Is it true?. that the draw selection criteria is based on CRS nd not on NOC'S?

[mf4361]

How can you conclude this?

I can understand that there are more applicants in IT but that doesn't mean that they will be top scorers as well.

That's a false assumption, I must say.

Statistically, CRS score will be evenly spread with minor deviations.

I agreed.

In the past ESDC and CIC do research on the job market and decides a list of occupations that Canada is in demand. This is deemed to be too slow react to the market.

The whole point CIC pushing EE is to move this responsibility to the job market itself, thus giving those with valid job offer and nomination priority. And therefore there is no need for the eligible NOC list.

If a certain NOC has a larger demand in Canada's job market, foreign nationals are more likely to get a job and LMIA for it, then they will get ITA right away.

Yes It is possible that one NOC dominates the EE pool, but statistically, over a large number of applicants, the composition of applicant NOCs will be diversified.

 

[shrinivas1980]

Ok...something is going in wrong way.. if 2173 NOC code requirements are totally filled up in canada labour market.. and still some ppl (2173) are there with best score and in same some other person like chemical engineer or mechanically engineer there.. so still 2173 NOC guys will get ITA?

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This is what exactly I am trying to put across here & trying to speak about Occupation Ceilings. Nevertheless, those having PNominations or LMIA won't suffer.

 

[ngelsa]

But while filling the Express entry application ...we can find one option or dropdown NOC ..for which stream we are working as off now.

If CIC not consider the NOC ..then y all this code? Sorry i am just asking.

They want to make sure your job is a skilled job a.k.a. any of the ones in NOC O, A or B. If your job doesn't fall into any of the 3 NOC categories then you won't be eligible because the 3 federal programs requires that you have skilled work experience and that your primary occupation be a skilled work.

 

[ngelsa]

We need to look at realistic examples and not just "perfect world" scenarios where other factors and deviations are ignored to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It is true that certain jobs require higher education and hence allowing the candidates to score higher in education; however, the entire CRS system is not based on education alone. In fact, an applicant who's occupation does not require a Master Degree can still obtain one and include it in his/her profile to score those few extra points.

The CRS system is comprehensive meaning you need to do well in all areas to be considered regardless your occupation. Frankly speaking, even if you have work experience in a NOC O job for 10+ years but your language test results are not meeting the minimal requirement then you probably won't be considered because you won't be able to score high enough compare to someone who has a NOC B job but score fairly well in every category.

The Express Entry system ensures that Canada is selecting the top scorers who can immediately contribute back to the economy and hence they are awarding those with a job offer or PNP nomination an extra 600 points to boost them to the top.

And to deal with the shortages, the supply and demand will be easily reflect through job bank. If a particular occupation is in shortage more of those jobs will be posted. Employers will be eager to employ candidates who qualify for the job and obtain a LMIA for them to support the job offer which will then give an extra 600 points to the candidates to boost them to the top.

Canada is definitely moving towards a more efficient system but doesn't necessarily mean she is following Australia's footsteps. Each country has its unique needs and demands, so while the sophisticate system works well in Australia doesn't mean it will work in Canada; however, Canada can still employ the cores of the system and make changes that cater to the specific needs of Canada.

 

[clever]

We need to look at realistic examples and not just "perfect world" scenarios where other factors and deviations are ignored to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It is true that certain jobs require higher education and hence allowing the candidates to score higher in education; however, the entire CRS system is not based on education alone. In fact, an applicant who's occupation does not require a Master Degree can still obtain one and include it in his/her profile to score those few extra points.

The CRS system is comprehensive meaning you need to do well in all areas to be considered regardless your occupation. Frankly speaking, even if you have work experience in a NOC O job for 10+ years but your language test results are not meeting the minimal requirement then you probably won't be considered because you won't be able to score high enough compare to someone who has a NOC B job but score fairly well in every category.

The Express Entry system ensures that Canada is selecting the top scorers who can immediately contribute back to the economy and hence they are awarding those with a job offer or PNP nomination an extra 600 points to boost them to the top.

And to deal with the shortages, the supply and demand will be easily reflect through job bank. If a particular occupation is in shortage more of those jobs will be posted. Employers will be eager to employ candidates who qualify for the job and obtain a LMIA for them to support the job offer which will then give an extra 600 points to the candidates to boost them to the top.

Canada is definitely moving towards a more efficient system but doesn't necessarily mean she is following Australia's footsteps. Each country has its unique needs and demands, so while the sophisticate system works well in Australia doesn't mean it will work in Canada; however, Canada can still employ the cores of the system and make changes that cater to the specific needs of Canada.

i agree on the whole

 

[Sky-Walker]

We need to look at realistic examples and not just "perfect world" scenarios where other factors and deviations are ignored to create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It is true that certain jobs require higher education and hence allowing the candidates to score higher in education; however, the entire CRS system is not based on education alone. In fact, an applicant who's occupation does not require a Master Degree can still obtain one and include it in his/her profile to score those few extra points.

The CRS system is comprehensive meaning you need to do well in all areas to be considered regardless your occupation. Frankly speaking, even if you have work experience in a NOC O job for 10+ years but your language test results are not meeting the minimal requirement then you probably won't be considered because you won't be able to score high enough compare to someone who has a NOC B job but score fairly well in every category.

The Express Entry system ensures that Canada is selecting the top scorers who can immediately contribute back to the economy and hence they are awarding those with a job offer or PNP nomination an extra 600 points to boost them to the top.

And to deal with the shortages, the supply and demand will be easily reflect through job bank. If a particular occupation is in shortage more of those jobs will be posted. Employers will be eager to employ candidates who qualify for the job and obtain a LMIA for them to support the job offer which will then give an extra 600 points to the candidates to boost them to the top.

Canada is definitely moving towards a more efficient system but doesn't necessarily mean she is following Australia's footsteps. Each country has its unique needs and demands, so while the sophisticate system works well in Australia doesn't mean it will work in Canada; however, Canada can still employ the cores of the system and make changes that cater to the specific needs of Canada.

Yes

 

[boreda]

How can a engineer person do medical job guys

 

[ngelsa]

How can a engineer person do medical job guys

I think you are missing the point here buddy and holding onto a hypothesis that cannot be proven true.

 

[anisphysio]

but what about regulated profession ??? In which an exam required to clear before doing a job. These candidates can never get job by sitting in other country. Wat about those noc code. ? N those are in demand profession. .

 

[Pippin]

They say they will be offering invitations to those without job offers as well, eventually. We just have to wait and see what point levels below 600 will be announced. Good luck.

 

[jassu2]

but what about regulated profession ??? In which an exam required to clear before doing a job. These candidates can never get job by sitting in other country. Wat about those noc code. ? N those are in demand profession. .

lets say u did nursing back in india.. bachelors... u ll get the bachelors worth of point.. if u get an ITA and u migrate to canada.. reaching there u ll have to sit for local exam to b a registered nurse...

currently they dont give a damn to NOC codes.. but i m sure this is gonna change pretty much sooner or later.. in future i believe its gonna be quota system, selecting those who have the highest score in their respective NOC's

 

[doubleym]

lets say u did nursing back in india.. bachelors... u ll get the bachelors worth of point.. if u get an ITA and u migrate to canada.. reaching there u ll have to sit for local exam to b a registered nurse...

currently they dont give a damn to NOC codes.. but i m sure this is gonna change pretty much sooner or later.. in future i believe its gonna be quota system, selecting those who have the highest score in their respective NOC's

There is no need for a quota system, as explained many times LMIA takes care of that, NOCs in demand will be far more likely to receive an LMIA or PNP nomination, giving 600 extra points and ensuring the candidate is selected ahead of an applicant who's NOC is less in demand.

 

[anisphysio]

Double ym.
you cant get Lmia or pnp for some professions even though those are in demand.

 

[jassu2]

Double ym.
you cant get Lmia or pnp for some professions even though those are in demand.

Exactly.. lmia is employer based and not nation wide economy based..

considering that EE is kinda rip off australian system.. sooner or later they will have NOC based invitation with probability of quota base to serve better interest of canada..
after all this system is not for us.. its for benefit of canada..