IS NECESSARY TO PAY THE TUITION FEE OF THE FIRST SEMESTER?

[aquarius1]

What a mess! So they told you are accepted even without proper English level, gave you a pre-acceptance letter where they asked you to take IELTS and with this letter you got your SP? Correct? And when you came to the college on you SP they told you that you do not meet the requirement for admission because of your English? And when they offered to take a 1 year course of ESL you decided to take IELTS instead? (of course it's a matter of money, I understand this) But still your IELTS marks were too low. They did not accepted you and you went home.

Now I think what you should do is to PREPARE and take IELTS test again. Get your 6.5 with no bands lower than 6.0 , send the results to the college and ask them to send you an ACCEPTANCE letter. Also ask them to write a letter explaining the whole story. Ask them, they will help you.

With the acceptance letter and that letter with "their story", and a copy of all of your IELTS results go to Canada again. At POE you will show the recent (!!) acceptance (!!) letter , the letter from the college and tell the officer the story + you will be able to show him the proof that all the matter was only in IELTS (show him copies of IELTS results- from "low" to "accepted").

You did the right thing when you tried taking IELTS and then when you went home. I am sure the officer will understand. It is obvious that it was 1. college mistake: on phone they said it's not a problem and then when you arrived that it is a problem(!!??) 2. VO's mistake when it issued you SP based on pre-acceptance letter with the request for IELTS but no results of IELTS.

Hi Regina,

Thanks your kindness and once again for your reply.

I applied within canada and the letter shows you have to take test of english and mathematics and it is for everyone.

I think VO's understand that I will do esl course if I can not get admission in my program according to in sense of letter's information.

but, VO's don't know that college accepted me by phone before I paid them and then I applied SP. Actually, they told me you have to do 1 year esl course that's why I tried ielts instead of that if they would have told me you have to do one semester of esl then I will go for that instead of ielts test because I wanted to start my program as soon as possible like in january term.


I already asked them about that l need letter to VO's to come back. Afetr, I got 5.5 bands I went there college and when I did not get admission, then I asked them I need a letter of explanation that I did not get admission in Sep and Jan term just because of ielts test, they told me we will give you letter when you show us your ticket.

Now, I want to go back home and want to do ielts test in my home country and want to come back for study for fall term, 2014 or January term, 2015 and now I also want to change my college even province may be in alberta, can I do that?

or
Do I have to stay here and fulfill the language requirement within Canada interms of ielts test or esl or college pathway program?


Let's say if I fulfill english requirement in the month of may in any one of above way, so can I go back home after meeting the requirement ?
or
Do I have to stay after month of may ,till my program start due to the risk of again entry so can I stay without getting admission in any college till for rest of the month for fall term, 2014?


Please kindly help me and do my favour in this regards. I will be very grateful to you.

I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks very much for your time.

 

[virtu]

Just to share my situation (also, I am from Brazil).

I received 2 letters from the College that I applied:

• 1st Letter: is addressed to CIC and said that granted official admission to me for full time study in the program that I applied for. Also said that the program start em 01/MAY/2014 and all program costs (tuition, fees and books & materials)
• 2nd Letter: is addressed to me and said that I am conditionally admitted into the program that I apply for, said that the payment of the costs must be done until 01/MAY/2014 and also said to gain official admission I must submit a copy of VISA upon arrival.

So, as I only going to have my official admission after getting the VISA and the payment can be done until first day of may, I already applied to VISA with both letters and explained that the payment can be done until the end of April, as indicated in the Admission Letter.

Of course, all other conditions to apply I attached to the application, but I did not needed to pay nothing to the College yet.

Let's see what will happen and please guys pray for me as I pray for you =)

Greetings from Brazil and let's continuing sharing experiences and situations.

 

[Regina]

virtu, you may apply with conditional letter. It is not restricted .
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op12-eng.pdf
page 11-12

It is only just because conditional is conditional , and also if there are other concerns at VO, then conditional letter could cause more doubts at VO.

Like in your case: why did not you pay for the 1st semester and then apply for SP? If you do not get SP your college will return you money.

 

[virtu]

virtu, you may apply with conditional letter. It is not restricted .
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/op/op12-eng.pdf
page 11-12

It is only just because conditional is conditional , and also if there are other concerns at VO, then conditional letter could cause more doubts at VO.

Like in your case: why did not you pay for the 1st semester and then apply for SP? If you do not get SP your college will return you money.

Thanks Regina, your comments are always nice =) (+1)

I tried to pay the 1st year tuition, but the Financial Department said that they can only send me an invoice or any other document requiring the payment after I registered to any course.

I did not attached this e-mail to VISA application because on Admission Letter is well indicated that the payment must done due 01/MAY/2014, of course that I could try to pay, but as the costs are in CAD and my savings are in R$ (Brazilian currency), I can play with the exchange rate and save some money.

I hope with all my strengths that I am going to have successful on my VISA application, one reason is because Canada wants more foreign students (http://www.international.gc.ca/media/comm/news-communiques/2014/01/15a.aspx?lang=eng).

 

[Regina]

I tried to pay the 1st year tuition, but the Financial Department said that they can only send me an invoice or any other document requiring the payment after I registered to any course.

How come ? You did not register to the course yet? Like you do not know what you are going to study at this college? Otherwise what is the difference in May or February payment?

Why I am confused is because , usually, there is an order:
- you apply to the PROGRAM
- university evaluates your education and IELTS
- They send you a conditional letter, asking to pay for the first semester
- you pay
- they send you acceptance letter with only one condition- to finish your acceptance completely they need to see the originals of your degree (and your SP) when you arrive.
- you apply for SP.

more foreign students

Admissible and law obidient. Not just any foreign student.



In terms of your application as you an see in OP12 it does not matter much conditional or aceptance. They will look at you biogtaphy first of all.

 

[Regina]

Our government recognizes that international education is a key driver of jobs and prosperity in every region of Canada.

How come? By taking existing jobs? ;D

Or he has data telling him that FOREIGN STUDENTS after getting there PR open new business "en masse" to create new jobs fro Canadians? I alway knew Harper does not know Canada. :

 

[virtu]

How come ? You did not register to the course yet? Like you do not know what you are going to study at this college? Otherwise what is the difference in May or February payment?

Why I am confused is because , usually, there is an order:
- you apply to the PROGRAM
- university evaluates your education and IELTS
- They send you a conditional letter, asking to pay for the first semester
- you pay
- they send you acceptance letter with only one condition- to finish your acceptance completely they need to see the originals of your degree (and your SP) when you arrive.
- you apply for SP.

It is possible, each College as their way to work. The one that I applied said the even after being registered in any course, they only will request the payment on 01/MAY/2014 and I am going to have 6 days from that to do the payment. This is how it works for that College.

I put that information on my Letter of Explanation, telling to CIC that I will only pay my debts when the College requires it and, also, said that this information was the College that passed to me. Of course that I show on my Proof of Financial Support that I have conditions to pay all the costs (tuition, fees, books, materials, living expenses) for 2 years without need to work.

So, just to share, my application process was like that:

1. Applied to the College;
2. College required a IQAS (http://eae.alberta.ca/labour-and-immigration/overview-of-immigration/international-qualifications-assessment-service.aspx)
3. College application was put on hold;
4. Applied to IQAS (sent them all my original transcripts, high school, graduation, MBA, all in originals and with translations to English);
5. IQAS done
6. IQAS sent to the College;
7. College application done;
8. Received that Letters;
9. Applied to SP.

As you can see, it was different from any other College, put I follow all the steps that I needed and got it. So, as I said my conditional letter can only be converted to official admission after the SP is issued, so CIC officers may understand this fact because they already received a letter from the College telling that I was officialy admitted there.

=)

 

[Regina]

they told me we will give you letter when you show us your ticket.
Now, I want to go back home and want to do ielts test in my home country and want to come back for study for fall term, 2014 or January term, 2015 and now I also want to change my college even province may be in alberta, can I do that?

I suggest you continue with this college first. Show them the ticket and get that letter from them. Go home, improve IELTS results.
Anyway for changing the college you will HAVE TO HAVE IELTS results 6.5 no band lower than 6.0

Then you can apply to another college and INFORM VO that you made a change. At POE you will show papers from "old" college and acceptance letter from the new one, and also IELTS results (new and old ) in support of the story written in the letter from college.

 

[Regina]

so CIC officers may understand this fact because they already received a letter from the College telling that I was officialy admitted there.

Yes, I agree with you, each college is different. Some steps are the same but then there are also defferences in "order" of those steps.

May I ask you, how did you apply to a COLLEGE program having MBA? I assume college does not care but how you convince VO that you need a "college diploma" AFTER having MBA? What do you have in your education and employment history that supports such a switch?

 

[aquarius1]

I suggest you continue with this college first. Show them the ticket and get that letter from them. Go home, improve IELTS results.
Anyway for changing the college you will HAVE TO HAVE IELTS results 6.5 no band lower than 6.0

Then you can apply to another college and INFORM VO that you made a change. At POE you will show papers from "old" college and acceptance letter from the new one, and also IELTS results (new and old ) in support of the story written in the letter from college.

Hi Regina,

Thanks once again.you really helpful for me.

How can I inform VO's I want to change my college?

when I will be coming back to canada I need letter of acceptance from both older one college and new one college or only from new one college ?

I have to pay my tuition fees to my old college or new college?

Currently, I got admission in language course college pathway program with affiliation of some canadian colleges (one of my college also lie in this list) for exemption of ielts or toefl test but it is not public funded college it is ok? but good thing is that after completion of this program I don't need to do ielts test and actually I thought about this institute before jan term but when I heard this program I was too late for january term, and language institute told me you can not complete college pathway program before january term, language institute told me where I am, you have to do ielts test only you have option for january term, 2014.

I have to inform my college about that I am in that language institute right now, my college told me if you want to do that course then tell me and you have to show letter of acceptance of that institute.

Is this pogram good for me ?
or
go back home and do ielts test only?

VO's can ask me why you did not do language course in your college (in my college it takes 3 semester means 12 months) ?before I was trying to get in january term at that time I could not complete my college path way program for jan term.


but, here I have to do approximately one term to get exemption of ielts test in some colleges.




Please kindly help me and do my favour in this regards.

I look forward to hearing from you and thanks very much once again for your time.


Thank you.

 

[Regina]

How can I inform VO's I want to change my college?

I think you can email to VO and ask them. Or you can call to CIC and ask them.

when I will be coming back to canada I need letter of acceptance from both older one college and new one college or only from new one college ?

Why would you need a letter of acceptance from the "old" college? They did not accept you, and you will have a letter from them why. Also ask them to confirm in that letter that they mislead you on that phone call about English. It will be difficult but while you are still in Canada you could try.

I have to pay my tuition fees to my old college or new college?

If you did not pay the old college why would you pay them. They did not accept you and you did not start any program with them. Or did you?
About your new college they will tell you if they request the payment or you can pay when you arrive. It depends as you see above on the college.

not public funded college it is ok?

No it is not.

I did not understand why you enrolled in that language course and did not take ESL with "old" college? Because the old college requested a year course and this course is shorter?

I do not how and where but you have to pass your English test to be accepted to a reliable college if getting PR is your goal in the end.

When you finally get into academic program at the new college pretty soon you will have to apply for SP extension. Then you will think about explanation to CIC. Keep all your papers like a letter from the old college. And do not write them only a prt of the story as you started here. Try to explain everything to CIC properly and in one letter because you could get a refusal if they will not understand your explanation in the first place.

 

[aquarius1]

I think you can email to VO and ask them. Or you can call to CIC and ask them.
Why would you need a letter of acceptance from the "old" college? They did not accept you, and you will have a letter from them why. Also ask them to confirm in that letter that they mislead you on that phone call about English. It will be difficult but while you are still in Canada you could try.
If you did not pay the old college why would you pay them. They did not accept you and you did not start any program with them. Or did you?
About your new college they will tell you if they request the payment or you can pay when you arrive. It depends as you see above on the college. No it is not.

I did not understand why you enrolled in that language course and did not take ESL with "old" college? Because the old college requested a year course and this course is shorter?

I do not how and where but you have to pass your English test to be accepted to a reliable college if getting PR is your goal in the end.

When you finally get into academic program at the new college pretty soon you will have to apply for SP extension. Then you will think about explanation to CIC. Keep all your papers like a letter from the old college. And do not write them only a prt of the story as you started here. Try to explain everything to CIC properly and in one letter because you could get a refusal if they will not understand your explanation in the first place.

Hi

Thanks once again.


I am so worried, please help me.

I already call many times about my condition I already told that I did not get admission in sep term and now I am going to do ielts test for jan term and then I told them I did not get admission in january term and about my current situation, but at that time I was thinking I have to go back home now it was just 20 days before,now I got admission in college pathway program they have affiliation with public funded college, one of public funded college they told me it is ok if you complete this course I will accept you in your program of study, for fall term, 2014.

If I will complete college pathway program from that college it is not ok?

but, this institute is also lie in languagecanada.ca and most of the student get study permit to study here.

or
I have to join any other public funded college for EsL in march, is it ok? there is some college whose ESL program start in March. 2014.


please kindly help me and do my favour in this regards.I will be very grateful to you.


I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks very much for your time.



Thank you

 

[aquarius1]

Hi Regina,

Hope you will receive this message with good health.

Yesterday, I called cic again they told me you can study in any college even any esl courses in private or public funded colleges or as long as you have post secondary study permit with no bound of any colleges until validity of your study permit.

Is it ok for future? I mean for apply pgw now, I want to do esl course in private institute and it is affiliated in terms of exemption of ielts or toefl test with many of the public funded colleges and few universities in all around of Canada.


I need atleast 6.0 band in ielts test and now I have 5.5, I will work hard and try again after 1 month in the mean time of esl course.

If I will get 6.0 band in the month of march or april then still I have to be study in esl course in canada or go back home till september term, 2014?
If I will be here I have to be in study in any course in canada, am I right in my case?

Hopefully, I would not need to extend my study permit in future but I need to apply PGW permit.

Is it ok for apply pgw or only issue with extension of study permit in my situation?



I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks very much for your time.



Thank you

 

[Regina]

If I will complete college pathway program from that college it is not ok?

I do not know that college so I cannot tell you if you should or should not go there.

What I would do if I was in your place:
1. find a college from CIC list of recognized colleges and universities (you can find it on www.cic.gc.ca ) or in one of the topics on the forum, recently it was posted here.
2.ask them if they have a short ESL course
3. show them you IELTS results and ask if the short course will be enough for you to be enrolled in you desired academic program in September.
4. OR if they offer a possibility to enroll in May in academic program taking couple of ESL courses at the same time (some colleges with ESL program offer such an option for students with weak English. Only in this case pay attention if you still will be enrolled FULL time in your academic studies, let's say this college considers a full study is 3 courses per semester, then you can take 2 ESL, if the college considers 4 courses to be a full time student then you can take only 1 ESL course, because for CIC you have to be a full time student and ESL is not a part of your academic studies)
OR
5. you should ask your desirable college if they will accept you with the marks from ESL course taken at another college (what is their ESL threshold for acceptance?) and then take that ESL course, get suitable marks and enroll in your desirable college for academic program in September.

 

[aquarius1]

I do not know that college so I cannot tell you if you should or should not go there.

What I would do if I was in your place:
1. find a college from CIC list of recognized colleges and universities (you can find it on www.cic.gc.ca ) or in one of the topics on the forum, recently it was posted here.
2.ask them if they have a short ESL course
3. show them you IELTS results and ask if the short course will be enough for you to be enrolled in you desired academic program in September.
4. OR if they offer a possibility to enroll in May in academic program taking couple of ESL courses at the same time (some colleges with ESL program offer such an option for students with weak English. Only in this case pay attention if you still will be enrolled FULL time in your academic studies, let's say this college considers a full study is 3 courses per semester, then you can take 2 ESL, if the college considers 4 courses to be a full time student then you can take only 1 ESL course, because for CIC you have to be a full time student and ESL is not a part of your academic studies)
OR
5. you should ask your desirable college if they will accept you with the marks from ESL course taken at another college (what is their ESL threshold for acceptance?) and then take that ESL course, get suitable marks and enroll in your desirable college for academic program in September.

Hi Regina,

Hopefully, I will get admission in one college because they accepted me without ielts test because my country and my university lie on ielts exempted list for meeting the english requirement.


I submitted my application it is in processing.


Now, If I will go back home and come back without ielts test it is ok?


Please I need help it is very crucial fro me to go home and come back Canada.