IRCC 2022-2023 Plans ATIP

[wksj]

It took them 110 days to send this, because they had to disinfect each digital letter one by one from Covid-19!

Full document: https://docdro.id/h4pmWq9

 

[wink]

Thanks for following it up and posting the report.

Looks like plan for 2022-23 is still to process paper applications more compared to e-apps. Just that looks like it increased from 2% to 11% for the year.

Looks like online applications still need to wait longer than paper applications for the foreseeable future, if I understand the report correctly.

 

[nlhugh]

Additionally, should an announcement be made around the Government's commitment to
eliminate citizenship fees, there is likely to be an impact on intake and inventory volumes. At
this time, it is too early to predict whether there will be any impact on volumes in FY 2022/23

What a joke. This has been on Liberal platform since 2019 election campaign.

A re-elected Liberal government will:

• Make the application process free for permanent residents who have fulfilled the requirements needed to obtain it.

https://liberal.ca/our-platform/eliminating-citizenship-application-fees-for-permanent-residents

When you guys get the rights to vote, please make Trudeau a full time clown again.

 

[wink]

@dpenabill , are still planning to gaslight the people in this forum in this topic? It is clear that e-apps not a priority.

 

[wink]

I don't understand this "modified FIFO model" fully. I don't think it is explained adequately in the report. If anyone else understood it better, please do a english to english translation here. If I understand correctly, there is still two queues: one for paper-apps and other queue for e-apps. They would pull out apps from paper-queue mostly and once a while they would pull out an app from e-apps queue. maybe?

 

[trumprefugee]

I don't understand this "modified FIFO model" fully. I don't think it is explained adequately in the report. If anyone else understood it better, please do a english to english translation here. If I understand correctly, there is still two queues: one for paper-apps and other queue for e-apps. They would pull out apps from paper-queue mostly and once a while they would pull out an app from e-apps queue. maybe?

2nd bullet point: for FY 2021-2022 (Apr 2021-Mar 2022), the goal was to process 5000 online applications for the year only. So aside from these 5000 online applications, priority was given to paper applications.

3rd bullet point: proposal for FY 2022-2023 (Apr 2022-Mar 2023): continue the FY 2021-2022 strategy of prioritizing paper applications (in the name of clearing paper backlog), aside from a targeted number of online applications. The number is not specified, so it might be 5000 or it might be more or possibly less. Edited to add: it appears from page 7 that the FY 2021-2022 target of online applications processed is 32,000.

Also, by "process" and "decision", they seem to be referring to processing applications until Decision Made stage (i.e., time from DM to oath is not part of their "processing" or "decision" time)

 

[sahibo]

Only 11% of total DM for FY2022-2023 will be reserved for online applicants. WTF!?

Since they are clearly prioritizing paper applicants, I wonder if I should cancel my online application and re-apply on paper...

 

[skner2022]

Those who are saying there is no evidence that paper applications are slower than E-applications are naive and stupid. E-applicants are hopeless.

 

[dpenabill]

@dpenabill , are still planning to gaslight the people in this forum in this topic? It is clear that e-apps not a priority.

I do not gaslight. It is total horse pucky to claim I do. I make a concerted effort to actually read sources for what they actually say.

While there are many nuances among other details and factors to consider if fully assessing how things are going, one salient sample from the recently shared information, quote:

In May 2022, processing times for e-apps rose to 14 months while paper continued at 27 months. While e-app processing times have increased, the DN has plans to render decision on more e-apps than required by the monthly targets, which may aid in managing processing times.​

Efforts to confuse, mislead, misinform, and harass anyone who disagrees will undoubtedly persist. But no advanced degrees in linear algebra necessary to know that a 14 month processing timeline is faster than 27 months, and this does not in any way signal that paper applications are given priority processing over e-apps.

 

[firstax]

Wow, we are in for a long ride. You wonder why IRCC cant just make reasonable temporary changes to speed up applications. They once mention self administered oath and e-certificates. This could shave off a few weeks or even months from processing times. And from what I read they are having issues with the size of zoom oath ceremonies. I'm pretty sure they can easily start doing in person ceremonies plus online ceremonies to reduce the times people are waiting for oath. All of these is happening because old bureaucrats at IRCC refused to adapt during the pandemic. They just sent staff home and kept paying them full salaries and did nothing for 2 years. Lots of us had to keep working whether in person or from home or hybrid style. We didn't just stay home and get full pay. If IRCC wants to eliminate paper backlogs why are they still accepting new apps?

 

[firstax]

I do not gaslight. It is total horse pucky to claim I do. I make a concerted effort to actually read sources for what they actually say.

While there are many nuances among other details and factors to consider if fully assessing how things are going, one salient sample from the recently shared information, quote:

In May 2022, processing times for e-apps rose to 14 months while paper continued at 27 months. While e-app processing times have increased, the DN has plans to render decision on more e-apps than required by the monthly targets, which may aid in managing processing times.​

Efforts to confuse, mislead, misinform, and harass anyone who disagrees will undoubtedly persist. But no advanced degrees in linear algebra necessary to know that a 14 month processing timeline is faster than 27 months, and this does not in any way signal that paper applications are given priority processing over e-apps.

They are just adding the time of most files that were waiting pre-pandemic shutdown. I hope you are smart to understand nuances. Lets say 100 people who applied on paper are waiting on IRCC then pandemic happens, so 50 people apply during the shutdown on paper and 50 apply during the shutdown online. Even if both are processed at the same speed, the paper applicants would appear to have a longer processing time than the online apps. But you should also consider that a lot of people are waiting forever since before the pandemic.
How do you explain May 2022 paper apps already received their citizenship certificate while Jan 2022 are just getting first ghost updates and test invites?

 

[trumprefugee]

They are just adding the time of most files that were waiting pre-pandemic shutdown. I hope you are smart to understand nuances. Lets say 100 people who applied on paper are waiting on IRCC then pandemic happens, so 50 people apply during the shutdown on paper and 50 apply during the shutdown online. Even if both are processed at the same speed, the paper applicants would appear to have a longer processing time than the online apps. But you should also consider that a lot of people are waiting forever since before the pandemic.
How do you explain May 2022 paper apps already received their citizenship certificate while Jan 2022 are just getting first ghost updates and test invites?

Exactly. Paper applications are at a 27 month average because they include almost all the 2020 and all prior ones, which were all paper because the online application wasn't rolled out until December 2020. December 2020 online applications were the only online applications that were prioritized. Average processing time for 2020 applications seems to be 2+ years, and average 2019 applications are 3+ years. 2021 paper applications seem to be at an average of maybe 10-12 months. That all roughly averages out to a bit over 2 years, or 27 months.

Aside from the December 2020 applications, I would say, based on what I've been seeing on these forums, that 14 months from submission to DM seems about right for online applications (which cover January 2021 onward).

To make a fair comparison of average paper vs online application processing speeds, you would need to consider only 2021 and 2022 applications. Online 2021 applications are around 14 months, while paper 2021 applications 10-12 months, and paper 2022 4-6 months. And online 2022 is slow enough that it is too soon to tell what the trend is for online 2022.

 

[dpenabill]

They are just adding the time of most files that were waiting pre-pandemic shutdown. I hope you are smart to understand nuances. Lets say 100 people who applied on paper are waiting on IRCC then pandemic happens, so 50 people apply during the shutdown on paper and 50 apply during the shutdown online. Even if both are processed at the same speed, the paper applicants would appear to have a longer processing time than the online apps. But you should also consider that a lot of people are waiting forever since before the pandemic.
How do you explain May 2022 paper apps already received their citizenship certificate while Jan 2022 are just getting first ghost updates and test invites?

As I have said . . .

Well, it seems rather obvious that IRCC fell way short of doing everything it could, and fell well short of taking reasonable steps to adapt to the pandemic as it unfolded. It does indeed appear that IRCC dropped the ball, rather badly, and has continued to be painfully slow adapting and catching up. A two plus year processing timeline speaks for itself, illustrating a failure to competently adjust. After all, the grant of citizenship is NOT discretionary. IRCC has a legislated mandate to process citizenship applications and grant citizenship.

The proposition I disputed, because at best it was misleading, not just because it was self-centered me-first whining, was the claim that IRCC was prioritizing paper applications ahead of online applications. Malarkey weeks ago. Malarkey still.

I fully recognize there are nuances which make it difficult to compare outcomes, and that is indeed part of the problem, much of what is cited to support the unfounded claim that IRCC is prioritizing paper applications ahead of e-apps cites the number of cases in which individuals who made paper apps are getting to this or that next step sooner than forum reports about e-app applicants. When applications go into different processing streams, they are in queue in that stream, and yes there are often significant differences in how quickly applications proceed through this or that processing stream. It has been long known that some local offices, for example, seem to be notoriously slower than others. No prioritizing necessary, none intended, it being more about the vagaries of bureaucratic processing. But yes, of course, that is affected by things like the allocation of resources, especially human resources.

But in how resources are allocated, for example, claims that this or that local office is given priority over another, for the purpose of processing applications in one office faster than in another, are unfounded. Likewise claims that IRCC is intentionally implementing practices and allocating resources to prioritize the processing time of incoming paper applications ahead of online applications are, simply, unfounded.

Meanwhile . . . some can, and particularly in this forum there seems to be many who make a sport of it, second-guess IRCC application management policies and practices, who are certain they know better. Some whistling in the wind, others whining. Perhaps this is entertaining for some. Shrug.

No matter how deeply you dig into the nuances, overall it is easy to see IRCC has, as I have oft said, dropped-the-ball, badly, and while progress is being made, it is readily apparent IRCC is still struggling to adapt, still stumbling. So for now, and frankly for the near future plus awhile, no big mystery to solve, it is going to be slow-going for most, slow will be the rule, even if some in some way sail through faster than most. And oh yeah, there's no shortage of those who will begrudge those who benefit being among those who get to the oath remarkably fast. But for the vast majority, it is going to be slow-going, with some proceeding a little faster, some a little slower, and unfortunately probably a disconcerting number suffering a lot slower.

How slow it has been and continues is unfair. That's a different scene than those who are mischaracterizing what is happening in an effort to claim their applications should be put ahead of others.

 

[americanidiot]

When you guys get the rights to vote, please make Trudeau a full time clown again.

Out of spite? You're going to vote for PP just for that?

 

[akbardxb]

IRCC could perhaps consider a blanket freeze on all new applications (after a cut off date) till the backlog is cleared to pre Covid levels.

Maths 101 would say that if your application acceptance rate is higher than your processing rate, the backlog will continue to grow irrespective of the mode of application - digital or paper. I'm not sure if IRCC's processing capability is increasing in the same proportion as the announcement of immigration targets.