ITA Received.. Accept or Decline?

[Bloodrose]

That is incorrect. Foreign work experience needs to be at least 30 hours/week during 52 weeks in order to accumulate the 1-year work experience requirement.

That makes no sense. That would mean that you can't go on vacation at any time, take a sick day because you had a cold or even take the public holidays off since if you are working a normal 35 hour week then taking one day off for a public holiday (e.g. Thanksgiving in Canada) would put you below the 30 h/pw.

 

[AT_1]

Same confusion and I don't think my immigration consultant has a clear answer to any of my queries.

My first experience is of 2 years 8 months NOC which i am claiming points
second experience is months : NOC I am claiming points
Third experience 1 year 7 months: Self employment same NOC but I want to move to personal history due to difficulty in providing documentation.No continuous income to show.Came to know about extra docs required post ITA
Fourth Experience: 7 months ,same NOC
fifth experience : 11 months ,same NOC
GAP of 2 years.Moved to UAE and searching for job.
sixth experience: 5 months Same NOC

Now is it that all my experiences of less than 1 year cannot be counted.They are full time employments. So my total experience is less than 3 years?I thought it is plus years or atleast 3 years plus to say the least.

Please confirm.Just going crazy over this.Since I am going to remove my self emplyment from my work history if my total years of experience fall from 458 to 433 (assuming less than one year experiences above cannot be calculated)

 

[johnmunch]

That makes no sense. That would mean that you can't go on vacation at any time, take a sick day because you had a cold or even take the public holidays off since if you are working a normal 35 hour week then taking one day off for a public holiday (e.g. Thanksgiving in Canada) would put you below the 30 h/pw.

I fully agree. But the point is that the EQUIVALENT of 1 year of full time work at 30 hours/week needs to be gained continuously to satisfy work experience requirement. Anything above 30 hours weekly is still counted as 30 hours ie FT week. If during some weeks you worked less than 30 then it goes without saying it will take longer than 1 year to gain the experience.

The best way to calculate work experience assuming one works full-time (i.e. at least 30 hours/week without counting the hours above 30) is to multiply the number of weeks you worked full-time and see how far below 1560 the result is.

For part-time, you add up all the hours worked, divide by 30 and you will get Full-time equivalent experience.

 

[dum.sonu]

the first year needs to be in the same NOC (i.e. occuption), not same job. it looks like either the system rounded up the months to have 1 year of experience for your first NOC and hence first job and in that case, there will be an issue with your application. Or the 1 year experience does not need to be the actual 1st year of work and can therefore happen after you have worked in other jobs (same or different NOCs). I hope that clears things out.

Sorry but I am still not clear with it. I did have the same NOC (electrical engineering) for a year, though the jobs were different. Both the electrical engineering jobs were full-time. I don't see what the issue might be in the application. What is the issue that you mentioned? And so according to you, should I accept the ITA?

 

[dum.sonu]

Same confusion and I don't think my immigration consultant has a clear answer to any of my queries.

My first experience is of 2 years 8 months NOC which i am claiming points
second experience is months : NOC I am claiming points
Third experience 1 year 7 months: Self employment same NOC but I want to move to personal history due to difficulty in providing documentation.No continuous income to show.Came to know about extra docs required post ITA
Fourth Experience: 7 months ,same NOC
fifth experience : 11 months ,same NOC
GAP of 2 years.Moved to UAE and searching for job.
sixth experience: 5 months Same NOC

Now is it that all my experiences of less than 1 year cannot be counted.They are full time employments. So my total experience is less than 3 years?I thought it is plus years or atleast 3 years plus to say the least.

Please confirm.Just going crazy over this.Since I am going to remove my self emplyment from my work history if my total years of experience fall from 458 to 433 (assuming less than one year experiences above cannot be calculated)

I am in the same boat as you. There's a lot of confusion around full-time jobs that last a few months.

 

[thejkhan]

By the way, it is short by 6 days because of the weekends.

Then make sure it's 52 full weeks.

In that case, what if I nominate only my current job? My current job is more than one year and continuous. But it's different from electrical engineering, which is what I studied in my university.

That's what I'm saying. Go with the NOC with the longest period of continuous experience.

 

[dum.sonu]

I fully agree. But the point is that the EQUIVALENT of 1 year of full time work at 30 hours/week needs to be gained continuously to satisfy work experience requirement. Anything above 30 hours weekly is still counted as 30 hours ie FT week. If during some weeks you worked less than 30 then it goes without saying it will take longer than 1 year to gain the experience.

The best way to calculate work experience assuming one works full-time (i.e. at least 30 hours/week without counting the hours above 30) is to multiply the number of weeks you worked full-time and see how far below 1560 the result is.

For part-time, you add up all the hours worked, divide by 30 and you will get Full-time equivalent experience.

I do have more than 30 hours/week in every job I listed. The only confusion is with the NOC and whether they would accept full-time jobs that lasted a few months.

 

[dum.sonu]

Then make sure it's 52 full weeks.

That's what I'm saying. Go with the NOC with the longest period of continuous experience.

That would change a lot of things. I was basing my application on electrical engineering because that's my education. If I go with the NOC of the longest period of continuous experience, then I would have to remove my electrical engineering jobs and put them in personal history? I would also have to change the primary occupation?

 

[pacificislander]

That would change a lot of things. I was basing my application on electrical engineering because that's my education. If I go with the NOC of the longest period of continuous experience, then I would have to remove my electrical engineering jobs and put them in personal history? I would also have to change the primary occupation?

Your education has nothing to do with your NOC. It doesnt matter what you have studied.

 

[AT_1]

Anyone has any clue if full time permanent jobs that last a few months/with /without some breaks in between are considered foreign work experience.

Experts please help :-\

My immigration lawyer doesnt want me to drop the ITA but i dont see my self employment documents as adequate and clear enough to prove the employment. Would rather wait for another ITA/PNPs now when the scores are going down than being rejected after months, when I would have lost another 5 points on age and scores would be climbing.

Need to decide on this in a day or so and make changes in profile before the next draw. Any idea when is the next draw happening?

Any help would be really valued here :-\

 

[thestunner316]

Anyone has any clue if full time permanent jobs that last a few months/with /without some breaks in between are considered foreign work experience.

Experts please help :-\

My immigration lawyer doesnt want me to drop the ITA but i dont see my self employment documents as adequate and clear enough to prove the employment. Would rather wait for another ITA/PNPs now when the scores are going down than being rejected after months, when I would have lost another 5 points on age and scores would be climbing.

Need to decide on this in a day or so and make changes in profile before the next draw. Any idea when is the next draw happening?

Any help would be really valued here :-\

well from what i remember atleast 1 year work should be continuos to qualify for EE , check minimum eligible criteria for that...

to gain full points, you need to have 3 yrs+ work experience full time

i'll be honest - proving self employment is quite difficult, particularly if its a startup... and it depends from case officer to case officer... for one officer the docs you provide is enough, 2nd officer might disagree... i have seen 1-2 cases where case officers were quite strict on self employment when they applied for OINP, but eventually they got nominations...

it all depends on you buddy... if you think its too risky, you are confident of getting ITA in next draw again after changes are made... then decline the ITA...

FYI - no one knows EXACTLY when the next draw will happen... the trend these days is alternate wednesdays.... there was a draw like week, so there "may" not be a draw this week... but like i said - no one knows for sure...

and you wont start losing points for age till you are 29-30...

good luck

 

[AT_1]

Hi,

Thanks for the quick revert. Am 32 years of age so am losing points every year.

If I drop my self employment (which I think I should,since even I am not convinced that the proofs are adequate. Was running Pvt Ltd company but no continuous income to show throughout the work ex etc etc) and I assume that work experience less than 1 year will not be counted then my score drops from 458 to 433.Otherwise my total work experience is six plus years.

Hoping the scores might drop low/less than 1 year work full time jobs will be counted/get PNP nominations or something.Got a gut feeling that I should not attempt to prove my self employment if the basic docs required are not in place.

As of now my verdict: which I will soon convey to my immigration lawyer: will drop the ITA

 

[thestunner316]

Hi,

Thanks for the quick revert. Am 32 years of age so am losing points every year.

If I drop my self employment (which I think I should,since even I am not convinced that the proofs are adequate. Was running Pvt Ltd company but no continuous income to show throughout the work ex etc etc) and I assume that work experience less than 1 year will not be counted then my score drops from 458 to 433.Otherwise my total work experience is six plus years.

Hoping the scores might drop low/less than 1 year work full time jobs will be counted/get PNP nominations or something.Got a gut feeling that I should not attempt to prove my self employment if the basic docs required are not in place.

As of now my verdict: which I will soon convey to my immigration lawyer: will drop the ITA

what i didnt understand is you are saying you have 6 yrs + work experience already right ? how many of this is self employed ?

like i mentioned 3 yrs + experience you will get full points, doesnt matter how many more years experience you add on top of that...

 

[AT_1]

Well my first job in the required NOC has 2 years 8 months
Second job has six months
Third : Self Employment: 1 year 8 months
4th: again less than one year
5th : 11 months
Etc etc

So if they don't consider less than 1 year full time jobs as experience then I cannot claim points and will come under 2 years of work ex. and my scores will drop.

 

[thestunner316]

Well my first job in the required NOC has 2 years 8 months
Second job has six months
Third : Self Employment: 1 year 8 months
4th: again less than one year
5th : 11 months
Etc etc

So if they don't consider less than 1 year full time jobs as experience then I cannot claim points and will come under 2 years of work ex. and my scores will drop.

no no you misunderstood me... you are mistaken.

actually you know what ? ping me on IM, i will continue the conversation there.