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Is there a need for hiring an Immigration attorney or consultant

sakshi0027

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Hello All

We have a score of 466 and are waiting for an ITA. The confusion is that after the ITA can one go forward with the documentation etc on our own or do we need to hire a consultant or an immigration lawyer to represent our case.

A few friends have hired services of immigration consultants who charge a substantial amount. We wish to continue with the process on our own but are worried that the application may get rejected if we miss something.

Thanks in advance
 

dks2323

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Do it yourself...Do you really think that a consultant really care about you...its just the money they care about....They handle multiple clients at the same time....
You are the best person to submit your application....And you dont even have think about the documents....CIC tells you clearly what documents to submit.....JUST READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY....
Read this forum or ask your doubts here....There are members in this forum who are a lot better than any consultant....There are members who have literally faced each scenario possible while submitting the application....so nothing better than doing it yourself....
 
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volodyalysak

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dks2323 said:
Do it yourself...Do you really think that a consultant really care about you...its just the money they care about....They handle multiple clients at the same time....
You are the best person to submit your application....And you dont even have think about the documents....CIC tells you clearly what documents to submit.....JUST READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY....
Read this forum or ask your doubts here....There are members in this forum who are a lot better than any consultant....There are members who have literally faced each scenario possible while submitting the application....so nothing better than doing it yourself....
REally ? WEl let me say this:
I did most of the work myself, submitted EE profile, but i still hired consultant just because it is a piece of mind for me, no doubt i can do it all myself, but:
If i miss something or misrepresent or forget to attach something important and have to resubmit my EE profile again - it will be not worth for me at all.
It is just insurance for me, i can afford to pay 2500$ CAD to hire consultant, they do care, because thats how they get money, they are better that i'm at what they do, they deal with stuff like this on daily basis, i don't feel like sitting on forums and asking questions on everything that i don't know.
If i was applying from Ukraine and had to work really really hard to get those 2500$ i would probably did it myself.
Let me ask you this: would you rather fix something yourself that you have no experience fixing or let somebody do it who does it for living, i just don't like to second question myself on stuff like this.
 

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volodyalysak said:
REally ? WEl let me say this:
I did most of the work myself, submitted EE profile, but i still hired consultant just because it is a piece of mind for me, no doubt i can do it all myself, but:
If i miss something or misrepresent or forget to attach something important and have to resubmit my EE profile again - it will be not worth for me at all.
It is just insurance for me, i can afford to pay 2500$ CAD to hire consultant, they do care, because thats how they get money, they are better that i'm at what they do, they deal with stuff like this on daily basis, i don't feel like sitting on forums and asking questions on everything that i don't know.
If i was applying from Ukraine and had to work really really hard to get those 2500$ i would probably did it myself.
Let me ask you this: would you rather fix something yourself that you have no experience fixing or let somebody do it who does it for living, i just don't like to second question myself on stuff like this.
Well, that is your opinion and I respect it.
However, there are many candidates on this forum like me who have already hired consultants only to find out that what they advice and educate you is nothing different than what you can study yourself on IRCC website. Also, I got much knowledge and information on this forum than that I can ever get it from my consultant.
In fact, due to the knowledge that I have received from this forum so far, I feel more confident than I would have otherwise felt.
Atleast a hundred people on this forum will agree with this above statement.
 
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volodyalysak

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sushsmart15 said:
Well, that is your opinion and I respect it.
However, there are many candidates on this forum like me who have already hired consultants only to find out that what they advice and educate you is nothing different than what you can study yourself on IRCC website. Also, I got much knowledge and information on this forum than that I can ever get it from my consultant.
In fact, due to the knowledge that I have received from this forum so far, I feel more confident than I would have otherwise felt.
Atleast a hundred people on this forum will agree with this above statement.
I agree,i learned all the DO's and DONT"s here, still it is everyones choice to hire consultant or not. Hopefully they do good job after i get ITA and everything will go smooth, in case they mess up i can always ask reputable members here for an advice. One little mistake can set me off for couple month back, i'm staying without any status here in US and believe me working shitty jobs and not be able to apply for one that you like is the worst thing ever. That's why i'm just triple checking and reassuring myself in every way i can to get to Canada. I already messed up my chance in US badly, so don't want to do same mistake again, lesson learned.
 

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sushsmart15 said:
Well, that is your opinion and I respect it.
However, there are many candidates on this forum like me who have already hired consultants only to find out that what they advice and educate you is nothing different than what you can study yourself on IRCC website. Also, I got much knowledge and information on this forum than that I can ever get it from my consultant.
In fact, due to the knowledge that I have received from this forum so far, I feel more confident than I would have otherwise felt.
Atleast a hundred people on this forum will agree with this above statement.
I'm using a consultant as well, but this is the right approach. I've done freelancing work in the past, so after a lot of research myself, much like what volodyalysak said, I got a consultant purely from a peace of mind point of view.

I sat down with them, negotiated the deal and made it very clear that for their services, I would be paying them on a milestone basis i.e. Advance payment is X, successful submission and approval of EoI data is Y, final receipt of visa is Z. No lump sum payment upfront and they need to earn their money at every step of the process.

In my case, I negotiated value as a prime motivator - consultants, like lawyers, want easy cases that are "dead certs" in horsebetting parlance. It makes them look good, attracts more business and is a cakewalk to get through the process. With my particular circumstances and sitting at 481, that is exactly what I am - as a result of this, while two out of the three consultants I spoke to walked away because they pretty much demanded money up front (and a lot more than the average for what I saw was very little USP) and were already somewhat annoyed by the fact that they could bullshit (pardon the language) me on the steps and couldn't inflate prices for the WES ECA, UK PCC and IELTS (I got these done before I approached them), the one I currently use was both very happy that I did this and was absolutely fine with the contract I made them sign regarding the payments.

In short, your mileage may vary or YMMV. If you are a busy person who would much rather leave the tedium of document of it to someone who is fairly experienced to doing this as their main profession (especially consultants who are used to going over a standard set of documentation), then consultants are a good idea, so long as you both have very clear expectations going in, sufficient amount of trust in their procedures and have a set schedule to follow up with them.

If you would rather choose to handle it yourself, then you are free to, but also remember that in case a problem arises, it could involve a fair bit of your time to resolve and the path to resolution may not always be clear.

Both have their pros and cons, so with that in mind, choose wisely. If choosing a consultant, it's important to understand a few things:

a) What their plans for your application are.
b) What they would suggest are viable ways to boost your scores
c) Is there any sort of existing clients network that you could tap into to get a headstart on job hunting for your chosen professions?
d) How many candidates have they successfully processed specifically through the Express Entry Program? Could you have a few references of successful candidates to talk to them about the experience? It's important to make this distinction, because a few tried to BS me about the number of candidates they've specifically processed through the new system, quoting numbers that were nearly half a decade old!
e) If the Canadian migration does not come through, can they pivot your existing applications for other countries such as NZ or Australia if you were interested?

Think of it as a job interview where the consultant is the one being interviewed. Any sign of a dodgy weaselese answer gets a hard pass.
 

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volodyalysak said:
I agree,i learned all the DO's and DONT"s here, still it is everyones choice to hire consultant or not. Hopefully they do good job after i get ITA and everything will go smooth, in case they mess up i can always ask reputable members here for an advice. One little mistake can set me off for couple month back, i'm staying without any status here in US and believe me working *censored word* jobs and not be able to apply for one that you like is the worst thing ever. That's why i'm just triple checking and reassuring myself in every way i can to get to Canada. I already messed up my chance in US badly, so don't want to do same mistake again, lesson learned.
Hi please excuse my interjection into this discussion. Are you saying that you are living and working in the US with no legal status?

If the answer is yes here is a note of caution of you; I have been a member of this forum since October 2015 and I know of at least 2 cases where people wrote that they had been rejected when applying from the US. Those 2 individuals were in a similar position to yourself. They did not disclose their circumstances fully to IRCC, and they did not count in the fact that the US and Canada share cross border information. Remember if you have entered the US the border guard would have inserted a US entry visa stamp on your passport, and if you somehow entered the US illegally questions may arise by the border guard about your entry at the time you try to exit the US at a port of departure.

I'm not suggesting for one moment that these are your actual circumstances, however if they are I suggest you be fully truthful about your circumstances.

Remember what a permanent residence application is; a documented biography of your life over the last decade. If the circumstances I describe are correct (ie living in the US with no legal status), then you will not have any documented record for this part of your life. This lack of documented record in a system is the main reason for the rejection of a number of applications.

I know this is not what you want to hear but that is my opinion. Feel free to ignore and correct me if my facts are misstated.
 

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sakshi0027 said:
Hello All

We have a score of 466 and are waiting for an ITA. The confusion is that after the ITA can one go forward with the documentation etc on our own or do we need to hire a consultant or an immigration lawyer to represent our case.

A few friends have hired services of immigration consultants who charge a substantial amount. We wish to continue with the process on our own but are worried that the application may get rejected if we miss something.

Thanks in advance
It depends on your previous experiences. If you've filled out couple of visa/work permit applications to Canada before and have a week or two to focus on your paperwork, I'd say you don't need a lawyer: as people above already said everything you need to know is posted on IRCC website. If you don't have much time to focus on paperwork - go with the lawyer.
 

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sakshi0027 said:
Hello All

We have a score of 466 and are waiting for an ITA. The confusion is that after the ITA can one go forward with the documentation etc on our own or do we need to hire a consultant or an immigration lawyer to represent our case.

A few friends have hired services of immigration consultants who charge a substantial amount. We wish to continue with the process on our own but are worried that the application may get rejected if we miss something.

Thanks in advance
Unless your case is complicated, you do not need an immigration consultant or lawyer, you can use that money to pay your application fees.
 

dks2323

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volodyalysak said:
REally ? WEl let me say this:
I did most of the work myself, submitted EE profile, but i still hired consultant just because it is a piece of mind for me, no doubt i can do it all myself, but:
If i miss something or misrepresent or forget to attach something important and have to resubmit my EE profile again - it will be not worth for me at all.
It is just insurance for me, i can afford to pay 2500$ CAD to hire consultant, they do care, because thats how they get money, they are better that i'm at what they do, they deal with stuff like this on daily basis, i don't feel like sitting on forums and asking questions on everything that i don't know.
If i was applying from Ukraine and had to work really really hard to get those 2500$ i would probably did it myself.
Let me ask you this: would you rather fix something yourself that you have no experience fixing or let somebody do it who does it for living, i just don't like to second question myself on stuff like this.
In your case you DO need a consultant...and if you have hired a consultant then I'll suggest to hire an immigration lawyer...even a consultant can mess up your case....you are living illegally in US....I don't think you can get away with that easily....get a good lawyer...

But if OP's case is straight forward then OP does not need any consultant...if you are ready to migrate to a different country then I am pretty sure that you can do your research for some days and file your application...and even after reading this forum and your research, you are not confident enough...then go hire a consultant....but once you do your homework then you can have a check on the consultant that s/he does not miss anything....
 

volodyalysak

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JoacRy said:
Hi please excuse my interjection into this discussion. Are you saying that you are living and working in the US with no legal status?

If the answer is yes here is a note of caution of you; I have been a member of this forum since October 2015 and I know of at least 2 cases where people wrote that they had been rejected when applying from the US. Those 2 individuals were in a similar position to yourself. They did not disclose their circumstances fully to IRCC, and they did not count in the fact that the US and Canada share cross border information. Remember if you have entered the US the border guard would have inserted a US entry visa stamp on your passport, and if you somehow entered the US illegally questions may arise by the border guard about your entry at the time you try to exit the US at a port of departure.

I'm not suggesting for one moment that these are your actual circumstances, however if they are I suggest you be fully truthful about your circumstances.

Remember what a permanent residence application is; a documented biography of your life over the last decade. If the circumstances I describe are correct (ie living in the US with no legal status), then you will not have any documented record for this part of your life. This lack of documented record in a system is the main reason for the rejection of a number of applications.

I know this is not what you want to hear but that is my opinion. Feel free to ignore and correct me if my facts are misstated.
Thanks for sharing this but:
1. I entered US legally and worked and lived here legally for most of the time, just hit dead end with my immigration process and have no legal status here
2. Canadian immigration law states that you have to prove that you maintained status for at least 1 year in the country which you apply from for Canada.

It is not like i crossed the border and stayed here for 9 years, i came on work visa, had extensions for 2.5 years, than i had student visa for 2 years, than i had Asylum case here for 3 years, and only when i lost my asylum case is when i lost my status here.
And if thats the problem i can always go back to Ukraine and enter Canada from there if needed.
 

volodyalysak

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dks2323 said:
In your case you DO need a consultant...and if you have hired a consultant then I'll suggest to hire an immigration lawyer...even a consultant can mess up your case....you are living illegally in US....I don't think you can get away with that easily....get a good lawyer...

But if OP's case is straight forward then OP does not need any consultant...if you are ready to migrate to a different country then I am pretty sure that you can do your research for some days and file your application...and even after reading this forum and your research, you are not confident enough...then go hire a consultant....but once you do your homework then you can have a check on the consultant that s/he does not miss anything....
As i said earlier i hired consultant for piece of mind, i hope my US immigration history won't bother Canadian government as much.
 

dks2323

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volodyalysak said:
As i said earlier i hired consultant for piece of mind, i hope my US immigration history won't bother Canadian government as much.
I hope you get Canadian PR soon to start your life peacefully again....
I strongly suggest you to go to an immigration lawyer and discuss your case...you can pay them hourly and discuss....it wont even cost much money....consultants are not good enough to suggest you for a complicated case....
 

bamshy

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If you have no issues that pose risk of rejection e.g. health/security. I'd say do it yourself and save yourself money you can use in settliing here!
Consultants can be helpful, ONLY because they have learnt from experimenting with a number of applicants BUT that doesn't mean they are perfect or in my opinion worth the exhorbitant price!
As a lot of people have said, read this forum well and post ANY question or doubts you have. Ensure you submit all requested docs - ECA, Proof of funds (check regularly for updates), Employer references clearly stating NOC code, duties and other details and do not include information you cannot submit a proof for.

All that being said, this is something you can do for yourself. I did it twice. Rejected first time and now have my PPR second time.

Finally, if you are too afraid of failure (which is not necessarily a bad word), you can use a consultant. Consultants are not failure-proof, they are just avenue to blame someone else should failure happen :)
 

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I have the same issue right now, I need to provide few LOE in my case, but I don't know how to prepare it, I didn't mention anything about representative in my application, can I still use someone to help me out in my process ?