July draw predictions

[Edric13]

I'm not sure if I understand your logic. Are you saying that if you're not Canadian educated, that's an excuse to not get a skilled job in Canada?

Gee, I wonder how and thousands of other CEC-eligible applicants found good jobs in Canada.....

No employers obviously prefer someone with Canadian education, no doubt about it.

 

[moscatojuices]

No employers obviously prefer someone with Canadian education, no doubt about it.

Why do you say "obviously"? What makes you so sure that when selecting from a number of resumes of suitable candidates for a job, a Canadian employer would prefer someone with a Canadian education whereas another candidate may have a superior skills/experience, Canadian work experience + foreign work experience (that's a huge perspective benefit), and no Canadian education?

 

[Edric13]

Why do you say "obviously"? What makes you so sure that when selecting from a number of resumes of suitable candidates for a job, a Canadian employer would prefer someone with a Canadian education whereas another candidate may have a superior skills/experience, Canadian work experience + foreign work experience (that's a huge perspective benefit), and no Canadian education?

My experience,ymmv

 

[moscatojuices]

My experience,ymmv

My experience has been the opposite - Canadian employers love someone with both Canadian + foreign work experience even if they have zero Canadian education.

 

[aommnd]

I'm not sure if I understand your logic. Are you saying that if you're not Canadian educated, that's an excuse to not get a skilled job in Canada?

Gee, I wonder how and thousands of other CEC-eligible applicants found good jobs in Canada.....

Foreign experience is nullable unless its from the US, the UK or some other well known first world country like Singapore.
The employers here clearly don't care about experiences from places like India which is obvious as they will give someone with 5-6 years of Indian work experience an entry level role here because they can claim "the experience is not on the same level."

For most immigrants here, this probably doesn't apply. Most people looking to get CEC won't have US, UK, Singapore, ... work experience. Their experience from 3rd world countries will be counted as 0, its fairly evident once you look at people with 5-10 years of foreign (3rd world) experience getting downleveled to an entry level role.

 

[moscatojuices]

Foreign experience is nullable unless its from the US, the UK or some other well known first world country like Singapore.
The employers here clearly don't care about experiences from places like India which is obvious as they will give someone with 5-6 years of Indian work experience an entry level role here because they can claim "the experience is not on the same level."

Agreed and it's generally true. India has a high potential workforce, not necessarily a high quality one. They get better training and "equalized" into first-world/Canadian standards when they come here and obtain local work experience. I definitely would automatically doubt the quality of someone's skills if they came from India versus the UK (if both candidates lack Canadian experience). That being said you have to admire Indians, they are tenacious and will do anything it takes to prove themselves.

For most immigrants here, this probably doesn't apply. Most people looking to get CEC won't have US, UK, Singapore, ... work experience. Their experience from 3rd world countries will be counted as 0, its fairly evident once you look at people with 5-10 years of foreign (3rd world) experience getting downleveled to an entry level role.

I'm Australian and I was down-levelled to an entry level role. I went from AUD$180k to CAD$30k. But I'm determined, I'm proving myself and jumped to CAD$75k in 8 months and got an offer for CAD$100k last month. But I have very strong skills and confidence from the first world, if I don't get back to my original salary, then I'll start a business and/or exploit my salary potential in Australia when doing job interviews in Canada after PR.

 

[aommnd]

I'm Australian and I was down-levelled to an entry level role. I went from AUD$180k to CAD$30k. But I'm determined, I'm proving myself and jumped to CAD$75k in 8 months and got an offer for CAD$100k last month. But I have very strong skills and confidence from the first world, if I don't get back to my original salary, then I'll start a business and/or exploit my salary potential in Australia when doing job interviews in Canada after PR.

My guy.... with all due respect.... why???
That is a massive downgrade, any reason why you wanted to move to Canada? That is a pretty big opportunity cost considering Australia is as good as Canada (if not better by some measures)

 

[moscatojuices]

My guy.... with all due respect.... why???
That is a massive downgrade, any reason why you wanted to move to Canada? That is a pretty big opportunity cost considering Australia is as good as Canada (if not better by some measures)

Because Canada is a far better place to live than Australia - I hate that country. It's racist and full of pathetic and boring people. Yes I took a big pay cut, but I invested very aggressively for 10+ years and fully paid off my properties/have big savings so I don't have to worry about money.

I don't for a second regret quitting my high paying job in Australia to come to Canada. My quality of life is better than I've had it - meeting friends, girls, all the activities/hiking, better beer/food, better lifestyle, plenty of lakes, Canadian values, having the pleasure of being able to walk in Vancouver/Toronto for work and pleasure, it's priceless. And hopefully soon I can do all those things as a PR.

In Australia I had very few friends who would hang out once every few months and I found it nearly impossible for girls to even say hi to me (Australian girls are massive racists and only want to date rugby players with that filthy accent. Plus they want you to pay for everything). I was extremely lonely and unsatisfied.

If you go into regional areas in Australia, people look at you funny and keep giving you dirty looks. Here in Canada, they give me welcome presents and make very polite conversation. I mean, is there even a competition?

Here I have a wonderful common-law Canadian partner who pays her fair share of bills and friends who call me every week to do something, access to green spaces and lake areas with very low population (in Australia you can't even find parking at a secluded beach, it's FULL of people).

Money is important. Quality of life is more important.

 

[SatNight]

I'm not sure if you're reading what I'm actually posting!!

There are plenty of skilled people WHO DON'T FIND SKILLED JOBS IN CANADA. Don't get me wrong, they still become valuable immigrants as they're doing some work, but not the work that they based their application on. There are plenty of doctors, IT specialists and engineers driving taxis for a living and hustling - and that's all they do. Particularly when it comes to FSW, the system fails to assess any type of adaptability, resilience or grit of applicants in finding the jobs in Canada they worked in back in the country they left.

I understand you very well. But people who drive taxis, regardless of education, do not have a skilled work experience in Canada. = They cannot apply for CEC. Being eligible for CEC means that you have proven to be able to find a skilled work in Canada.

I agree that FSW is a different thing, so this is why I said that NOC might make sense for FSW, but not for CEC candidates. Because CEC candidates have demonstrated their ability to find skilled work in Canada. Not to mention that many currently work in those occupations, so not getting a PR would mean them having to leave their jobs. And no immigrant would be eligible for those because those are not selected NOC codes. Which would create a mess, imo.

 

[SatNight]

Foreign experience is nullable unless its from the US, the UK or some other well known first world country like Singapore.
The employers here clearly don't care about experiences from places like India which is obvious as they will give someone with 5-6 years of Indian work experience an entry level role here because they can claim "the experience is not on the same level."

For most immigrants here, this probably doesn't apply. Most people looking to get CEC won't have US, UK, Singapore, ... work experience. Their experience from 3rd world countries will be counted as 0, its fairly evident once you look at people with 5-10 years of foreign (3rd world) experience getting downleveled to an entry level role.

While it's true that some CEC candidates also have foreign work experience, what is crucial is that they have Canadian skilled experience. This gives them an advantage in the eyes of the employers. Canadian education is also a plus, but the point is that CEC candidates have demonstrated that they can find a skilled job in Canada and work there for at least a year. That counts a lot for the employers, and IRCC knows it.

 

[moscatojuices]

I understand you very well. But people who drive taxis, regardless of education, do not have a skilled work experience in Canada. = They cannot apply for CEC. Being eligible for CEC means that you have proven to be able to find a skilled work in Canada.

I agree that FSW is a different thing, so this is why I said that NOC might make sense for FSW, but not for CEC candidates. Because CEC candidates have demonstrated their ability to find skilled work in Canada. Not to mention that many currently work in those occupations, so not getting a PR would mean them having to leave their jobs. And no immigrant would be eligible for those because those are not selected NOC codes. Which would create a mess, imo.

Ohhhhhh I see your point now, sorry. Thank you for clarifying. Makes sense. Good points.

 

[GandiBaat]

CEC graduates aren't necessarily Canadian educated. Many are not. This is also a common immigration stream for those here on various closed work permits.

The CEC program has no Canadian education requirement. It's for people who have at least one year of skilled work experience in Canada.

Indeed!
I have no Canadian education but I am a PR who got through CEC.

CEC is NOT Canadian Education Class
CEC is Canadian EXPERIENCE Class

 

[GandiBaat]

Foreign experience is nullable unless its from the US, the UK or some other well known first world country like Singapore.
The employers here clearly don't care about experiences from places like India which is obvious as they will give someone with 5-6 years of Indian work experience an entry level role here because they can claim "the experience is not on the same level."

False. It is highly dependent upon who was your employer and what was your field.

My education and experience was completely from India and I had EXACTLY same position here.

I came on ICT work permit and converted it later into CEC based PR. This is very much a viable way and I will recommend people to take up this route if they can. You will skip job search pain in Canada this way and will start with your Canadian experience in your field from day 1.

 

[GandiBaat]

Being eligible for CEC means that you have proven to be able to find a skilled work in Canada.

CEC has a very well defined eligibility criteria. It is not exactly "able to find a skilled work" but having atleast 1 year of skilled work experience in Canada in last 3 years (Plus few more conditions, refer to canada.ca website). After that you have to face CRS rank for EE.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/eligibility/canadian-experience-class.html

 

[GandiBaat]

No employers obviously prefer someone with Canadian education, no doubt about it.

Nothing of this sort, I regularly recruit on behalf of my employer, in Canada (ie I interview people). I have never ever taken a second look at where they got their degree from. Mostly degree is hygiene. You need to have one from a decent place to qualify. Afterwards, it matters very less. Rest of your profile has more weightage including how you perform in interviews.

That being said, each employer can have its own criteria. Some small organizations tend to be very picky about whom they employ in terms of their national origin and where they got their education from. Bigger corporate usually do not care. Government jobs are a totally different beast. If your profession is however regulated (Civil Engineering, Chemical engineering) its a totally different story.