Immigrate to Canada without Canadian Work Experience? How?

[sailee94]

Left with 400 Points has no 1 Year of Canadian Work Experience.
Right with 461 Points has 1 Year of Canadian Work Experience.

One Year of Canadian Work Experience Gives you 35 Points in Human Capital factor and it gives you 2 x 13 Points in Skill Transferability Factor.
It gives you in total 61 Points..............................

What do I do?
I am actually not planning to immigrate in the next 1-2 years. The "education" and "foreign work experience" I used in the chart is not what I have reached right now, but will gain in 3 years.
I mean, I will finish a 3-year trade school in Germany in August. 2021.
And I plan to work 1 year to gain something so called "foreign work experience", which apparently does not even matter in Canada. Dafuq is this BS? Has it always been so?
I accidentally selected 1 year work experience in "canada", and I thought 461 points... hooray, Finally, I can leave for a place where the grass is greener. Or whiter. I prefer the white grass. Well away with the politics now.
What should I do? I do a "dual system" apprenticeship in IT - Software Development.
What are my options?
Or what can I realistically improve on that CSR sheet?
Getting a Job Offer seems unrealistic with my experience, but I don't want to waste 10 years in Germany, I'll be too old and would probably settle here because of my kid.

Am I doomed? Is US greencard my only hope for "north american culture"?
I'm so devastated...

I want to move far far away... preferably a civilized English speaking country that is either USA or was under British colonial rule xd. Sorry I am trying to be a little humorous and I guess I fail, but I have to distract myself somehow... And my fiancé can apply for British Citizenship as a descendant, I don't know if that plays a role for anything.

I want to do that before my daughter turns 5 (so she can start school in a new country, that way she doesn't lose newly made school friends or whatnot)

 

[ECLN]

Try calculating with your fiancée’s education and language tests. That should add extra points. You could also look into provincial nominations. And finally you can start learning french, like that in 2 years you should have an ok level to claim points. Good luck!

 

[sailee94]

fiancée’s education and language tests

I did, she got 4 points for "langugae skills".... even though it was not that low... and even if her education wouldn't be a highschool degree but a bachelors degree, she would only get 8 instead of 2 points.... xD

And finally you can start learning french, like that in 2 years you should have an ok level to claim points

French on a HIGH level that I could realistically achieve in 2 years would still earn me under 450 points....
ASSUMING that I'd even get these points

• Speaking 310-348
  
• Listening 280-297
  
• Reading 248-262
  
• Writing 310-348

(If it's lower then that, I get only 15 points for language, and if I get the points as written here, the CSR Tool tells me that I get additional 30 points to these 15 points, for "French-language skills")

In total that would credit me 441 points(With the new french skills).... still not enough, since you need 450+ nowadays to even be considered for EE.

It's a good idea with the French langugae, but learning french on that level would require me to find another hour a day at least, for at least 2 years, and STILl would not grant me the required points...

Edit: Provincial nomination?
Isn't that even harder than EE for someone like me?

 

[scylla]

Left with 400 Points has no 1 Year of Canadian Work Experience.
Right with 461 Points has 1 Year of Canadian Work Experience.

One Year of Canadian Work Experience Gives you 35 Points in Human Capital factor and it gives you 2 x 13 Points in Skill Transferability Factor.
It gives you in total 61 Points..............................

What do I do?
I am actually not planning to immigrate in the next 1-2 years. The "education" and "foreign work experience" I used in the chart is not what I have reached right now, but will gain in 3 years.
I mean, I will finish a 3-year trade school in Germany in August. 2021.
And I plan to work 1 year to gain something so called "foreign work experience", which apparently does not even matter in Canada. Dafuq is this BS? Has it always been so?
I accidentally selected 1 year work experience in "canada", and I thought 461 points... hooray, Finally, I can leave for a place where the grass is greener. Or whiter. I prefer the white grass. Well away with the politics now.
What should I do? I do a "dual system" apprenticeship in IT - Software Development.
What are my options?
Or what can I realistically improve on that CSR sheet?
Getting a Job Offer seems unrealistic with my experience, but I don't want to waste 10 years in Germany, I'll be too old and would probably settle here because of my kid.

Am I doomed? Is US greencard my only hope for "north american culture"?
I'm so devastated...

I want to move far far away... preferably a civilized English speaking country that is either USA or was under British colonial rule xd. Sorry I am trying to be a little humorous and I guess I fail, but I have to distract myself somehow... And my fiancé can apply for British Citizenship as a descendant, I don't know if that plays a role for anything.

I want to do that before my daughter turns 5 (so she can start school in a new country, that way she doesn't lose newly made school friends or whatnot)

Getting a job offer is unfortunately next to impossible. Typically the easiest way to gain work experience in Canada is to come here as a full time student for two years so that you qualify for a three year post graduate work permit after you complete your studies.

Having British citizenship gives zero benefit when it comes to immigrating.

Have you looked into the US green card process? It's typically much more difficult to qualify for since you usually need employer sponsorship. Canada is the easier path for economic immigrants.

Recommend you look into the PNP programs if you can't achieve a score high enough to be selected through EE.

 

[opotato]

What about coming on a working holiday visa to get your 1y Canadian work experience?

 

[sailee94]

Getting a job offer is unfortunately next to impossible. Typically the easiest way to gain work experience in Canada is to come here as a full time student for two years so that you qualify for a three year post graduate work permit after you complete your studies.

Having British citizenship gives zero benefit when it comes to immigrating.

Have you looked into the US green card process? It's typically much more difficult to qualify for since you usually need employer sponsorship. Canada is the easier path for economic immigrants.

Recommend you look into the PNP programs if you can't achieve a score high enough to be selected through EE.

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Don't this things need lots of work experience? Or is 3 Years of trade-school specializing in Software Developing enough?
As for the US, I think the only chance for me, is participating in the green card lottery xD
Why is a job offer next to impossible? What about the jobs in the canadian job bank? I heard as a foreigner who wants to come to canada, one should start looking there?
Oh, the reason I asked is, because I know two people, who immigrated to Australia after obtaining British PR. And they are germans, and as germans they weren't eligble to do the same thing...

 

[sailee94]

What about coming on a working holiday visa to get your 1y Canadian work experience?

Sadly I think this is not possible, unless I can take my family with me.... xD I have a fiancé and a little girl that will be 4 months old in a week :d But we really want her to grow up in a great free democratic country.. lol that's BS, we just love north american cultures and want to live in an english speaking country. Preferably canadian, because of many laws that protect and give security to its citizen. Like for example the protection and support LGBTQ people get.

 

[scylla]

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Don't this things need lots of work experience? Or is 3 Years of trade-school specializing in Software Developing enough?
As for the US, I think the only chance for me, is participating in the green card lottery xD
Why is a job offer next to impossible? What about the jobs in the canadian job bank? I heard as a foreigner who wants to come to canada, one should start looking there?
Oh, the reason I asked is, because I know two people, who immigrated to Australia after obtaining British PR. And they are germans, and as germans they weren't eligble to do the same thing...

Immigrating to Canada generally requires at least one year of full time paid skilled work experience.

Job offers are next to impossible to obtain before you are a PR since employers must obtain an approved LMIA in order to hire you. This is a very long and expensive process for the employer that requires them to prove no Canadian could be found for the role and has no guarantee of approval. For this reason the vast majority of employers aren't willing to do it.

Extremely few foreign workers are able to secure jobs through job bank.

 

[canuck78]

What citizenship do you have? Are you 30 or under? Confused? Germany has a good economy and their apprenticeship program should lead straight to a job for you? Not sure whether your apprenticeship will be as easily translatable to Canadian employers. Confused as to what your qualifications will be after an apprenticeship in IT versus a degree but your skills may be in demand so PNP may be an option. Some IT specialties are some of the skills where employers can somewhat easily tests future employees versus relying on proof based on education and work history.

 

[sailee94]

Immigrating to Canada generally requires at least one year of full time paid skilled work experience.

Job offers are next to impossible to obtain before you are a PR since employers must obtain an approved LMIA in order to hire you. This is a very long and expensive process for the employer that requires them to prove no Canadian could be found for the role and has no guarantee of approval. For this reason the vast majority of employers aren't willing to do it.

Extremely few foreign workers are able to secure jobs through job bank.

Under what programm does it require you to have worked for 1 year fulltime?
Well I plan to work for at least 1 year after my apprenticeship/tradeschool ... wonder if that will be any good for an PNP..

 

[sailee94]

What citizenship do you have? Are you 30 or under? Confused? Germany has a good economy and their apprenticeship program should lead straight to a job for you? Not sure whether your apprenticeship will be as easily translatable to Canadian employers. Confused as to what your qualifications will be after an apprenticeship in IT versus a degree but your skills may be in demand so PNP may be an option. Some IT specialties are some of the skills where employers can somewhat easily tests future employees versus relying on proof based on education and work history.

Yes, the apprenticeship program will lead me straight to a job, in fact, the company i am working for is ready to take me, as soon as I finish it.
IT Apprenticeship takes 3 years to do. I will finish my first year in 1 month, so two to go. In my 3rd year, I have to pass a state exam here and I'll officially become an Software Developer. The way the apprenticeship works in germany is, you either go 2 days to school and 3 days to work every week, or in my case, you go to a trade school for 2 weeks and then you go to your company for 3 weeks where you get assignments and you learn. You have a senior programmer or whoever, who is responsible for you and has to assist you if you have questions. And btw, I do java and am in the automotive industry, in fact, my company develops Volkswagen Infotainment System for the VW cars. The softwareside that is.
It's basically a 40 hours a week fulltime job. You even get a pay, for me it's almost €13,000 a year. After I finish the apprenticeship, I'll jump into min. €40,000 -. it depends. And the ONLY difference between a "Java Software Developer" who just acquired his bachelors degree in an University and someone who finished the apprenticeship programm is, starting salary is higher if you have a bachelors degree, mainly just, because you have a higher degree. In my company it would be min. €48,000 and €72,000 for that same

My qualifiation would be "Fachinformatiker/-in Fachrichtung: Anwendungsentwicklung" which officially translates to Computer Science Expert - Subject Area: Software Development.

What I am confused of is, as what this apprenticeship would be assessed as in canada too... I will be a Software Developer, but in my educational sense it will maybe be treated differently?..!.
somewhere I read it's equivalent to a
Bachelor's degree OR a three or more year programm at a univery, college, trade or technical school, or other institute.
I don't know if its true...

Can you elaborate on this?
Some IT specialties are some of the skills where employers can somewhat easily tests future employees versus relying on proof based on education and work history

What do you mean? Do you mean some IT companies would just test your skills and don't rely on education and work history? That way even a self taught employee could be hired?


I myself have the Soviet citiz.... "cough", Russian citizenship. I will be turning 25 next november. Germany has a good economy, sure. Most people I know barely earn 30.000 Euros a year, and if you do earn 30.000+ € a year, half of it will be taken for healthcare, pension funds, this fund, other fund, something fund, and income tax. You have to be a Doctor or a Lawyer to earn a good income here.
I am not saying that this is better then Canada, but economy isn't the reason we wanna flee. It's the cultural and language differences that are like the opposide side of a magnet colliding with me and my fiancé. That is the reason, a different world, Canadian culture, english and french as the official language, isn't that like a dream? Germans are becoming too proud of themselves... The biggest political party CDU, which is the Chancellors party is losing, the new party that was almost non existent a few years ago, became the 2nd biggest party which is called AfD (Alternative für Deutschland / Alternative Germany) and this party is compareable to the "they who musn't be named" in the WW. In the past it was called "Jews out!", not it's called "Foreigners out!", and neither me or ANY of my other friends who were not born in germany, feel very uncomfortable and unwelcome here.
For example, I have many black friends here, and once in a while, if I wait at the bus station with them, a car would drive by and honk at us... you would think.. well that doesn't mean anything...
well, after he honks, we obviously turn our heads to the street and look at that car, and these people show us the middle finger. We don't even know them, but they see my friend who is of african origin and be racist.
I wouldn't mention it if it would happen once in a while but it's happening more and more. There is just too much going on here, and we don't want our daughter to grow up here. Obviously we could try to get to the UK because my fiancé is trying to apply for british citizenship, but now with Brexit and stuff, new European laws being passed that affect so many aspects of our life we don't really prefer the UK, still better then Germany though. But if the posibility arises to go to the most democratic english speaking country in the world... we really want to do this.