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Immigration Costs Canada BILLIONS : Fraser Institute

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Sorry a Long answer

Claims made in study by researcher at Fraser Institute

a) Economy performs better during the periods of lower immigration but its use of statistics is highly selective i.e.

1. Low income cut-offs (LICOs) are intended to convey the income level at which a family may be in straitened circumstances because it has to spend a greater portion of its income on the basics (food, clothing and shelter) than does the average family of similar size. The LICOs vary by family size and by size of community. The LICO used by authors is highly subjective and doesn’t vary with family size, region.

2. Immigration varies with provinces, compare the immigration inflow b/w NB and ON huge difference and should be taken into account and authors completely missed that.

3. Is economy real performs well when immigration level are low? From 1954 to the present Canadian population increased by just over 16 million, this contains 19% of the direct immigration. Roughly 40% of Canadian current population can be traced to immigration flow (including 1.4 million during 1910-1913), but over the period of 1954-2009 Canadian GDP grew from 150 billion to 1.34 trillion. Another study conducted by Harry Anthony Patrinos and George Psacharopoulos at world bank concludes that the contribution of Human Capital in this growth was in range of 52-58%.

b) I was unable to find data on Canadian economy beyond 1980 from IMF and world bank, so will look at this period, over the period of 1981-1990 and 1991-2004 the Canadian population increased by 2.71 million and 2.18 million respectively with 66% immigration share in 1981-1990 and 58% immigration share during 1991-2004. The Canadian GPD grew by 3.4% (2 recessions, 1987 when Canadian economy shrinked by 5% and 1990) per annum on avg over the period of 1981-1990 and 4.5% per annum during 1991-2004 (2 recessions 2001 and 2008). In period 1991-2004 the federal budget was able to achieve budget surplus for the first time since 1940’.

C) It is also interesting to note that the two countries that take most immigration Canada and Australia have the lowest unemployment rates among the OECD, so immigration doesn’t harm the local labor markets. Whereas increase in minimum wage or wage in secondary labor market (the blue color market) leads to increase in production or service cost, forcing exports to decrease and shift of jobs to countries with lower labor costs. No economic theory proves that min wage helps to decrease poverty, its economic growth which helps to decline poverty and lift people out of poverty line. Immigrants helps to keep prices lower and competitive in import and service sector.

D) High unemployment and direct competition claim was based on a study from Harvard which used US data, but US has high number of illegal immigrants esp from Mexico. Study conducted at Harvard estimates approx 0.5 – 1.5 illegal immigrant in US market at any given time , whereas Canada doesn’t face the dilemma of illegal immigrants. Recent study from conducted in MB, BC, AB, and ON shows that when immigrants are integrated in Canadian labor market their income surpass the overall Canadian average so the competition is wiped out. The only competition is at min wage or at the job which native Canadian will not do at that pay rate, I explained earlier in absence of immigration the wage will increase for these jobs and in end will lead to higher service or production costs, which will ultimately effect the Canadian output.

E) Canada has aging population and lower birth rate problem and immigrants help to overcome shortage in labor market.

F) The cost estimated by authors $13 billion per annum, In 2004 the Treasury estimated the cost should be between $2 to $ 4 billion. The author used the formula

FT = (Ta - Ti) + (Gi – Ga)
To calculate the fiscal cost (Ft) of immigration, where T= Tax, G= per-capita benefits received, a=all Canadians, i=immigrants. First the census is comprise of 5% Canadian population and it changes its sample after every 5 years on avg. So if an immigrant is in 2001 data he might not be available in 2006. Immigrant need some time to get integrated in Canaanite market and by the time he is integrated he may be out of census sample. Also, authors didn’t classified the second generation of immigrants as immigrants and simply took them as Canadian but average immigrant age is 37 years, so only adding the second generation benefits might change this figure from positive to negative. As mentioned in point 3 that the Canadian GDP grew from 150 b to 1.35 trillion in last two decades, and there was budget surplus since 1998 till 2007 (govt stimulus packages in recession caused the deficit not immigration) but the authors completely missed this value added by immigrants in the economy. This increase in domestic economic growth has also led to increase in government revenue but government spending as % of GDP on social system hasn’t increased much since 1980.

I) Immigrants create a larger labor pool, lower costs of production and act as stimulus to the economy by producing larger profits. This directly benefits the local producers as well as, to some extent consumers.

J) Another study, by Frontier institute which followed a large number of immigrants over the period of 15 years, shows that the during the first five years of residency, immigrant do use social services much more than the average Canadian but this gap disappears over the time. On the other hand Fraser institute study uses census data which may not follow an immigrant after 5 years, so this inconsistency in data also persists in results.

K) The avg cost of educating each Canadian child is $150,000 before the child becomes a net contributor to economy, and if take this cost into account and the cost of social services used by skilled immigrant in first five years, then skilled immigrant become beneficial for economy far more quicker and at lower cost than native. Immigrant education costs are not bear by Canadian government and 27% of recent immigrants hold a university degree, versus 13% for Canadian born population. The immigrants generate revenue to fund Canadian child’s education. In fact, the most daunting obstacle facing immigrants is obtaining fair recognition for their credentials and skills so that they may fully participate in economy. This disconnects forces immigrants to live with higher average levels of unemployment for up to 10 years.

L) The immigration has helped Canada to achieve similar living standards, budget surplus, education system like US with lower level of unemployment.

The immigration is a very sensitive political issue than social and is used by politicians for spin purpose. The author completely miss the dynamics of economy and labor market and simply added some figures without looking at dynamics of Canada and US economy and labor market. This resulted in results which might look shocking to readers who don’t have economic knowledge but an upper level undergrad economic student will question the methodology of study. The economic benefit of immigration is much higher for Canadian economy than the average benefits gained by first generation of immigrant.
 

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Well written Zulkfal
Here is the standings of the Authors:

Herb Grubel

Herbert G. (Herb) Grubel (born February 26, 1934 in Frankfurt, Germany) is a former Canadian politician. He represented the electoral district of Capilano - Howe Sound in the Canadian House of Commons from 1993 to 1997. As a member of the Reform Party, Grubel defeated former federal cabinet minister Mary Collins in the 1993 election. He served as the party's finance critic from 1995 to 1997, and was controversial for his outspoken support of Canada moving toward a flat tax system.

As of 2011 he is professor emeritus of economics at Simon Fraser University and senior fellow of the Fraser Institute. He has also worked at the economic faculties of Yale, Stanford, the University of Chicago and the University of Pennsylvania.

Grubel has published 27 books and more than 130 professional articles in economics, dealing with international trade and finance and a wide range of economic policy issues. One of his most important contributions to international economics is the Grubel–Lloyd index, which measures intra-industry trade of a particular product. While at the Fraser Institute Herbert published a paper titled: "The Case for the Amero: The Economics and Politics of a North American Monetary Union", in which he proposed that Canada and the USA adopt a shared currency called the 'amero'.

Patrick Grady

Dr. Grady is an economic consultant with Global Economics Ltd. He is a former senior official in the federal Department of Finance and Bank of Canada. Dr. Grady obtained his B.A. in political science from the University of Illinois and a M.A. and Ph.D. in economics from the University of Toronto. He has written many articles and five books and on economic and fiscal issues.

Dr. Grady served as Chairperson of the Working Group on Seasonal Work and Unemployment Insurance. After traveling from coast to coast and hearing thousands of individuals & groups, the Five-Person Working Group, he chaired, issued its report "Jobs with a Future", which made recommendations to the Minister of HRSDC for the reform of Unemployment Insurance and Labour Market Programs.

As a consultant, he has worked for most of the departments and agencies of the federal government concerned with economic and fiscal matters as well as many for provincial and territorial governments and some private companies. In addition, he has completed assignments for international financial institutions and aid organizations in more than 30 countries in Eastern Europe, Asia, Africa, Latin America, and the Caribbean.
 

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Thankx Qorax, I know both authors read some of their research. BTW if you like this topic then look at some of these economist (if your time permits in Canadian busy life)


Alan B. Kruger (Princeton) http://www.krueger.princeton.edu/
George J. Borjas http://www.borjas.com/
Greg Mankiw http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2006/04/krueger-on-immigration.html
Michael Baker http://www.economics.utoronto.ca/index.php/index/person/person/faculty/5
Robert Barrow

you will find interesting debate b/w them but with US data.
 

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Impressive critique Bro. Both you and Qorax did a great service. Other side of the picture should be highlighted and it also changes the perception about us. Its one way of contribution by the new canadians and I believe it also has a positive effect.

God bless you both.
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zulkfal said:
During my studies, i have red lots of papers on immigration benefits and costs. Immigration is a political issue rather than economical, some economist strongly belief that its not good and some take opposite side. For example a UC Barkley prof published a paper that immigration hurts secondary labor market and govt money but Kruger (Prof at Princeton) used same data and said that immigration doesn't heart labor market in any way and increase the govt income. It depends on model, data, and the results the researcher want to achieve. Wait for some days or a month or 2 and you will another paper with similar data proving immigration is helpful for country. Canada makes its immigration policy after speaking with number of highly talented labor economist with strong grip on immigration issue. They will not let you immigrate if you are not beneficial and we will not immigrate if we don't have any as well. Simply its a give and take.

All industrialize and service country need immigration these days, why? 2 simple reasons

1) low birth rate (every one know this fact so no point to say some thing)
2) There youngster are less interested in school and if they go for higher education they prefer it to be in non technical side like literature. (this can be discussed)

Pick up any national student statistics then data from universities in Canada, UK, US, AUS and similar countries. you will find majority of students from Asia pacific and south east asia are registered in Degrees related to ENG, MED, BUS, FIN compared to more natives in ENG Lit, History and other similar titles. Number of studies have raised these issues, govt brought policies to help those students who want to study in technical side but no success yet. The skilled immigration help them to fill this gap, but normally not the first generation of immigration the economist look at second generation. The success rate of second generation is 80%+ compared to 40% for first generation. Success is working in Primary market or white color jobs.

I support Kruger as well, but I don't want to stay too long in Canada just some good qualifications, exposure to developed financial market and then leave. In my opinion (you might not agree with this, its solely my observation), its not a great place to plan retirement but it can boost employment opportunities outside Canada with some experience in leading firms and thats what I want on my resume.
Well said Zulkfal!
 

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Immigration helps Canadian economy, and I dont believe in Fraser report. How-
1. Immigrants brings their personal wealth to Canada. Helping Canada to get much needed foreign exchange.
2. Immigrants helps in raising the demand of houses, first rented and the house buying.
3. Immigrants increases the demand of food and other consumer goods, which helps in creating more jobs in economy.

No matter how one arrives at any kind of report, immigration do help Canada.
+1 for you explorer 101!
 

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http://www.theprovince.com/Fraser+Institute+immigration+analysis+flawed/4841652/story.html


The article highlights how the Fraser analysis is flawed and how immigrants can actually make life easier for Canadians!
 

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http://www.theprovince.com/Fraser+Institute+immigration+analysis+flawed/4841652/story.html


The article highlights how the Fraser analysis is flawed and how immigrants can actually make life easier for Canadians!
Thanks for sharing the link to that brilliant rejoinder!
 

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Face-to-face with CIC's Deputy Minister


CIC Deputy Minister Neil Yeates recently launched the Deputy Minister's Advisory Council (DMAC), with the goal of exploring program and policy issues from a broader perspective. This group of individuals, pulled from a cross-section of organizations, provides the DM with strategic advice and diverse perspectives concerning immigration, refugees, multiculturalism and citizenship.

EXTRACT:
"We talked about the importance of labour market information and labour market planning because, given the demographics in Canada, much of our labour force growth is going to come from immigration. Immigration has always been important to Canada, but it's going to become even more important, particularly economic immigration, in the years ahead. Therefore, the planning has become increasingly important. What's the right level of immigration for Canada? That's a difficult question to answer.

We have had discussions around the role of what's referred to as lower-skill immigration. Our FSW Program is focused on high-skill workers, and it's actually been very successful. But, over the past ten years, we've seen a very significant growth in the number of TFWs filling service industry jobs. The discussion we've been having is whether we need to think about pathways to PR for people that are filling these kinds of needs in the economy. We've also been talking about integration and settlement, a very big issue around the world these days.

...You can see, these issues I'm talking about are big, macro, game-changer kinds of issues.

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Immigration to Canada drops by [size=35pt]25%[/size]
thestar.com | Sun, Jul 17 2011

Canada let 25% fewer immigrants into the country in the first quarter of this year compared to the same period in 2010, raising concerns the Conservative government is embarking on a bold plan to restrict the country's immigration levels.

The number of permanent resident visas issued by Citizenship and Immigration Canada between January and March fell from 84,083 in 2010 to 63,224 this year, according to figures obtained by the Star.

The latest department numbers show a decline across the board, with visas for skilled workers down 28%, family-sponsored relatives down 14%, and refugees dropping by 25%.



Reduction in Funding
The Conservative government has announced it intends slashing $4 billion in annual spending from the federal budget, raising fears of further cuts to the immigration system. More than $50 million was slashed this year in settlement services.
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http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1026232--immigration-to-canada-drops-by-25-per-cent

Qorax
 

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qorax said:
Immigration to Canada drops by [size=35pt]25%[/size]
thestar.com | Sun, Jul 17 2011

Canada let 25% fewer immigrants into the country in the first quarter of this year compared to the same period in 2010, raising concerns the Conservative government is embarking on a bold plan to restrict the country's immigration levels.

The number of permanent resident visas issued by Citizenship and Immigration Canada between January and March fell from 84,083 in 2010 to 63,224 this year, according to figures obtained by the Star.

The latest department numbers show a decline across the board, with visas for skilled workers down 28%, family-sponsored relatives down 14%, and refugees dropping by 25%.



Reduction in Funding
The Conservative government has announced it intends slashing $4 billion in annual spending from the federal budget, raising fears of further cuts to the immigration system. More than $50 million was slashed this year in settlement services.
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http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1026232--immigration-to-canada-drops-by-25-per-cent

Qorax
Disappointing indeed :(

Thanks for the sharing brother.
 

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Qorax,

what do you think that the slashing of the fund could have what kinda impact on the applicants whose fates are hanging now? more backlog? how come suddenly they dont need immigrants at the number they used to need for the last many years? or its the 2 year's enough immigrants already got the visa and landed issue.