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heybrucie

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just a background: 4 years ago, i met my husband/sponsor while i was a temporary worker in canada. his family conspired to get me arrested for false criminal allegations as an effort to end our relationship. i lost my worker's permit. the judge dropped the charges a year later. i continued pursuing my husband despite discouragement from the police, the DA, my family and basically every stranger i speak to about it. people ceaselessly say this relationship will never work.

anyway, my husband and i eloped. we rented an apartment and hid from everyone because everyone's against the marriage. since i had no legal status in canada i decided to go back home to do the outland spousal sponsorship application. 2 years later i got in and my husband doesn't have a job so he made me stay at his parents' home. i didnt want to due to common sense, but he kept tellin me how the reason why i dont want to must be because i want to leave him the moment i step into Canada. which is totally not the case!!! he was also saying how his siblings and friends have all the luxury...and he wants to save money by living at hisparents so he can keep up with that. im really uninterested with that because i was raised with simple standards, but he keeps coming up with reasons to live at his parents'.

after a few days of niceness, my mother in law started nitpicking my every move. she said i don't wash enough dishes, i'm mixing up the pots with the pans, i spray on too mcuh perfume, and all those petty stuff. every week, i even cleaned the bathroom. i did all the dishes consistently as well... her house is actually so messy to think she's a plain house wife.

my husband took back $100 rent from his parents so they started hiding the food and bottled water. i was concerned about her cause she's isolated and maybe that's why it's affecting her attitude so one day i asked her if she wanted my free pass at Goodlife so she can do activities with other people, like by takin zumba classes, and she totally took that chance to cause a fight. I kept asking her why she took offense in that and she kept evading the question and she just went crazy... She just really wanted a reason to kick us out.

SO we left.

My husband doesn't have a job. He's been slacking, making all sorts of reason not to work. He wants a job where he can do nothing and just use his phone. When his car breaks down, he refuses to take the bus. Last time his motor died, my parents gave him money to replace it, and he bought a new car with the money instead. He is too picky. Right now my parents from the Philippines are sending me money and they gave me a few $1000's for startup money in case sh*t hits the fan.


I've been here for not even 3 weeks and I already have a job....and I'm looking to do another part-time because my husband has expensive needs... He doesn't wanna rent a basement, he wants an apartment, which right now we're not even qualified for... I need to find a good career someday because he has unrealistic wants. I don't even know how I'll survive because I'm mentally and physically tired... Without his aunt, I'll be so hungry and thirsty. So right now we're slumming it up at his aunt's house, who has always been a reasonable and understanding relative.

Now, I love my husband despite his inability to be a normal human being, but I can't really do my thing right now because he's getting in the way of my decisions...In the past 4 years all the major decisions in our life were all made by him. He's 22 years old... Yes, I'm retarded for letting him be the primary decision maker, but I didn't have status, no money and he guilt trips me like crazy...

What do I do right now? I'm tired of slumming it up because he can't provide for me and he keeps putting me in risky situations. I'm sick of it. What am I gonna do? Like I think he's sufering from depression or something cause he has no motivation to do anything and he feels tired even when he does is nothing. He shouts like hell and curses so much when I try to bring up something about his behaviour, job, money or whatever. Like this sucks man and there's a condition on my PR saying I have to cohabitate with him, but he cant even affordwhere he wants to live and he doesnt wanna work or anything and I want to be left alone right now because thats the best way I can save money because I dont have expensive needs.
 

heybrucie

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What does condition 51 exactly mean? I wanna rent with roommates so this would mean we would have to live separately. He has high standards and I can't afford where he wants to live. He doesn't have a job. He's picky. His aunt has helped us enough and I would much rather just live on my own and be more flexible since I won't have to rely on my husband for the major decisions. I am older than him by 7 years but he's totally dominating me with the serious decisions and it's really holding us back.
 

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heybrucie said:
What does condition 51 exactly mean?
It means you need to live with him for 2 years after you became a permanent resident if you want to be sure you can keep your own PR status.
 

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heybrucie said:
What does condition 51 exactly mean? I wanna rent with roommates so this would mean we would have to live separately. He has high standards and I can't afford where he wants to live. He doesn't have a job. He's picky. His aunt has helped us enough and I would much rather just live on my own and be more flexible since I won't have to rely on my husband for the major decisions. I am older than him by 7 years but he's totally dominating me with the serious decisions and it's really holding us back.
You must cohabit with him for 2 years. Him being "irresponsible" is irrelevant. The only way to avoid condition 51 is if you can prove that you were a victim of abuse. Read here for details on Condition 51: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/bulletins/2012/ob480.asp

You moving out and living with roommates basically means you would be separated from your spouse. And since this has happened so close to you getting your PR, it may look to CIC that you just wanted PR status here as you are moving out so quickly (despite what your initial intentions were). Remember the only reason you are in Canada now is because he sponsored you, so if you are no longer in a real relationship with him and/or not living together the expectation is you will not need your PR status anymore.
 

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You met your husband when he was 18 and got married than?

I think he's still maturing. You have to understand he's lived in Canada I'm guessing all his life. He doesn't understand sub-standard living unless he's travelled the world or doesn't have his parents housing/supporting him. It's difficult to go from driving cars to taking buses. Sounds like he wants keep up with the jone's. Best way to solve his problems is to remove his support and let him try to make it on his own. If he truely loves you he will try to find a job.
 

heybrucie

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The thing is I can't live where he wants to live. I can only afford a run down basementat most. I'm moving to Mississauga and he said he would have to get a new case worker for ODSP if we leave Brampton (GTA, Ontario). and he doesn't want that. The last time we rented a basement, he had a problem with the driveway and everything. he's making me live at relative's and eventually we don't get along. Right now, his aunt's house. He doesn't wanna work. My COPR arrived last year. I just landed 2 weeks ago. he had enough time to prepare... Now he wants to just go to college so he can keep receiving ODSP. Btw, he doesn't know what he wants to do in college. He gets upset when we talk about it. He just really wants to go to college so he doesn't have to work and he can continually receive ODSP payments.

I used to think his parents were just trying to turn me off when they said he's mentally delayed but I believe it now. When we left, all he cried about was how his mother broke his phone and how she also took his gold bracelet. He didnt see the much larger problem.

By the way, I take the bus and even other privileged Canadians do that. His parents are immigrants and they came here slumming it up at his aunt's as well. He's also traveled to poor countries.
 

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heybrucie said:
The thing is I can't live where he wants to live.
Condition 51 requires you to live with him for the first two years. You will have to find a way to make this work if you want to ensure you can keep your PR status. No matter how you explain your situation - this is still going to be the answer.

FYI - some of the language you are using in your posts may be interpreted as offensive / racist. Please consider your language more carefully in the future or you may find yourself reported to the moderator of this forum.
 

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scylla said:
FYI - some of the language you are using in your posts may be interpreted as offensive / racist. Please consider your language more carefully in the future or you may find yourself reported to the moderator of this forum.
+1
 

heybrucie

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Rob_TO said:
You must cohabit with him for 2 years. Him being "irresponsible" is irrelevant. The only way to avoid condition 51 is if you can prove that you were a victim of abuse. Read here for details on Condition 51: [link removed]
You moving out and living with roommates basically means you would be separated from your spouse. And since this has happened so close to you getting your PR, it may look to CIC that you just wanted PR status here as you are moving out so quickly (despite what your initial intentions were). Remember the only reason you are in Canada now is because he sponsored you, so if you are no longer in a real relationship with him and/or not living together the expectation is you will not need your PR status anymore.

He's totally jealous of his brother cause he received dowry from his future parents in law. Like he was asking for dowry after 2 years of marriage. In the old days, it's done before the wedding. It's now also an illegal practice in India. Plus we're froma different culture. My parents didn't want to pay. But he was totally demanding dowry from my parents. He wants the house and he thinks my parents are gonna give that house to me when they're dead. I don't even care cause I want my parents to live long.
 

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heybrucie said:
Rob:

My parents have been struggling in the Philippines trying to give me money. You know why? My husband keeps criticizing my parents saying they only want us to struggle. I want to keep him happy so I told my parents to just give him what he wants. My dad's a contractual engineer. He earns project to project. His current project is widening the toll gates or whatever and after that he will have no job again. My mom's a librarian. They're both retired but they took new jobs for me and my husband.

My husband even said my parentssold one of their houses and gave the money to my sister, while they can't sell their other house to give the money to me cause he's totally jealous of his brother cause he received dowry from his future parents in law. Like he was asking for dowry after 2 years of marriage. In the old days, it's done before the wedding. It's now also an illegal practice in India. Plus we're froma different culture. My parents didn't want to pay. But he was totally demanding dowry from my parents. He wants the house and he thinks my parents are gonna give that house to me when they're dead. I don't even care cause I want my parents to live long.
All of this is irrelevant. If you separate from your sponsor by moving out, then you will essentially have no more family ties to Canada so CIC will expect you to return to your home country to be with your family.
 

heybrucie

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So how can I live with him if he's too picky? He has high standards. How can I make it work with an illogical and impractical person? I'm trying to take 2 jobs. Not even 1 month in Canada.He's lived in Canada forever and he doesnt wanna work...

I've not even been 1 month here and I already spoke with the police. His mother is a crazy woman. I can't stand these people and he keeps putting me in risky situations.

He's too paranoid. He sees a cop car and he thinks his old ass ricer is suspect to cops. This car needs so much repairing and he doesnt wanna get rid of it.

He took in the responsibility of taking in a foreigner. I keep trusting this guy. 4 years ago, he introducedme to his whole damn family after 1 month of knowing me and 1 week later they put me in jail... Now, he took me back to his parents' house to live n now we have nowhere to live...

Like the guy doesnt wanna work and we have nowhere to live and he wont settle for somewhere less than lux. I'm tied with his impossible wants and he'sgonna drain my parents' money if I continue living with him.
 

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heybrucie said:
So how can I live with him if he's too picky? He has high standards. How can I make it work with an illogical and impractical person? I'm trying to take 2 jobs. Not even 1 month in Canada.He's lived in Canada forever and he doesnt wanna work...

I've not even been 1 month here and I already spoke with the police. His mother is a crazy woman. I can't stand these people and he keeps putting me in risky situations.
Again, that's up to you to sort out.
 

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If you really can't stay with him then one option would be to officially give up your PR status, leave Canada and return home.

If you decide to stop living with him but remain in Canada, then you need to be aware that you'll be in violation of Condition 51. This means CIC may decide to revoke your PR status and order you to leave.
 

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If you can't live with him then why are you married to him??
Obviously something isn't right in this 'relationship', if it was me, I wouldn't care where I was, I'd want to be happy. Even if that means starting all over again and meeting the right person. If you don't do anything about it, you really shouldn't complain.....people have already warned you.
Just my 2 cents, I know everyone won't agree with me but hey that's why we are all allowed our opinions.

Good Luck!!! Life is too short to be miserable (trust me I know).
 

heybrucie

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AladdinsGirl said:
If you can't live with him then why are you married to him??
Obviously something isn't right in this 'relationship', if it was me, I wouldn't care where I was, I'd want to be happy. Even if that means starting all over again and meeting the right person. If you don't do anything about it, you really shouldn't complain.....people have already warned you.
Just my 2 cents, I know everyone won't agree with me but hey that's why we are all allowed our opinions.

Good Luck!!! Life is too short to be miserable (trust me I know).
When my family disowned me, he was my only friend.