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JOB SCENARIO FOR ENGINEERS IN CANADA- 4to5 YEARS DOWN THE LINE

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Hello everybody,

Been reading discussions in various forums regarding the recent trends in Canada vis-a-vis jobs for Immigrant students and their settling down there.A recent post on Yahoo also highlighted the plight of IMG's (international medical graduates) in Canada and that they were taking up odd jobs to survive.
Have also noticed that the SOL is getting more choosy, to the extent of doing away with certain important professions as well.Many on this site have also commented on the travails of finding the right job, although they have graduated from Canada itself.Undoubtedly Canada is a lovely country to live in,but with the recent trends that are being discussed I have a few questions to ask:

1) What is the present scenario for international students pursuing engineering especially mechanical engineering?
2) Are these young international graduates being absorbed readily by good Canadian firms?
3) What in your good opinions will be the likely future of engineering students graduating after 4 - 5 years?
4)Do they have to be referred by someone and do they run from pillar to post in order to get a good job as an engineer?
5)Will student graduates of engineering be subject to the see-saw of immigrant laws in coming years?
6) Do co-op students get hired faster or more easily than those from the regular stream?
7) Given a choice, should an IB student complete his engineering graduation from India or then Canada? The choice would be between Manipal Institute of Technology vs University of Victoria B.C.
8) If the aim is to settle down in this great and lovely country Canada,would under graduation from India and then post graduation from Canada be the proper choice ?

I keep reading about so many immigrants having studied in and worked,lived for 13-15 year's in countries like Canada,Australia,USA finally returning back to India. Reasons given are almost the same-own country,roots,missing out on family, ageing parents, booming economy of India (?),etc.,etc.

Am at the cross roads of this very important decision of graduate studies and career. Need your sincere and good advise on the questions asked.

Thank you everyone and best regards.
 

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Hello bro,
Considering the job scenario in canada vs India its always better option for Canada...Because competing with 1 billion and competing with 22 million certainly makes sense!! Canada is a land of opportunities!
All the best!! hope it would have answered your questions!
 

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Thanks for the advise Dr.Raj. Really appreciate it. Looking forward to answers for my other questions, though these are indeed quite a few.Any views regarding MIT vs UVic?
 

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VOB said:
Hello everybody,

Been reading discussions in various forums regarding the recent trends in Canada vis-a-vis jobs for Immigrant students and their settling down there.A recent post on Yahoo also highlighted the plight of IMG's (international medical graduates) in Canada and that they were taking up odd jobs to survive.
Have also noticed that the SOL is getting more choosy, to the extent of doing away with certain important professions as well.Many on this site have also commented on the travails of finding the right job, although they have graduated from Canada itself.Undoubtedly Canada is a lovely country to live in,but with the recent trends that are being discussed I have a few questions to ask:

1) What is the present scenario for international students pursuing engineering especially mechanical engineering?
2) Are these young international graduates being absorbed readily by good Canadian firms?
3) What in your good opinions will be the likely future of engineering students graduating after 4 - 5 years?
4)Do they have to be referred by someone and do they run from pillar to post in order to get a good job as an engineer?
5)Will student graduates of engineering be subject to the see-saw of immigrant laws in coming years?
6) Do co-op students get hired faster or more easily than those from the regular stream?
7) Given a choice, should an IB student complete his engineering graduation from India or then Canada? The choice would be between Manipal Institute of Technology vs University of Victoria B.C.
8) If the aim is to settle down in this great and lovely country Canada,would under graduation from India and then post graduation from Canada be the proper choice ?

I keep reading about so many immigrants having studied in and worked,lived for 13-15 year's in countries like Canada,Australia,USA finally returning back to India. Reasons given are almost the same-own country,roots,missing out on family, ageing parents, booming economy of India (?),etc.,etc.

Am at the cross roads of this very important decision of graduate studies and career. Need your sincere and good advise on the questions asked.

Thank you everyone and best regards.

1) What is the present scenario for international students pursuing engineering especially mechanical engineering?
present scenario formechanical engg is nt good as many students opt for mech eng there so the vacancy percentage is 0.83% where as for comuter software enggineer the vacancy percentage is 1.08%
2) Are these young international graduates being absorbed readily by good Canadian firms?
With the current changes in rules, canadian firms have to show tothe canadian govt that they have recruited a canadian or a PR holder before they hire an international student. Hence the rules makes it a bit hard for us to find employement. New rule is effective from 1st june 2014.
3) What in your good opinions will be the likely future of engineering students graduating after 4 - 5 years?
Engineers will have less job opurtunities in future with many going for engg than other branches. Financier or economist will be in the shortage. Many are opting for mech. engg. there bcz of the salary is commands, highest than ever.
4)Do they have to be referred by someone and do they run from pillar to post in order to get a good job as an engineer?
They don't have to be prefered but you have to give reference hence u have to have connections there to land yourself a job.
5)Will student graduates of engineering be subject to the see-saw of immigrant laws in coming years?
laws are becoming more twisted in canada with higher number of immigrants going there to study and ultimate aim of settleing there. so yes in future i think canadian govt. will restrict on number of visas to be granted. Even this new rules restricts the no. of visa's to be granted.
6) Do co-op students get hired faster or more easily than those from the regular stream?
you will need co-op bcz there in canada you will need canadian experience to land a job and co-op will give you the canadian experience
7) Given a choice, should an IB student complete his engineering graduation from India or then Canada? The choice would be between Manipal Institute of Technology vs University of Victoria B.C.
Manipal is reputated institute in india and this decision is on you.
8) If the aim is to settle down in this great and lovely country Canada,would under graduation from India and then post graduation from Canada be the proper choice ?
there is no proper choice, It is also an option and from the finance point of view it is the best choice. Or else u cn come to canada for undergrads bt keep in mind, that degree is not recognisable in india.


Hope all your questions are answered
 

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Thank you Lucifer for answering all my questions.Have got a lot of insight into the points that were troubling me. Am shocked to learn that the undergrad degree from Canada is not recognised in India.Why would this be the case? I was under the impression that a canadian engineering degree is considered much higher than that of most countries.Also one more thing please- so if one does Mechanical Engineering from Canada itself and that too a co-op programme, then one stands a brighter chance of getting employed by firms in Canada-right?? Work permits and PR automatically follow?
Having graduated from Canada itself would not therefore hinder my prospects vis-a-vis immigrant rules, I hope.

Thanks and regards
 

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Hi Lucifer, all my questions are related to and keeping in mind international/indian students studying and graduating from a Canadian University itself.Hence, having graduated in mechanical engineering from Canada itself, what would the job scenarios be for us after 4-5 years as also the effect of changing immigrant laws.Thanks once again.

Your views too please Dr.Raj 91.
 

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@lucifer_2510 : for the below point

2) Are these young international graduates being absorbed readily by good Canadian firms?
With the current changes in rules, canadian firms have to show tothe canadian govt that they have recruited a canadian or a PR holder before they hire an international student. Hence the rules makes it a bit hard for us to find employement. New rule is effective from 1st june 2014.

Just to confirm does this LMO apply to those whose PGWP is expiring or even for those who have got fresh PGWP..
 

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b.arvind87 said:
@ lucifer_2510 : for the below point

2) Are these young international graduates being absorbed readily by good Canadian firms?
With the current changes in rules, canadian firms have to show tothe canadian govt that they have recruited a canadian or a PR holder before they hire an international student. Hence the rules makes it a bit hard for us to find employement. New rule is effective from 1st june 2014.

Just to confirm does this LMO apply to those whose PGWP is expiring or even for those who have got fresh PGWP..
No no, just for those whose PGWP is expiring or will expire in future. This rule is effective from 1st june 2014. Have a god look at them sir, and you will understand.... :)
 

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VOB said:
Thank you Lucifer for answering all my questions.Have got a lot of insight into the points that were troubling me. Am shocked to learn that the undergrad degree from Canada is not recognised in India.Why would this be the case? I was under the impression that a canadian engineering degree is considered much higher than that of most countries.Also one more thing please- so if one does Mechanical Engineering from Canada itself and that too a co-op programme, then one stands a brighter chance of getting employed by firms in Canada-right?? Work permits and PR automatically follow?
Having graduated from Canada itself would not therefore hinder my prospects vis-a-vis immigrant rules, I hope.

Thanks and regards
Yes undergrad degree from canada is not valid in india and vice versa.
look mate, if u r under the impression that u wil get job quickly then do not go to canada as you will struggle and might end of comming back to india. I have seen many cases like that man. I guess in future they will restrict immigrants in large numbers. I have met three or four guys in this forum who struggled there and ended up comming back. So think before u do and always have a plan B.
 

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VOB said:
Thanks Lucifer.Thanks a lot for the clarity.
welxome mate
 

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CHECK SOME OF THE NEW RULES HERE

Changes to the International Student Program

New rules that will reduce the potential for fraud or misuse of the program while protecting Canada’s international reputation for high-quality education and improving services to genuine students will come into force on June 1, 2014. The new rules will:

limit the issuance of study permits to applicants who will be studying at a designated learning institution, including institutions that are designated by provinces and territories on the basis of meeting minimum standards;
require students to actively pursue their studies while in Canada; and
allow full-time international students enrolled at designated institutions in certain programs to work part time off campus and full time during scheduled school breaks without a work permit.
Read the full text of the new regulations.

Studying while in Canada
As of June 1, 2014, all study permit holders in Canada will need to actively pursue studies. This means that:

if you hold a study permit, you must remain enrolled and make reasonable and timely progress towards completing your program; and
failing to do so could lead to your removal from Canada.
Your educational institution will report to CIC on your continued enrolment and academic status. You may also be asked by an immigration officer to provide evidence of your continued enrolment and academic status.

If you are no longer a student but wish to remain in Canada as a visitor, please see Visit Canada.

Note: Under the new rules, your study permit will become invalid 90 days after you have completed your study program. If you switch to a shorter-term program or finish your studies early, your study permit will expire 90 days after your study program has been completed. Your program is considered complete when you receive written notification of program completion (for example, a transcript or an official letter) from your institution or once you obtain your degree, diploma or certificate. This does not apply to you if your study permit application was received before June 1, 2014, or if you were issued a study permit before June 1, 2014.

To apply for a post-graduation work permit, please see Stay in Canada after graduation.

Attending a designated learning institution
To apply for a study permit on or after June 1, 2014, you will need to have a letter of acceptance from a designated learning institution.

Each province and territory in Canada is responsible for designating schools at the post-secondary level that may enrol international students on or after June 1.
A list of designated learning institutions at the post-secondary level will be available on the CIC website by June 1, 2014.
If your study permit application is received on or after June 1 and your letter of acceptance is from an institution that is not designated for international students, your application will be refused.
All primary and secondary institutions in Canada are automatically designated but will not appear on the designated learning institution list. If you are applying for your child to study in Canada at the primary or secondary level, please see Get a study permit.
If your application for a study permit is received before June 1, 2014, and your letter of acceptance is from an institution that is not designated for international students:

your application will be processed and you may still pursue your program of study at that institution for the duration of your study permit; and
you will be able to renew your study permit in order to complete your program, but not beyond June 1, 2017.
If you were issued a study permit before June 1 and are studying at an institution that is not designated for international students:

you will be able to pursue the program of study that you are enrolled in for the duration of your current permit; and
you will be able to renew your study permit in order to complete your program, but not beyond June 1, 2017.
If the institution you are studying at loses its status as a designated learning institution after you have already been issued a study permit:

you will be able to pursue the program of study that you are enrolled in for the duration of your current permit; and
you will be able to renew your study permit in order to complete your program, but not beyond June 1, 2017.
Applying for a study permit on or after June 1, 2014
To apply for a study permit on or after June 1, 2014, you will need to identify the institution by its designated learning institution number on the application form. This number can be found on the designated learning institution list, which will be published on the CIC website by June 1, 2014.

You must also meet the standard eligibility criteria for a study permit.

You must prove that you have enough money to pay for your:

tuition fees;
living expenses for yourself and any family members who come with you to Canada; and
return transportation for yourself and any family members who come with you to Canada.
You must be a law-abiding citizen with no criminal record and not be a risk to the security of Canada. You may have to provide a police certificate.

You must be in good health and willing to undergo a medical examination, if necessary.

You must satisfy an immigration officer that you will leave Canada at the end of your authorized stay.

Six months or less of study

A study permit is not needed if you want to take short-term courses or programs of study of six months or less. You may enrol in short-term programs at any learning institution, regardless of whether or not it is designated.

If, however, you would like to get a study permit for studies of six months or less, you must attend a designated learning institution.

If you are from a non-visa-exempt country, you must have a valid visitor visa.

Changing institutions: your responsibility
If you apply for a study permit on or after June 1, 2014, you must notify CIC via your MyCIC account when you are transferring from one designated learning institution to another, even if it is at the same level of study.

If you are thinking about changing your institution or your program, you need to ensure that you continue to meet the conditions of your study permit, as well as the conditions that allow you to work, should you wish to work during your studies.

Working off campus
New rules that take effect on June 1, 2014, make it easier for study permit holders to work off campus. Full-time students pursuing an academic, professional or vocational training program at a designated learning institution will be:

eligible to work off campus without a work permit;
allowed to work off campus for up to 20 hours per week during a regular academic session and full time during regularly scheduled breaks; and
able to work off campus immediately rather than waiting six months.
To be able to work in Canada, however, you must be registered and enrolled at your designated learning institution, and you must get a Social Insurance Number from Service Canada.

On June 1, 2014, if you hold a study permit and a work permit under the Off-Campus Work Permit Program, you may continue to work off campus under your existing Off-Campus Work Permit.

On June 1, 2014, if you hold a study permit and you have applied for but not yet received your Off-Campus Work Permit, you should wait for your work permit application to be processed and begin working off campus once you have received your Off-Campus Work Permit.

On June 1, 2014, if you hold a study permit but you have not yet applied for an Off-Campus Work Permit, you are authorized to work off campus without a work permit as long as you meet the eligibility requirements for working off campus.

If you apply for a study permit on or after June 1, 2014, the conditions relating to your eligibility to work off-campus will be written on your study permit.

In all scenarios, you must continue to meet the conditions of your study permit in order to remain eligible for off-campus work. If you are studying English or French as a second language (ESL/FSL), or participating in general interest or preparatory courses, you will not be eligible to work during your studies, unless you become eligible to apply for a work permit with a positive Labour Market Opinion from Employment and Social Development Canada.

It is your responsibility and your employer’s responsibility to ensure that you are eligible to work off campus without a work permit before you begin working. If you begin working off campus without meeting the eligibility requirements, you may be subject to enforcement action under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations.

Work as part of a co-op/internship program
New rules may affect your eligibility to work as part of a co-op or internship program:

Starting June 1, 2014, you will be able to work as part of a co-op or internship program only if the work is an essential part of an academic, vocational or professional training program offered by a designated learning institution.
To work as part of a co-op/internship program, you will need a co-op work permit that is separate from your study permit.
If you are studying English or French as a second language (ESL/FSL), or participating in general interest or preparatory courses, you will not be eligible to work during your studies, unless you become eligible to apply for a work permit with a positive Labour Market Opinion from Employment and Social Development Canada.
On June 1, 2014, if you already have a co-op work permit and are not studying at a designated learning institution, you will be able to:

work for the duration of your current permit; and
renew your co-op work permit in order to complete your program, but not beyond June 1, 2017.
On June 1, 2014, if you already have a co-op work permit and are enrolled in a program that does not qualify as an academic, vocational or professional training program, you will be able to:

work for the duration of your current permit; and
renew your co-op work permit in order to complete your program, but not beyond June 1, 2017.
If your application for a co-op work permit is received before June 1, 2014, you do not need to be enrolled in an academic, vocational or professional training program offered by a designated learning institution to receive the work permit. You may also renew your co-op work permit in order to complete your program, but not beyond June 1, 2017.

Applying for a study permit from within Canada
If you are in Canada as a visitor and wish to apply for a study permit to attend a designated learning institution, you may be able to do so from within Canada. As of June 1, 2014, certain foreign nationals may apply for and receive a study permit from within Canada. These include:

minor children studying at the primary or secondary level;
exchange or visiting students; and
students who have completed a short-term course or program of study that is a condition for acceptance at a designated institution.
For more information on applying for a study permit from within Canada, please see Get a study permit.



Changes to the Temporary Foreign Worker (TFW) Program : new measures for Canadian employers and foreign workers
There are two kinds of foreign workers in Canada – those who need a Labour Market Impact Assessment (LMIA), and those who are LMIA-exempt.

An LMIA shows whether Canadians are available, or if there is a need for a foreign worker. There are however, situations where foreign workers do not need an LMIA. This may be the result of free-trade agreements such as NAFTA or youth exchanges programs, for example, where there are reciprocal agreements that benefit Canada.

As a result of the Temporary Foreign Worker Program review, a number of changes have been introduced for foreign workers in Canada and the Canadian employers who are hiring them.

Among the changes, LMIA-exempt foreign workers will now be part of the newly named International Mobility Program. This will distinguish them from foreign workers who need a LMIA to enter Canada through the Temporary Foreign Worker Program.

Here’s an overview of other changes coming, that will ensure both programs continue to benefit Canadians:

Making employers of LMIA-exempt foreign nationals (with employer-specific work permits) more accountable by requiring them to submit their job offer to Citizenship and Immigration;
Implementing a robust employer monitoring system that will see thousands of employers of LMIA-exempt foreign nationals inspected each year;
Introducing new fees for LMIA-exempt employer-specific work permits and for most open work permit applicants; and
Adjusting the rules for several specific exemptions, such as the LMIA exemption for intra-company transferees with specialized knowledge, to ensure they continue to operate as intended and in Canada’s best interests.
 

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Thanks for the time and inputs Lucifer.The number of changes---phew!!! The only positive side this far--as Dr.Raj mentioned----Competing with 22 million as compared to 1 billion!!! Besides perhaps, clean air, surrounds, food, overall quality of life (though some settled there call it self centric and less social).

best regards
 

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Yes undergrad degree from canada is not valid in india and vice versa.

look mate, if u r under the impression that u wil get job quickly then do not go to canada as you will struggle and might end of comming back to india. I have seen many cases like that man. I guess in future they will restrict immigrants in large numbers. I have met three or four guys in this forum who struggled there and ended up comming back. So think before u do and always have a plan B

Lucifer, as per your reply above,when you say that a Canadian degree is not valid in India-are you saying that it does not get you a job easily back in India? This may be due to campus placements even in India these day's.But not being recognised- would it mean not being considered a degree at all??

And if I have done my BEng from Canada itself and that too a co-op programme, would finding a job after graduating still be as tough?

Don't you think studying in Canada right from the undergrad level must certainly be having it's own upper edge in finding jobs and settling down? Wouldn't progress be more rapid there than back here in India?

Thanks a lot and best regards.
 

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VOB said:
Yes undergrad degree from canada is not valid in india and vice versa.

look mate, if u r under the impression that u wil get job quickly then do not go to canada as you will struggle and might end of comming back to india. I have seen many cases like that man. I guess in future they will restrict immigrants in large numbers. I have met three or four guys in this forum who struggled there and ended up comming back. So think before u do and always have a plan B

Lucifer, as per your reply above,when you say that a Canadian degree is not valid in India-are you saying that it does not get you a job easily back in India? This may be due to campus placements even in India these day's.But not being recognised- would it mean not being considered a degree at all??

And if I have done my BEng from Canada itself and that too a co-op programme, would finding a job after graduating still be as tough?

Don't you think studying in Canada right from the undergrad level must certainly be having it's own upper edge in finding jobs and settling down? Wouldn't progress be more rapid there than back here in India?

Thanks a lot and best regards.
Yes its not recognised in india. Just as 1 yr uk courses are not recognised in india. Whn did i said u wont find a job ? I said u might have to struggle. Ofcourse u will land a job. And if u want to settle down thn go to quebec (bt u need to learn french for that). There getting a PR is v.easy. SAme in sachketwan province. Progress will be rapid once u get a job. But be sure, keeping in mind the recent changes for inteernational student, it is more hard to get a job. Also, when your WP expires, you have to go to your employer saying pls sir do my LMO, i will work for u for less $$$.

Read more thread, understand them nd then say. I never told u, u wont get a job. Getting a job depends onur luck n communication skills.

Have a nice day