Is this suspicious?

[chatchaser]

If someone is coming from a country that doesnt need a visa to stay for 6 months ( Australia ) is it a good idea to just buy a return ticket with a return date in a few weeks so immigration is not suspicious?

My bf is coming here and will be staying for 6 months and we want to see how living together goes and if all is well get married.

My first concern is,if he noshows for his return flight will the airline do something?will immigration find out and come looking for him?

What is the best way to go about this?I was thinking if he just didnt get on the plane to go back, stayed we saw how things went for a few months got married, i sponsored him under family class, and got an extention 30 days before 6 months was up till his papers came through,is this the best way?

Please advise we already have ticket booked and want to make sure we are going about it the right way......any input very appreaciated

 

[Lylyth]

The airline doesn't care if he shows or not because they will just keep his money. He can apply for a visit extension, but apply for the extension BEFORE his return date.

 

[chatchaser]

thanks so much for replying.his return date is 2 weeks after his arrival.we did not want to look suspicious at all.we are very nervous when it comes to immigration.if the return date was 6 months from the time he arrived surely they would be suspicious.we wanted to just say hes coming for a holiday.

i dont need to ask for an extention till 30 days before the 6 months correct?

 

[Ssarah183]

It can take a lot longer than 30 days to get an extension. I personally would have booked a longer flight, I'm from the UK and have a return ticket for 6 months time. I told the visa official I was visiting my girlfriend pending my PR visa and he stamped me in for 6 months with no problem. I got an extra stamp in my passport saying how long I have been cleared for. I don't know if it will look bad that he has been in Canada for 6 months without the passport stamp.

 

[chatchaser]

yes that seems like it would be a good idea,we are just worried that because there is no PR application in process when he enters at the border that he might get turned away. We just didnt want to take that chance.But its definitely good to know that you had no problems. He is allowed to stay here for the 6 months without problems tho right?and if in that time we get married, IF in the worst case scenario his extention isnt granted,and he has to go back to Australia for awhile,can we change the PR sponsorship app from inland to outland to speed it up?is that possible?

 

[rjessome]

yes that seems like it would be a good idea,we are just worried that because there is no PR application in process when he enters at the border that he might get turned away. We just didnt want to take that chance.But its definitely good to know that you had no problems. He is allowed to stay here for the 6 months without problems tho right?and if in that time we get married, IF in the worst case scenario his extention isnt granted,and he has to go back to Australia for awhile,can we change the PR sponsorship app from inland to outland to speed it up?is that possible?

Yes, the default time allowed is 6 months for a visitor. When he gets here, I would suggest he pay the change fee to get the ticket extended. That idea has nothing to do with immigration, just a possibility to save you both money.

No, you can't change an application from inland to outland. You would have to withdraw the inland and apply outland. If you do get married and apply inland, provide a copy of the inland application with the extension application for the TRV. They don't normally refuse those if there is an inland sponsorship application going on.

 

[chatchaser]

oh thats great news that they dont normally refuse extentions if the inland application is provided.

So what happens if the inland application takes years,do we keep extending?are they likely to keep extending if its been a year or even 3?i'm seeing some ppl have had it take that long.thats sort of scary.

i'm very new here and still browsing.i see something about being able to work ,study etc after first stage approval?this is confusing.when does that happen and do they get a health card?what is their status then?

 

[diddagirl]

If he is from Australia- then why not look at getting a Working Holiday Visa? Then he can actually work while he's here, and immigration will completely understand why he has no return ticket...

 

[Rasha]

I am a bit confused by your post....

it seems from your information that you want your bf to visit, and while he is here you will apply INLAND for permanent residence? Is that the case??? If it is, I think some other professionals on the site can attest that you will not be able to travel [easily] while such an application is in process.

If you are apply outland - you can always visit [but even without requiring a visa to visit] if the immigrations officials see that there is a PR file in process, they can refuse your bf/spouse at the port of entry, if they are not convinced he will leave when he is supposed to. Buying a return ticket does not guarantee this point: letters of a job, a house, letters from the bank etc.. do show that he is established elsewhere and would not abandon his home country, and thus is probably not a flight risk, nor will he overstay he visit.

If he is just visiting, and going back and forth - why would this be an issue, many people have done it all the time, without consequence. It would appear however, you are planning to turn one of those visits into something more permanent, and thus your concern.

I will just say be careful, be honest, and be mindful of dual intent - it is permissible, but if immigration feels at any time your bf/spouse or you have lied to them, it could be grounds for future denial/dismissal. Several posts have discussed this matter, and if you use the search tool - you will find very informative posts regarding the matter.

 

[chatchaser]

ok i will clarify.he is not looking to go back and forth or travel period.he is coming to stay but we were worried about the return date on the ticket.

he is coming as a visitor at first with a return ticket,then he plans on staying UNLESS something goes horribly wrong with us living together then he will return n we will end the relationship.

but,as it stands right now we plan on getting married,we just dont want to tell the border this information thats why he has a return ticket for 2 weeks after his arrival.we understand inland takes a while but we want to live together and i cannot move to australia it is easier for him to move here.

 

[chatchaser]

If he is from Australia- then why not look at getting a Working Holiday Visa? Then he can actually work while he's here, and immigration will completely understand why he has no return ticket...

well,ive never heard of such thing.maybe we will look into it unless u are able to give more information?thank you

we looked into work visa but saw that a canadian job offer was needed and so many other things it just seemed so complicated and time consuming,is there a difference between a regular work visa and a work holiday visa?

 

[Rasha]

ok i will clarify.he is not looking to go back and forth or travel period.he is coming to stay but we were worried about the return date on the ticket.

he is coming as a visitor at first with a return ticket,then he plans on staying UNLESS something goes horribly wrong with us living together then he will return n we will end the relationship.

but,as it stands right now we plan on getting married,we just dont want to tell the border this information thats why he has a return ticket for 2 weeks after his arrival.we understand inland takes a while but we want to live together and i cannot move to australia it is easier for him to move here.

Be Careful!

I am not trying to concern you - but I could see right through your initial posts and saw what you are really asking. If *I* can see that as passive by-stander, surely an immigration officer will be suspicious as well. [And you realize that, otherwise why would you post.]

That is not to say that others have not done the same in the past, but you do risk denial if you in any way outright LIE to the I/O upon entering Canada, as once they review the file and see he was here when etc.., they will open the initial record of his visit, and see what notes etc.. were placed at the time he entered Canada [if there is discrepancy, then you will blow your credibility].

SO, what does all this mean - it means be wise to what you say, and how you present yourself. Leon and PMM have discussed dual intent ad nauseum. You should review what they have suggested and said well.

In my opinion, your best option is to take the Working Visa - Australia has that agreement with Canada, he will enter for work, no questions or flags will be raised regarding any relationship - and thus no reason to not fully diclose the truth. And once he is here legally - you carry on with your business.

Remember dual intent is permissible, he can be here on one visa, marry etc.. and apply for PR - but I also caution you to think well on that process - with inland you have less rights to appeal and overturn any verdicts....so say for example if they were 'suspicious' of his entry etc...and you were denied - it would not be as easy to get overturned, than if you apply outland. AND it will be must quicker outland as well.

 

[Rasha]

If he is from Australia- then why not look at getting a Working Holiday Visa? Then he can actually work while he's here, and immigration will completely understand why he has no return ticket...

well,ive never heard of such thing.maybe we will look into it unless u are able to give more information?thank you

we looked into work visa but saw that a canadian job offer was needed and so many other things it just seemed so complicated and time consuming,is there a difference between a regular work visa and a work holiday visa?

Here is some information on that visa - I do know it's age-restricted, but it's good for a year, and I believe renewable for a 2nd year:

http://www.visabureau.com/canada/working-holiday-requirements.aspx

 

[chatchaser]

well we did not know aobut the working holiday visa until now.im not sure if there is enough time to apply. also the part about having $4000 is going to be a problem.but thank you for the information.i wish i had come on the board sooner and looked into this.
thanks again