INLAND APPLICATIONS 2012

[Victorswife]

I sent it to global, cbc... globe and mail... stephen.. vancouver sun and Kenny I think that was all

 

[DGT]

Just want to point out that you're spelling Mr Kenney's name wrong. Don't forget the second E!

 

[screech339]

Jason Kenney used to say the immigration system was broken and he was going to fix it. Yet it's more broken now than when he took over in 2008.
Just about everything he has touched — and he touches a lot as minister for immigration and citizenship — is in chaos. The entire system is mired in scandalous delays. Crucially, different elements of it are working at cross-purposes.

At the micro-level, his system is a mess as well.
He froze the skilled worker program that brings educated and skilled immigrants, and tossed out 98,000 applications. He reopened it May 4 — with stricter language requirements that will effectively freeze out immigrants from many parts of the world, especially China.
The average wait time for applicants is two years but five in some locations. Five years is so long a time that labour market needs change.
He froze both the entrepreneur and investor programs.
He restricted family reunification, involving spouses and children. Processing time: 10 to 27 months.
He froze sponsorship of parents and grandparents and won't reopen it until next year. Processing time: between five and 7 1/2 years, at times 10. “My parents would be dead by then,” is the common complaint.
Kenney extended financial sponsorship responsibility to 20 years from 10 and raised the income level of sponsors. The rich are more entitled than the poor to get their elders. He has taken us back to 1907 when the federal policy was that “no person liable to become a public charge can enter Canada.”
Citizenship — perfectly legitimate cases from landed immigrants take up to three years and those flagged for whatever reason take more.
Kenney should resign or be fired.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2013/06/02/fire_jason_kenney_and_freeze_immigration_siddiqui.html

@sunsun

While I understand your frustration with immigration. It is not a perfect system. The immigration in my opinion needed an overhaul anyway. Canada is a socialist country with a lot of benefits that is the envy of the world, especially when it comes to health care. So a lot of applicants are going to apply to come to Canada regardless. This creates a huge backlog of applications over time. A lot of people thinks that when the 98,000 applications was cancelled, these people were just sitting on their ass, waiting for processing to be done like those waiting inland sponsorship. That is not true. These people fully well knew how long the timeline was going to be in order to come here. So they continued to work in their countries with the expectation of waiting many years due to backlog. These people are not at the end of their wits trying to immigrate to Canada. I wouldn’t be surprised if many of these 98,000 applicants just applied just for the sake of applying. They are not going to change their working habits just because they applied. No different from those who apply for Green Card Lotto in US.

As for the grandparents/parents, in my opinion, they should be only come in on temporary visa like everyone else. Come in as visitor with 6 months max stay. In fact the grandparents/parents sponsorship should be replaced by sibling sponsorship. Parents/grandparents who are sponsored are nothing but free babysitters and contribute nothing to the work force. They will not work, supporting the tax system that supports social programs, especially national health care. They have never contributed their whole lives and all of a sudden they get free health care. Those who say health care is not “free”, they are right. It is not free to those who work and paid their taxes. It is free to those who never worked in Canada. Our health care is under financial stress as it is, due to smaller work force supporting social programs and health care. If they want to sponsor grandparents/parents to stay, they should cover their medical costs while they are here through medical insurance. The Super Visa for them solves this problem. Sponsored siblings, on the other hand, are able to actually work and contribute to the workforce and social cost. I may be wrong here, but I think we are the only country that provides health care to those who are unemployed. Other socialist countries that provide health care, everyone pays into the system. If you don’t pay, you don’t get coverage. That is quite an attractive social program to everyone outside Canada.

As for tighter language restrictions, remember that our official languages of Canada are French and English. How many stories have we heard of people who never spoke a word of English or French their entire time in Canada. As long as they are living in ghettos communities of nationalities, they are under no pressure to learn English/French. My brother (a doctor himself) spoken about a Russian doctor who immigrated to Canada as a child, never learned English until she went to medical school. She lived in a Russian community and went to a Russian school. Thus she had no reason to learn English since everyone was speaking Russian.

While I support and welcome different cultures into Canada, first and foremost, in my opinion, is start assimilating into Canada. Become a melting pot, if you will. You came to Canada, out of your own free will. Learn our language and you will do fine.

Screech339

 

[figtoria]

I agree with screech. There have to be limits on immigration. You only need to look at the UK to see what havoc can be created by bad regulations. Their working tax base can no longer afford to keep funding their non-working population.

I think Canada is doing its best to be fair to existing citizens as well as to new immigrants.

 

[screech339]

I agree with screech. There have to be limits on immigration. You only need to look at the UK to see what havoc can be created by bad regulations. Their working tax base can no longer afford to keep funding their non-working population.

I think Canada is doing its best to be fair to existing citizens as well as to new immigrants.

@figtoria,

Good luck on your landing today. I hope it went well. Have you landed already?

Screech339

 

[canadianthrower]

Still waiting and waiting. I haven't been able to work for over 8 months. Now the health insurance I've had under my husband is going to expire at the end of the month and I won't have anything until first stage approval is done. I can't help my husband with finances, much less start a family now that I won't have any medical coverage. We sent everything in and paid for everything all at once because every place we saw said that would make the processing time faster.

CIC needs to change the processing times on their website to the actuals instead of giving new applicants false hope. We planned on the processing times being true. And when they weren't we got the 3 month extension on the medical coverage thinking surely it will be processed by then. And still nothing.

BTW...to those of you whose applications only say received, try logging in to check on your application using your sponsor's information. Instead of Application #, use the UCI #. The person being sponsored doesn't get to see as much info as the one doing the sponsoring.

 

[jiggyzealous]

Well Stephen Harper will be reshuffling his cabinet shortly. I wonder if Kenney's job is safe in light of all that's happening with his system

 

[sunsun]

@Screech

It was Not from me , I just copy paste from the Star...... ;D

How about 300.000 skilled worker applicants got refused after they waited 7 - 10 years ? Canada Immigration System is broken before year 2000 until Now.

Congratulation to all of you who just got DM and landed...especially for Screech wife.....
Thank you very much to Screech who is still in the forum even his wife has already got PR.

 

[computergeek]

Those who say health care is not “free”, they are right. It is not free to those who work and paid their taxes. It is free to those who never worked in Canada. Our health care is under financial stress as it is, due to smaller work force supporting social programs and health care.

I've been on the opposite end of this. The current immigration equation with respect to social and health services is a deeply flawed one - it doesn't look at inputs, it only looks at outgo. My original FSW application was rejected on the mere possibility that the province could pay medicine costs - and the high costs of prescription medications via the patent system are an important driver in health care costs, see https://secure.cihi.ca/free_products/health_care_cost_drivers_the_facts_en.pdf.

I had 100% employer provided coverage - enough for $68k per year in medication costs. CIC has no idea what things cost, just that they are "expensive" and "paid for by the Provincial Government". The only estimate of costs represented ~20% of what I personally paid last year in Canadian income taxes. But CIC's method for evaluation doesn't take into account inputs - just hypothetical future outgo.

I may be wrong here, but I think we are the only country that provides health care to those who are unemployed. Other socialist countries that provide health care, everyone pays into the system. If you don't pay, you don't get coverage. That is quite an attractive social program to everyone outside Canada.

Actually, I'm sure you're wrong. I know the UK covers everyone, regardless of employment status. A few do tie employment and health care together (like the US) but that seems to be unusual.

Canada spends less per-capita on public funded health care than the US does (previous article).

Canada's health care appears to be rather comparable to many other countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_compared#International_comparisons).

There needs to be a balance, indeed, but that balance shouldn't assume that someone who needs help is automatically undesirable.

 

[sunsun]

@Canadian thrower

I can't work and just stay at home as well...I am fatter and I hate it.... :

 

[screech339]

Actually, I'm sure you're wrong. I know the UK covers everyone, regardless of employment status. A few do tie employment and health care together (like the US) but that seems to be unusual.

Canada spends less per-capita on public funded health care than the US does (previous article).

Canada's health care appears to be rather comparable to many other countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_compared#International_comparisons).

There needs to be a balance, indeed, but that balance shouldn't assume that someone who needs help is automatically undesirable.

@computergeek.

I figured I may be in the wrong regarding Canada being the only one that covers regardless of employment due to lack of information on health care system of other countries particularly european countries.

As for Canada/US health care comparsion. You are comparing apples and oranges. The health care system in Canada is of course lower than US. Canada system is based on getting funding enough to cover the services, and overhead. The US system is based on for profit system. Hospitals/doctors in US run as business and their job to make their business a profit. Most doctors/hospitals will accept insurance companies that allow them to make a small profit otherwise they say, they go out of business. If you deliver a baby in US without insurance, you will be on the hook for 50,000. Insurance says it is not worth 50,000, its worth 20,000 and I pay $2000 (20% of 20,000) for cost of baby delivery. Their job in the US is to make money/profit. Canada's job is to make sure there is enough money to cover only the cost of service without any profit. Huge difference. I know this because I lived in US for 5 years and had 2 kids born there.

Screech339

 

[canadianthrower]

@sunsun Thankfully we have a gym a mile and half away that I can walk to. I end up working out 3-4 hours a day (more on days that I am really bored). Helps to kill some time. The winter drove me nuts because it was too cold to be outside much and tv was all I had for a distraction.

 

[screech339]

@ Screech

It was Not from me , I just copy paste from the Star...... ;D

How about 300.000 skilled worker applicants got refused after they waited 7 - 10 years ? Canada Immigration System is broken before year 2000 until Now.

Congratulation to all of you who just got DM and landed...especially for Screech wife.....
Thank you very much to Screech who is still in the forum even his wife has already got PR.

Thank you sunsun.

I had a feeling that it wasn't "your words". I don't bother reading the Star newspaper. It is a totally bias leftist newspaper and hardly a balance in supporting both sides of the policial spectrum. The Star newspaper is a joke as far as I'm concerned. Globe is a more balance newspaper and national post is a right supporter newspaper.

As for the 300,000 skilled worker that got their application cancelled, at least they got their money back. But come on, they knew how long is the wait when they applied. The problem is that by the time they get called up 7- 10 years down the road, their skills are probably out-dated or no longer required. When they land, they end up doing jobs not relating to their field at least until the demand is back or go back to school for new training. They need to flush out the applications and start over and start accepting applications related to today's job market. Today's job demand is not the same 7-10 years in the future when you get called upon. Immigration needs to be overhauled to allow applicants to get jobs relating to their field within months or a year at max. Would you accept a resume/CV that haven't been updated in 7-10 years for a job today? That is what happening before 2000, including up to time the 300,000 applicants that got their applications cancelled.

Screech339

 

[sunsun]

@ Canadianthrower
TV and Internet are very helpful to kill waiting time and help me to gain my heavy weight as well.....

 

[computergeek]

As for Canada/US health care comparison. You are comparing apples and oranges. The health care system in Canada is of course lower than US. Canada system is based on getting funding enough to cover the services, and overhead.

I am not familiar with the system in other provinces, but I know that in BC it is a single payer model system. Providers are private organizations. Some are for-profit, some are not-for-profit. This is essentially the same thing in the US, where Medicare/Medicaid represent the single payer, and the providers are private organizations. Thus, it seems to be fairly comparable.

One major difference are the cost of medications. I know of one recently approved medication that has a wholesale annual cost in the US of $28k but in Canada it will be $18k. Of course, in the US American's are warned not to use Canadian medications because they are inferior (http://articles.philly.com/2003-11-27/news/25462695_1_canadian-drugs-fda-warnings-fda-associate-commissioner is a good poke at this, but confirms my recollection of the US FDA warnings about the lack of safety of Canadian provided pharmaceuticals.)

The US system is based on for profit system. Hospitals/doctors in US run as business and their job to make their business a profit. Most doctors/hospitals will accept insurance companies that allow them to make a small profit otherwise they say, they go out of business. If you deliver a baby in US without insurance, you will be on the hook for 50,000. Insurance says it is not worth 50,000, its worth 20,000 and I pay $2000 (20% of 20,000) for cost of baby delivery. Their job in the US is to make money/profit. Canada's job is to make sure there is enough money to cover only the cost of service without any profit. Huge difference. I know this because I lived in US for 5 years and had 2 kids born there.

I'm originally from the US and I too can see differences in the health care system. Some of them good (the easy access to health care for essentially anyone in Canada) and some are not so good (my spouse has been waiting eight months so far to get a date for a tonsillectomy).

One of the things that IS horribly broken with the US system is that those without bargaining power are at the mercy of the service provider - ergo, those without insurance pay full rate. You cannot find out how much something costs at a hospital up front - nobody knows. The only reason anyone would put up with that is because they perceive they have no choice (e.g., it's a life-threatening situation). I wouldn't go buy any other product if I couldn't find out what the cost was up front (though airlines are getting closer and closer to that model these days ;-) ).

In all fairness, Canada's system only looks good when compared to the US. When compared to other OECD countries the picture isn't quite so flattering.

Oh, I had to go check that estimated $50k baby delivery. I found it could be far, far less (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060630034736AAtE0FH). And at least baby delivery is something you know about in advance and can shop around for. But I'm sure it is quite possible to spend $50k on a baby delivery. Much like it's possible to spent $300k on a new car.

I've also seen plenty of people who get stuck waiting for AIP from CIC so they can obtain health care coverage in Ontario because they are pregnant. Ironically, I know that here in BC they would generally be covered (because BC - like most provinces - covers dependents, including spouses, living with an eligible resident.)

At any rate, I was really just responding to the original comment about excessive demand. I'm just trying to point out that it's not a black or white situation. That's what people would prefer that it be, but it really isn't.

Stephen Hawking would be medically inadmissible to Canada. Does that mean he's not a valuable and contributing member of society?