Is Canada Worth It?

[_696_]

Is Canada worth it? well that depends on what you can do, where you plan to settle, how adaptable you are, and an endless list of etceteras which makes me reluctant to even try to attempt to ask this question.

Besides, and amongst many other minor tweaks, imho Canada should ask for Academic IELTS band 8+ and up for those applying with certificates that would (at least) have them required same or similar score on an Academic one were they to study in an English speaking University/College to get those certificates. General I.E.L.T.S. random score is rather low and unrealistic for professionals.

Not only that could help Canada, companies hiring immigrants get the right candidates for the appropriate positions, but mostly, the immigrants themselves, get the jobs they think they deserve or are looking forward when aiming for Canada [or for the matter, any other country / language].

 

[_696_]

...... Canadian idea of rubbishing the professional immigrants with the Canadian experience and education.
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The Canadian experience..... la...la...la... BIG LOL. Wtf does it REALLY means? go study some mock bullshit course in there, work as a garbage can dumper for at least a few months on a W Visa, then come back to your country, apply for FSW with your real education, Phds and hells, get a bunch more of points now because you've already been there, done it, and now we know you already gotten the hang of it?

 

[sergealex]

The Canadian experience..... la...la...la... BIG LOL. Wtf does it REALLY means

I believe the post was about the job requirements for the landed immigrants ( the underestimation internationally gained education and of those professionals with the lack of canadian work experience), and not about the assessment factors of FSW immigration.

 

[David_TVO]

Dear Sergealex,

Do I have your permission to post a portion of your comments to our immigration blog:
http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=3&action=blog&subaction=viewPost&post_id=14228&blog_id=323

Your comments would appear something like this.

Forum: CANADAVISA.COM - Author: Sergealex[/b]

At least for MDs highly restrictive job requirements in the branch is the reason, including the "regulated" nature of almost all medical occupations, making employment very tough matter. But not a language level, as the language proficiency alone is way too less than enough. Do you really think language level matters if there are only under 200 positions for medical postgraduate training offered for the whole Canada? Almost all the places are immediately occupied by fresh graduates from Canadian universities. What would change if foreign MD graduates driving taxis switch to something else, like the other kind of customer service where the language skills are more required...

I suppose the main problem of Canadian immigration policy is that Canada with its social policy has maintained conservative traditions of employment, providing more the job market protection from fresh immigrants other than guaranteeing equal employment opportunities for fresh FSW immigrants. There are only few branches excluded, like IT or nursing maybe because of high demand in those niches.


Let me know if this would be okay.

David
Voices of New Canadians Web Series
http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=3&action=blog&subaction=viewPost&post_id=14228&blog_id=323

 

[deva]

Dear future immigrants,
I am always tryining to inform you about what is going on in the health sector in Canada. I have previously posted different topics regarding the existing attitude towards the medical professionals and doctors. There is a group which has decided to keep the foreign trained doctors away from practice. This group is very strong both politically and financially. There are other people who are try to solve this problem because the doctor shortage in Canada put Canada in the 22nd position out of 24 developed countries because of its poor doctor patient ratio according to a recently published article by Fraser Institute. Today I am siting from a recent newspaper article which shows the authority is trying to give the pharmacists the duty of doctors:


Use foreign-trained doctors


THE GAZETTE MARCH 17, 2011


Re: "Pharmacists want power to change prescriptions" (Gazette, March 15).
This is another example of the gaffes made by our politicians and professionals in attempting to correct a serious problem in our health system. They are trying to find new and "workable" solutions while the best, but untried, one is right under their noses.
The problem with the latest proposal is that the College of Physicians is worried, and rightly so, about giving pharmacists the right to diagnose minor ailments and order laboratory tests or prescribe medication.
In all this, I wonder why the same college is keeping many foreign-trained doctors out of emergency wards and clinics where they are so desperately needed. Surely the diagnosis of an ailment in Quebec would be the same as in a foreign country. These foreign doctors, while working under the supervision of a resident doctor, can examine a patient, make a diagnosis and then ask the resident doctor to authorize the prescription or lab-test request.
The needed doctors are out there doing all kinds of jobs other than practising their profession. The time has come to make proper use of them so as to prevent our health system from nosediving further down into disarray.
Nick Furfaro Laval

Read more:http://www.montrealgazette.com/health/foreign+trained+doctors/4453245/story.html#ixzz1GxioslhU

 

[ankipanki]

I think one of the topics was missed in this series... the permanent residents don't get health insurance for the first 3 months in Canada despite being eligible for it. They have to invest extra amount with private insurance companies to get the temporary insurance for these months. This money can be utilised by the immigrants at surviving in initial months instead of paying for something they r eligible for but will not get before certain timeline.

I think the Canadian govt should look into this & as a welcoming gesture provide the medical insurance effective from the first day in Canada. As far as getting the cards is a concern, E cards can be introduced for faster & easier process.

 

[_696_]

Yeah thats a good point, they treat in most cases [Alberta being the exception afaik, with day 1 INS] newly landed immigrants as much as they would treat a Canadian citizen moving from province to province, the difference being that the Canadian citizen/PR would get those 3 months covered by the the insurance of the one s/he's coming from.

 

[Leon]

I think one of the topics was missed in this series... the permanent residents don't get health insurance for the first 3 months in Canada despite being eligible for it.

This depends on the rules of the health care of the province you settle in. In all provinces, the base rule is that you are not eligible for health care until you have lived there for 3 months. If you are moving from another province, you would be able to use your health care card from there until you are covered in your new province so it would not really matter to you.

In most provinces, there are also exceptions to this waiting period made for people who are moving from another country. The only provinces that don't have such exceptions are BC, ON, NB and QC. QC makes exceptions for pregnancy, childbirth and victims of violence.

This is also not just for PR's. If you are a Canadian citizen who has lived in another country long enough to lose your health care and you move to one of the 4 provinces that don't give exceptions to the waiting period, you would also have to wait 3 months to get coverage.

 

[bijupv007]

PERFECTLY said buddy

+ 1 from me

Biju

Is Canada Worth It? Isn't it a rhetorical question? Is the number of applications not evidence?

In my humble opinion:
Global move of masses of people from places with fewer opportunities to places with more opportunities is inevitable and unavoidable.
Therefore, a smart government would let in more sought-after candidates first.
However, the barrier should be realistic. Obviously there are trade-offs.
If it is set too high (sure, Nobel laureates are preferred ), next thing you see all kind of people literally climbing over the fence. I mean literally, like from Mexico to the States. It is actually ridiculous to have more chance to win green-card with DV lottery than to get it being on H1-B already in the country.

It is very promising to see that the recent suggestions show opening of the immigration authorities' eyes .
No matter what education and experience you have the very first skills you need for Canada (or any other country for that matter) is LANGUAGE.
All those medical specialists driving taxis in Toronto could not (or would not, or did not want to) pass exam, first of all, because of inadequate level of language.
This is the biggest mistake you can make thinking "oh, it's OK, with experience and education when that person in Canada, he/she will improve his/her English/French here".
I would go so far to suggest making it mandatory:
Language (let's say English) – having less than 7 is not enough, so IELTS 7+ (for each part L-R-W-S), higher point for 8.5+, REGARDLESS of Academic or General Training. Canada will get people who speak very good English (or French).
And:
Education - high-school is not enough, at least Technical School or Bachelor, much higher point for PhD. Canada will get smarter people.
Experience - currently, at least one year and maximum for 4+, is adequate.

Further:
Age - minimum age 20, maximum points before 35, no points after 40. Canada will get people with enough years to earn pension.
Adaptability - for spouse the same minimum for language, education, experience and age, plus extra points for affidavit of support from at least 3 (maybe even 5, the more the better) people, anybody, not only relative. Canada will get people with spouses who will not be a drag to the main applicant. And will indirectly make sure the person will get well in Canada and not regret the move since those people know that person better than any immigration officer.

And:
Current list 29 without IT specialists is just nonsense. Let me repeat in other words- IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.
Make it, maybe even 290 by including IT, all kind of hi-tech technicians, engineers and designers. Canada will get larger pull of specialists making even bigger advantage for manufacturing goods with higher added value. Otherwise sit and wait for India and China to do those products for you. Like those high-speed trains, for example.

Funds: the currents table is very realistic.

Another important detail: make decision making period of from one to two years. Not less than one year, to prevent people from making hasty decision. But not more than two, be humane. Let people plan their lives.

In conclusion - let my people go! (or actually come, to Canada )

 

[slavasz]

I never said so. But I bet you many examinations including IELTS is not a means of confirminng a person ability of the language.

I insist scoring high at IELTS exam does not mean the person have a very sound usage of the language. QED!

Inasmuch as I agree with some of your views, I disagree with IELTS. Using a form of examination to test ability does not mean that the process is da best.

Caveat though, am not saying it is totally wrong but it is the best possible they can at least used in selecting applicant but too much emphasis should not be put on it.

Bill gates was a dropped out of a formal educational Institution but yet the same skool is using his products to teach other scholars. I know of many Accountants, who never passed the professional accountant course (Though have academics quali. in accounting) and who sets mock exams for students of same professional bodies.

Are you aware that before now, writing explanation of the use of Language is accepted in place of IELTS? But IELTS became criteria when the number of application jumped up?

On a final note, are you saying that having a high score of 9.0 in IELTS would mean getting employment in Canada? Or are there no immigrants with super scores in IELTS who are yet working as unskilled labours? IELTS is not da issue but the Canadian idea of rubbishing the professional immigrants with the Canadian experience and education.

Yes, you did not say those words, but you implied that IELTS is no means of confirming a person’s ability of the language. If not then what is? Written explanation? Indeed if you take IELTS you will realize that it is all about that.That is why people design tests. You can disagree and insist all you want (it is your right to express your opinion) but majority begs to differ. You can check http://www.ielts.org/default.aspx IELTS is recognised by more than 6000 institutions in over 135 countries They can't be all wrong. Can they?
That is why IELTS is mandatory replacing “written explanation” even for native speakers. I guess immigration officers were wasting a lot of time trying to “test” those “papers”. Finally they realized - why bother when there is a body doing just that and “recognised by more than 6000 institutions in over 135 countries.”
I wonder what is your IELTS score?

“Bill Gates” example as of an individual with exceptional qualities in FSW is well stipulated in OP6 as Substituted Evaluation. Which can be, by the way, negative too.

About “Accountants… have academics quail(fications) in accounting” – in order to get those quail(fications) they had to take tests Didn’t they?

I am saying again and again that having 7+ IELTS gives one much better chance of getting a better job and less chance to be confined to ethnic ghetto. However, 7+ is not a guaranty on securing employment. No Master’s degree, no PhD. Actually nothing is for that matter. Same as buckling your safety belt – gives much higher chance of surviving car accident, but not a guaranty.

"Or are there no immigrants with super scores in IELTS who are yet working as unskilled labours?" – please show us the statistics.

"IELTS is not da issue but the Canadian idea of rubbishing the professional immigrants with the Canadian experience and education." – actually it is the same and only issue of FSW, adaptability, as in having better chances (again, not guaranty) of establishing him/herself in Canada. It is not "rubbishing" but setting priorities.

 

[odin2404]

The moot point is simple:

If you think it's worth it = GO

if Not = Well you should really not be in a Canada Visa Forum but hey, here you are, so withdraw your app.

Please don't fall into a discussion over some sensationalist TV show ... disparaging comments aired in Canada by potential immigrants may harm all those waiting.

 

[Baloo]

Please don't fall into a discussion over some sensationalist TV show ... disparaging comments aired in Canada by potential immigrants may harm all those waiting.

It may also be the case that potential immigrants are made aware of problems that they may have to face - so the program would be educational, not sensationalist.

 

[David_TVO]

The moot point is simple:

If you think it's worth it = GO

if Not = Well you should really not be in a Canada Visa Forum but hey, here you are, so withdraw your app.

Please don't fall into a discussion over some sensationalist TV show ... disparaging comments aired in Canada by potential immigrants may harm all those waiting.

What "sensationalist TV show" are you referring to. The Agenda or are you referring to another program?
David
Voices of New Canadians Web Series
http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=3&action=blog&subaction=viewPost&post_id=14228&blog_id=323

 

[Baloo]

What "sensationalist TV show" are you referring to. The Agenda or are you referring to another program?

"The Agenda" - Sensational, not sensationalist.

 

[David_TVO]

Thanks Ballo, very kind. But, I am interested to know if odin2404 thought our videos were "sensational"


David
Voices of New Canadians Web Series
http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=3&action=blog&subaction=viewPost&post_id=14228&blog_id=323