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Is it better to file with a NON-ACCOMPYING DEPENDANT or NOT

ashleighash

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Hi guys, does anyone know if it helps or hurts the case if you do not file your under 18 defendants that are non accompanying.

In example, my husband has a son here from a previous marriage, does not see the child, nor wants too. Would it be better to just put him on the application and a letter explaining why we were not able to get the medical and photos (as the mother is non cooperative) or would it just be in our best interest to leave the child completely out of the application and send a letter stating that as well !!

Thanks in advance for your help guys !
 
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iarblue

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If you do not include him and for some reason down the road that they get together and he wants to sponsor him if he is not included on the app he will never be admissable.Your best bet is add him as non acompanying and put a note as to why you have no info for him.
But you cant leave out anything in an app you are suppose to be truthfull right so if he has a son even though they dont speak blah blah blah add him........
 

ashleighash

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Do you know if that hurts the case, I mean the less information the worse off no
 
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iarblue

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No it wont hurt your case,you do not need medicals or photos of people bnot being sponsored it just asks for his birthdate and country of birth it does not ask for medicals or pictures of non acompanying people.Your reading it wrong he just has to put his info on
 

javcil

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Mar 18, 2010
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App. Filed.......
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AOR Received.
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File Transfer...
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Med's Done....
11/12/2009
Interview........
21/04/2010
Passport Req..
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If you are being sponsored as a member of the family class, your spouse or common-law partner (except where your spouse or common-law partner is the sponsor) must be included in your application as a family member. You must also include all your dependent children from your current and previous relationships, whether they will be going with you to Canada (accompanying family members) or not (non-accompanying family members).
Note that the visa office will not issue permanent resident visas to family members whom you identify as not accompanying you to Canada.
All your family members, whether accompanying you or not, must be declared on your application and be examined. If family members are not examined, it is generally not possible to sponsor them at a later date. This includes children in the custody of a former spouse or common-law partner.
In addition, failure to declare family members on your application and have them examined goes against your duty to provide truthful and accurate information, and may cause you to be found inadmissible to Canada.

Who must undergo a medical examination
You and all your family members who are not already Canadian citizens or permanent residents must undergo and pass a medical examination, whether they will be joining you in Canada or not.
Members of the family class include:
•spouse
•common-law partner
•conjugal partner
dependent children
 

ashleighash

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and now the ever so common question, WHAT IF the son and mother are NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
 

javcil

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Mar 18, 2010
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Canada
Category........
Visa Office......
Ankara
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
16/01/2010
AOR Received.
01/03/2010
File Transfer...
04/02/2010
Med's Done....
11/12/2009
Interview........
21/04/2010
Passport Req..
21/04/2010
VISA ISSUED...
22/04/2010
LANDED..........
16/07/2010
There was another thread here about that situation not too long ago ... just trying to find it.
 

ashleighash

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Probably mine, because I`ve been receiving so many different conflicting answers. I guess my best bet is to Contact a lawyer here, as I`m sure every country has their own lawyer and guidelines to follow.
 
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iarblue

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My wifes mother will not be coming to Canada at anytime and i did not have to get pictures or medicals for her or even her brother for that matter.
 

javcil

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Mar 18, 2010
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Canada
Category........
Visa Office......
Ankara
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
16/01/2010
AOR Received.
01/03/2010
File Transfer...
04/02/2010
Med's Done....
11/12/2009
Interview........
21/04/2010
Passport Req..
21/04/2010
VISA ISSUED...
22/04/2010
LANDED..........
16/07/2010
They don't want pics/medicals for parents or siblings. Those family members only have to be listed on the Additional Family Information form. They DO want them for dependent children however.
 
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iarblue

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11.
NON-ACCOMPANYING FAMILY MEMBERS DECLARATION
If you have family members who do not intend to emigrate to Canada with you, you must submit a notarized statutory declaration with your application which:
•identifies these family members and their relationship to you;
•states your intention to proceed to Canada without them; and
•indicates whether or not you wish these persons to retain eligibility to be sponsored by you once you have settled in Canada.
Note: Non-accompanying family members are still required to successfully meet immigration medical and security standards at the same time as you. They will retain eligibility to be sponsored by you as a member of the Family Class once you have settled in Canada for as long as they are your:
•spouse,
•common-law partner, or
•dependent children
as defined in the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act and Regulations.
If you have non-accompanying family members who are either a spouse from whom you are legally separated or your children who are not in your legal custody, it is not necessary for them to be examined. However, if they are not examined at the time of your application, you will not be able to sponsor them at any time in the future.
 
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iarblue

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Like i said ash if in the future they may start to have a relationship and want to come to Canada you must include thes now but if he is not ever oming to canada under a sponsorship and she is not willing to give you these mention him and put the letter stating that the ex wife will not consent to the medicals or pictures and that you understand that it will make him inadmissable for sponsorship at a later date
Meaning he can never be sponsored by your husband.ok
 

javcil

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Mar 18, 2010
101
4
Canada
Category........
Visa Office......
Ankara
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
16/01/2010
AOR Received.
01/03/2010
File Transfer...
04/02/2010
Med's Done....
11/12/2009
Interview........
21/04/2010
Passport Req..
21/04/2010
VISA ISSUED...
22/04/2010
LANDED..........
16/07/2010
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english//resources/manuals/op/op02-eng.pdf

Check page 11 and 12 regarding inability to obtain medicals etc.
 
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iarblue

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5.10. Non-accompanying family members
Applicants must declare all family members when applying for a visa and must again declare all
family members, whether accompanying or not, prior to obtaining permanent resident
status. Permanent residents who did not declare all their family members on their application are
reportable under A44(1) [see also “Sponsor who may be subject to an A44(1) report” (section 10.5
below) and “Misrepresentation” (section 5.22 below)]. In addition, all family members, whether
accompanying or not, must be examined, unless the appropriate officer determines that they are
not required by the Act or the former Act to examine the family member [R117(10)]. Family
members who were not declared and examined are excluded from the family class and may not
be sponsored at a later date as per R117(9)(d) unless R117(10) applies.
Non-accompanying family members must undergo medical examinations. They must also
establish that they are not inadmissible for criminal or security reasons. If the requirement for
minimum necessary income is applicable, sponsors must demonstrate that they can support all
family members, including non-accompanying family members.
Non-accompanying family members need not be in possession of a passport or travel document.
5.11. Inadmissibility and non-accompanying family members
All family members, whether accompanying the principal applicant or not, are required to be
examined unless an officer decides otherwise. Normally, an inadmissible family member, whether
accompanying or not, would render the principal applicant inadmissible. There are, however, two
exceptions to this rule described in R23. The first is the separated spouse of the applicant and the
second is where a child of the applicant who is in the legal custody of someone other than the
applicant or an accompanying family member of the applicant, or where someone other than the
applicant or accompanying family member of the applicant is empowered to act on behalf of that
child by virtue of a court order or written agreement or by operation of law.
If an applicant’s separated spouse or their children who are in the custody of someone else are
inadmissible, their inadmissibility would not render the applicant inadmissible. Because separated
spouses can reconcile and custody arrangements for children may change, examination is
required in order to safeguard the future right to sponsor them in the family class. If these family
members are not examined, they cannot be sponsored in the family class in the future under
R117(9)(d) unless R117(10) applies.
Satisfactory documentary proof of a separation and of custody being with someone other than the
applicant is required. A separation agreement or custody papers are examples of acceptable
proof.
Officers will not issue a permanent resident visa to separated spouses, common-law partners or
children in the custody of someone else, even if they are examined. This is because separated
spouses and partners are not members of the family class as per R117(9)(c) and because
children in the custody of someone else are non-accompanying family members.
OP 2 Processing Members of the Family Class
2006-11-14 12
If these family members are genuinely unavailable or unwilling to be examined, the consequences
of not having them examined should be clearly explained to the applicant and reflected in the
CAIPS notes. Officers may wish to have applicants sign a statutory declaration indicating they
understand the consequences of failing to have the family member examined.
See also section 5.12, Exclusion from membership in the Family Class – R117(9)(d), R117(10)
and R117(11) below.
 

ashleighash

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May 16, 2010
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Wow guys thanks for the GREAT Information. I think what we will do is put him down as a dependant and then get a lawyer to draft up a legal document stating

A: We do not plan to sponsor the child in the future
B: The Mother will not consent to a Medical Exam for the Child
C...ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHATELSE I COULD WRITE IN THIS LETTER

You guys have been a blessing !

xo