Immigration backlog could be erased, Kenney suggests

[noon]

Hi


Well the problem is that Canada only takes about 50K skilled workers per year (That doesn't count PNP or Quebec) So the Minister published the "lists" of jobs needed in Canada and basically only those applicants are being processed, plus a few from the backlog. Prior to the lists, all you had to do was have 1 years experience in an A, B or O NOC and get 67 points to be eligible to apply with no language test. So everyone applied. Now what is the point giving visas to persons whose background/experience won't result in a job in Canada. It doesn't help the Canadian economy nor does it help the emigrant with no marketable skills who will only be able to obtain survival jobs. It doesn't do him/her any good. So if only the backlog was processed, emigrants whose skills are needed now, applications wouldn't be looked at for 8/10 years.

“Life isn't fair, it's just fairer than death, that's all.”
― William Goldman, The Princess Bride

I had been a silent reader of this forum. Your post made me to register today and write a few words.
I applied for canada pr in july 2004 from newdelhi visa office.I am a dentist,(my noc is 3113 and listed in 29 occupation category),my application included my wife who is a professional graduate and my son and at the time of application I was just 30 years old.My applictaion was accepted they gave file number and the ecase showed "in process" from sept 2004. In 2006 nov I gave IELTS score reading and writing 6 and listening and speaking 7. In 2008 oct they NDVO asked me to update my files. As per requirement I submitted updated forms, PCC, proof of landing funds and most importantly my original expeience certificates and internship certificate to prove that I am a doctor and waited for next step ie, medicals. Unfortunately in NOV 27 C-50 bill was passed and those who applied after feb 28 2008 (MI 1)got priority. Funny thing was that in the new 38 list which was based on vacancies in canada dentist was not included because most of them are self emlpoyed running private clinics. so vacanies did not show up. By that time 2002 -2003 applicants are getting visas along with MI 1 newer applicants and the new delhi timeline showed 69 months for pre 2008. I waited patiently and concentrated on my hospital.In april 2010 I cheked timelines and it showed they are working on pre 2008 cases received 79 months before and my file completed 69 months. In 2010 june, after waiting for one and a half years after updation,my agent told me that new MI 2 with 29 occupation included dentists so reapply and your file will be processed within a year. Reapply means new IELTS score, payment of increased processing fees etc and another problem is that my original experience certificate and internship certificate had been with Newdelhi chc since I updated my application in Nov 2008. I asked my agent to ask them to return my originals and they said originals will be returned along with medicals only.I checked timelines again and it showed they are working on 79, and my file compelted 71 months. There was no other option left for me but to wait. From there on backloged new delhi files show an increse in processing time from 79 to 84 to 87 to 90 and now it is 93. IELTS score was made compulsory from sept 2003 onwards. Those who applied without IELTS landed in Canada. Now Dec 2003 onwards files are waiting for final decision in NDVO.My friend who is also a Dentist applied in 2005 and is waiting.Lot of nurses are there in backlog. One applicant whom I met through a forum waited for 96 months then reapplied in MI 3 and got PER from CIO syndey. Do you still think backlogers are unwanted for Canadian economy ? The difference is that backlogers applied during previous government and others who are getting final decision within 2 years and now within 3 months applied during Kenneys government. And the minister is spreading false messages to save his reputation that the backloggers are a waste of time, energy and money .

 

[SenoritaBella]

That is quite unfortunate. I'm not trying to be insensitive but I think you could have done more to help your situation. Did you ask the institutions that issued your certificates for another copy or an attestation? As last resort, you could have submitted a new application with copies of the certificates and a letter explaining that the originals are at the New Delhi visa office.

Unfortunately, you won't know if this will work unless you try. My advice is to submit a new application(Dentists are on the list). You may have better luck this time. In the future, get certified copies of your documents before submitting originals.

 

[skogutem]

Hello Friends,

Can someone clarify on the backlogs dates for which Minister is refered.

I am from pre june 2010 with In Process date jan 2012.

Thank you.

 

[SandySurrey]

The backlog as per minister kenny is the one created by previous governments i.e. before the ministerial instructions came into effect

Hello Friends,

Can someone clarify on the backlogs dates for which Minister is refered.

I am from pre june 2010 with In Process date jan 2012.

Thank you.

 

[SP88]

Hi
[.....] Now what is the point giving visas to persons whose background/experience won't result in a job in Canada. It doesn't help the Canadian economy nor does it help the emigrant with no marketable skills who will only be able to obtain survival jobs. It doesn't do him/her any good. So if only the backlog was processed, emigrants whose skills are needed now, applications wouldn't be looked at for 8/10 years.

“Life isn't fair, it's just fairer than death, that's all.”
― William Goldman, The Princess Bride

well sir pmm your comments are always valuable and appreciated.....
but this time i regret to write that i diagree with you.

your opinion is that backlog applicants skills are not marketable.....
for your information there are doctors, dentists, nurses etc in the backlog which the minister considers marketable (please do not suggest they re-apply... that is a different issue and choice altogether)

secondly the govt's own figures show that only 36% immigrants go on in their intended occupation.... so the marketable or in-demand jobs issue is not supported by any empirical facts

thirdly since the so called in-demand job list ushered in 18 profession which require licence most of the so called in-demand fast tracked immigrants are doing survival jobs only .... do you really believe a doctor who landed 3/4 years ago is practising medicine? according to some reports there are thousands of foreign trainned doctors in Canada who are in survial jobs or underemployed.

in a nutshell it is a flawed policy

 

[SP88]

That is quite unfortunate. I'm not trying to be insensitive but I think you could have done more to help your situation. Did you ask the institutions that issued your certificates for another copy or an attestation? As last resort, you could have submitted a new application with copies of the certificates and a letter explaining that the originals are at the New Delhi visa office.

Unfortunately, you won't know if this will work unless you try. My advice is to submit a new application(Dentists are on the list). You may have better luck this time. In the future, get certified copies of your documents before submitting originals.

well your post may not be insensitive but is certainly inconsiderate
what "noon" is highligting is a flawed policy which lacked transparency and is highly unfair and unjustified
how is that a dentist who applied 2004 no good for immigration but one who applied under MI-2/MI-3 becomes more in-demand

 

[SP88]

Hello Friends,

Can someone clarify on the backlogs dates for which Minister is refered.

I am from pre june 2010 with In Process date jan 2012.

Thank you.

what constitutes backlog

according to the minister any application before pre-feb2008 is backlog

according to logic MI-1 applicants are also in backlog category
(since many NOC were eliminated in 29 list and are no more "in-demand")

although the minister blames the previous liberal govt for the pre-feb 2008 backlog
he conveniently forgets that it was his policy which resulted in post-feb MI-1 backlog

 

[rjessome]

What strikes me as interesting about the MI lists is that for occupations like doctors and dentists, I wonder how they are considered "in demand" when they will be unable to practice in their profession in Canada without going back to school and becoming re-certified which can take years. A dentist whose credentials come from India cannot just start practicing in Canada as soon as they become PRs. It's never made sense to me.

Nobody is commenting on how Minister Kenney is going to allow employers to "cherry pick" through the backlog to select workers with occupations in demand. I don't get that. How will he get around the privacy laws of sharing confidential information? And what if an employer in McBride, BC "cherry picks" an applicant who wants to settle in Toronto? The Canadian Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms guarantees rights of mobility to citizens and permanent residents. How is he going to get around the Charter? There is already the issue with some PNPs who settle in provinces other than the one where they were nominated. Does he plan to issue conditional PR visas to everyone? It's going to be interesting.

 

[ramyfathalla]

I had been a silent reader of this forum. Your post made me to register today and write a few words.
I applied for canada pr in july 2004 from newdelhi visa office.I am a dentist,(my noc is 3113 and listed in 29 occupation category),my application included my wife who is a professional graduate and my son and at the time of application I was just 30 years old.My applictaion was accepted they gave file number and the ecase showed "in process" from sept 2004. In 2006 nov I gave IELTS score reading and writing 6 and listening and speaking 7. In 2008 oct they NDVO asked me to update my files. As per requirement I submitted updated forms, PCC, proof of landing funds and most importantly my original expeience certificates and internship certificate to prove that I am a doctor and waited for next step ie, medicals. Unfortunately in NOV 27 C-50 bill was passed and those who applied after feb 28 2008 (MI 1)got priority. Funny thing was that in the new 38 list which was based on vacancies in canada dentist was not included because most of them are self emlpoyed running private clinics. so vacanies did not show up. By that time 2002 -2003 applicants are getting visas along with MI 1 newer applicants and the new delhi timeline showed 69 months for pre 2008. I waited patiently and concentrated on my hospital.In april 2010 I cheked timelines and it showed they are working on pre 2008 cases received 79 months before and my file completed 69 months. In 2010 june, after waiting for one and a half years after updation,my agent told me that new MI 2 with 29 occupation included dentists so reapply and your file will be processed within a year. Reapply means new IELTS score, payment of increased processing fees etc and another problem is that my original experience certificate and internship certificate had been with Newdelhi chc since I updated my application in Nov 2008. I asked my agent to ask them to return my originals and they said originals will be returned along with medicals only.I checked timelines again and it showed they are working on 79, and my file compelted 71 months. There was no other option left for me but to wait. From there on backloged new delhi files show an increse in processing time from 79 to 84 to 87 to 90 and now it is 93. IELTS score was made compulsory from sept 2003 onwards. Those who applied without IELTS landed in Canada. Now Dec 2003 onwards files are waiting for final decision in NDVO.My friend who is also a Dentist applied in 2005 and is waiting.Lot of nurses are there in backlog. One applicant whom I met through a forum waited for 96 months then reapplied in MI 3 and got PER from CIO syndey. Do you still think backlogers are unwanted for Canadian economy ? The difference is that backlogers applied during previous government and others who are getting final decision within 2 years and now within 3 months applied during Kenneys government. And the minister is spreading false messages to save his reputation that the backloggers are a waste of time, energy and money .

perfect analisys really appreciated

 

[zaffariqbal]

Thats bad news, I have applied in June 2005 and waited for almost 7 years, after 7 years waiting my application will be waved off. very very unfair

 

[noman]

Of course bad for the cases of 2004, we are waiting from such
a long time period.

 

[khans]

Noman

InshaAllah Allah will do best for u.

Khan's

 

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