quicker route.

Due to the new system under the FSW, my application is now fast tracked and is at the last stage of approval waiting for passport request. I have now asked from the bank and their lawyer for my full refund due to the withdrawal of Investor program application and below is their reply. Are they correct is saying that this is normal? Can I insist on full refund base on their verbal assurance? Any assistance will be appreciated.

"The visa office's advice in your case is similar to that of some of our other clients who had decided to hedge their bets and apply concurrently under the Skilled Worker (SW) and Investor (Inv) categories. (i.e. close to approval under one category, the visa office will request the applicant to withdraw under the other category. This is a normal procedure.)
Due to the nature of processing of SW and Inv cases worldwide, it is not possible to predict at the outset at any particular post which category will, in the end, be processed faster by the visa office. That is why you and some of our other Bank clients have made a decision to, in effect; buy "insurance" at the outset.
As for your request for a refund of your deposit, please be advised that, according to our accounting records, our law firm's various timekeepers have spent approx. $8,400 in professional time on your file ($5,000 billed from the retainer advanced by bank and approx. $3,400 in unbilled time). As we have personally met with you on a number of occasions regarding your application and our law firm staff has spent time preparing your application to the visa office, we would suggest that it would not be fair to our legal assistants, in particular, to write off all $8,400 in professional time that has been expended.
However, that having been said, we are pleased for you that the visa office is disposed to approve you under SW more expeditiously and, based on goodwill, we would suggest billing only $3,000 out of $8,400 in professional time and refunding $2,000 of the amount already billed by the bank.
As the bank still holds a balance of $5,000 as a deposit, you would, in the end, receive $7,000 back from the bank.
(We would suggest that this is a good and fair result as the great majority of other Bank clients in your position would not receive anything back, on the basis that withdrawal by the Applicant under the Inv category would be deemed to be a unilateral withdrawal by the Immigrant under the terms of the Retainer and Fee Agreement.)
Hopefully, you will agree and I look forward to your confirmation of same in order that may prepare and send to you the refund of $7,000.
It was a pleasure to be of service to you and your family."
 

PMM

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Jun 30, 2005
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scorpiof3 said:
Hi guys,

I would like advice from the experts with regards to my unique case. I have applied in categories, FSW and Investor program. I enrolled under the banks investor program system, their law firm who handles their immigration portion, assures me of a success rate of 100%, with guaranteed money back if visa is not issued.

Now, on my own I have applied for the FSW program, months later, I also applied for Investor program using the banks system. They are aware of my pending FSW application and noted that it takes longer while Investor program will be quicker route.

Due to the new system under the FSW, my application is now fast tracked and is at the last stage of approval waiting for passport request. I have now asked from the bank and their lawyer for my full refund due to the withdrawal of Investor program application and below is their reply. Are they correct is saying that this is normal? Can I insist on full refund base on their verbal assurance? Any assistance will be appreciated.

"The visa office's advice in your case is similar to that of some of our other clients who had decided to hedge their bets and apply concurrently under the Skilled Worker (SW) and Investor (Inv) categories. (i.e. close to approval under one category, the visa office will request the applicant to withdraw under the other category. This is a normal procedure.)
Due to the nature of processing of SW and Inv cases worldwide, it is not possible to predict at the outset at any particular post which category will, in the end, be processed faster by the visa office. That is why you and some of our other Bank clients have made a decision to, in effect; buy "insurance" at the outset.
As for your request for a refund of your deposit, please be advised that, according to our accounting records, our law firm's various timekeepers have spent approx. $8,400 in professional time on your file ($5,000 billed from the retainer advanced by bank and approx. $3,400 in unbilled time). As we have personally met with you on a number of occasions regarding your application and our law firm staff has spent time preparing your application to the visa office, we would suggest that it would not be fair to our legal assistants, in particular, to write off all $8,400 in professional time that has been expended.
However, that having been said, we are pleased for you that the visa office is disposed to approve you under SW more expeditiously and, based on goodwill, we would suggest billing only $3,000 out of $8,400 in professional time and refunding $2,000 of the amount already billed by the bank.
As the bank still holds a balance of $5,000 as a deposit, you would, in the end, receive $7,000 back from the bank.
(We would suggest that this is a good and fair result as the great majority of other Bank clients in your position would not receive anything back, on the basis that withdrawal by the Applicant under the Inv category would be deemed to be a unilateral withdrawal by the Immigrant under the terms of the Retainer and Fee Agreement.)
Hopefully, you will agree and I look forward to your confirmation of same in order that may prepare and send to you the refund of $7,000.
It was a pleasure to be of service to you and your family."
You used their services, they don't work for free so you could ask for an accounting, but in the end you will have to pay something for their time So it costs you $3000 to hedge your bets rather than $125K with no return or $400K for 5 years, with no interest.

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scorpiof3

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Jul 30, 2009
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So what you are saying that verbal assurance does not count?? If someone, especially a lawyer gave a verbal assurance that would not count??
 

iateapple

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Jul 15, 2009
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I think assurance was if your Investor case is processed and visa is not issued. In your case you are withdrawing your investor application because of your fast tracked FSW application.

Verbal assurances do not count anyways. You are lucky getting something back anways:)
 

PMM

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iateapple said:
I think assurance was if your Investor case is processed and visa is not issued. In your case you are withdrawing your investor application because of your fast tracked FSW application.

Verbal assurances do not count anyways. You are lucky getting something back anways:)
As the saying goes, "a verbal assurance isn't worth the paper it is written on"
The OP should look at this way, s/he hired someone to do a job, they started on the job, but s/he decided to do the job him/herself. So s/he still has to pay the first person something for their work. Actually lucky to get anything back.

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scorpiof3

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Jul 30, 2009
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Just to make it clear, in June 2008 I have applied on my own under the FSW program. Then in Sept 2008, I enrolled in the investor program through the Bank's program, I was hesistant to use this route but since I got a verbal assurance that 1: Investor program is faster and 2: Of their refund policy since they are banking on their success rate. The amount of $10,000.00 is termed deposit that is part of the $120K that will eventually be ask once the Investor program is approve. Why deposit? Reason they gave me is that to ensure that the applicant is committed to the program.

Now, when I met them, I did inquire about the new process being done under the FSW and ask how will this impact on new applications? they assured me that it will take longer for the new process to kick in since there is a lot of back log and that CIC needs to clear the back log first before any new application will be processed. Having read some of the FSW applicants in this forum it is not the case. Also, the fact that having two application running con-currently will not affect my application.

Now that CIC-Singapore requested me to cancel my Investor program due to the fact that they are now in the final stage of processing my FSW and cannot proceed with an open application which is the Investor program. So in essence, I had no option but to withdraw the application base on the immigration request not on my own decision.

Back then I was not yet familiar with this forum, had I known this forum earlier, I would not have enrolled since the FSW program have been revised to facilitate faster process. My thought is the law firm should have been forthcoming in saying that the system have change and that it is not as the old process. Guess what I'm getting here is, to have me signed up, they were not completely honest as well.

I do agree that there is work done, however, the amount they are asking is not commensurate for the type of work that was done, I know this bec I myself did the FSW program and submitted on my own the documentation, so I know what work it entails.

Guess I will ask them for a breakdown to get a more accurate accounting of work done and see what is fair compensation.

Thanks for all the feedback.....