IMM5669 QUESTION 8.. ANSWER HELP PLEASE

[nada3]

Please don't panic about this. This is a very grey area of the questionnaire. There are many here that have put down vacations and some that haven't. Like yourself many other's have their thoughts about this question and unfortunately it is not 100% clear for overlapping time periods. They mention not to leave any gaps which almost implies not putting down overlapping activities but rather the primary activity.

Were these vacations or visits in overlapping periods of employment or education? I see you mentioned several months. How many months was it? Was it vacation, work, studying?

From what I have read, if the VO had concerns he would ask for you to provide specific details with regards to personal history.

He was visiting his sister here in Canada, 1st time it was for 2 months and the 2nd time in 2006 it was for 5 months. They have this in their records, it's not like we wanted to hide it or anything. In the GCMS notes they also mention that he visited Canada on 2 occasions. They are overlapping with his work history.

 

[nada3]

We sent the new form 3 weeks ago. Should we send an e-mail to clarify this?

 

[user828]

This is definitely a grey area. CIC really needs to provide more details explaining the question. The Travel History form for India and Pakistan Country Specific forms clearly asks for Entry/Exit for each travel which makes it clear. BUT Question 8 of IMM5669 does not explicitly ask for this. I mean what if a business executive travels frequently out of the country for meetings? He is still employed but travelling at the same time. You would have some drastic overlaps. Same thing goes if you are a student and travelled for a student project or internship term. You are still a student at that time but was travelling for that purpose.

Also, the form only allows you to only enter Year and Month. So you could potentially have parallel events occur during the same month in a situation where you are working and travelling within the same month. Also, note that in the last column it asks Name of Company, Employer, School, Facility, as applicable. This implies to me that the intent is to capture work history, unemployment, education, and long term travel etc. For example you travelled to another country for volunteer work..then yes this should be put down but short vacation's would be questionable.

Unfortunately, this question is subject to personal interpretation. If Question 8 of IMM5669 actually required you to enter Entry/Exit for overlapping time periods then why in the world would they even create the Country Specific Entry/Exit Travel History form since this information would have to be provided in Question 8. If they wanted such specific information they would include a day field as well.

The two questions serve different purposes in my opinion.

Tell me about it, The Schedule A provided by CIC-M has since Age 18 or last 10 years so we filled like
( Since we applied in 2008 )

1998-2008 = Working
2008-Current = Retire

Apparently, then the file transferred to New Delhi, they wanted details since 1970s ( basically gaps between school and jobs >>>>2008 )
So I am like, they never asked Travel History from us and my folks have 5+3 passports and these guys asking me since 1970 - can I just put 1970-2008 ( Working own business )?
I was so tensed as I thought they might see it as misrepresentation so I put everything in the following format

This is just 1 sheet, there were 5 sheets altogether for folks

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Then I order GCMS notes, see comment - PA has significant travel history to US, Canada. Even though PA has not lived for more than 6 months in US, need FBI clearance, ( For Canada, they have lived here for more than 6 months on 2 occasions so that we mentioned in the IMM008 and they simply did RCMP Trace )

I had FBI handy as I knew they would ask

Then during final review, the VO officer gets confused and write comment that " PA traveled to US for work, please ask PA nature of work ( Found this through GCMS ). Need more details from age 18"

I am like can't they see I wrote travel to US was vacation and I already have given them details since 1970's like they asked so I prepare another Excel Sheet since Age 18 now and I even a freaking part time job in there - express $130 courier to India

I order GCMS notes again, this time the comment says " it seems PA has included travel and work together", satisfied with file, PCC clear, Eligibility, Medical, Security/Criminality pass, no concern issue visa"
So I am not sure if they are seeking that info or not, from above comments

But regardless, Travel History has be filled out in travel history form ( somehow they never asked us that so I forced combined)

 

[elmatador]

We sent the new form 3 weeks ago. Should we send an e-mail to clarify this?

Good thing he didn't visit for 6 months as you have to provide a pcc. If it is already in their notes then I wouldn't worry too much. If the VO had specific concerns about your travel to Canada he would have asked. Although 5 months is a long trip while employed it still is overlapping with his work period. In my opinion there is no mention to indicate overlapping time periods. They just don't want gaps. I will leave it to the seniors to chime in.

Besides this is not considered withholding information because he entered and left Canada legally. It would be a material fact only if it caused an error in the VOs decision. The VO is already aware of his entry.

 

[nada3]

Good thing he didn't visit for 6 months as you have to provide a pcc. If it is already in their notes then I wouldn't worry too much. If the VO had specific concerns about your travel to Canada he would have asked. Although 5 months is a long trip while employed it still is overlapping with his work period. In my opinion there is no mention to indicate overlapping time periods. They just don't want gaps. I will leave it to the seniors to chime in.

Besides this is not considered withholding information because he entered and left Canada legally. It would be a material fact only if it caused an error in the VOs decision. The VO is already aware of his entry.

Thank you elmatador!

 

[riz.hash]

m even more confused,..my wife visited us twice for 1 mnth in each trip...


should i include that in personal history???

she was in 4 year degree program from jan 2010 to 2013 dec... she visited in b/w that period while summer n winter breaks.. so what should i do??? persoanl history or travel history or both???

thanks,\

rizwan

 

[ovasquez1]

This is definitely a grey area. CIC really needs to provide more details explaining the question. The Travel History form for India and Pakistan Country Specific forms clearly asks for Entry/Exit for each travel which makes it clear. BUT Question 8 of IMM5669 does not explicitly ask for this. I mean what if a business executive travels frequently out of the country for meetings? He is still employed but travelling at the same time. You would have some drastic overlaps. Same thing goes if you are a student and travelled for a student project or internship term. You are still a student at that time but was travelling for that purpose.

Also, the form only allows you to only enter Year and Month. So you could potentially have parallel events occur during the same month in a situation where you are working and travelling within the same month. Also, note that in the last column it asks Name of Company, Employer, School, Facility, as applicable. This implies to me that the intent is to capture work history, unemployment, education, and long term travel etc. For example you travelled to another country for volunteer work..then yes this should be put down but short vacation's would be questionable.


Unfortunately, this question is subject to personal interpretation. If Question 8 of IMM5669 actually required you to enter Entry/Exit for overlapping time periods then why in the world would they even create the Country Specific Entry/Exit Travel History form since this information would have to be provided in Question 8. If they wanted such specific information they would include a day field as well.

The two questions serve different purposes in my opinion.

I'm a little concerned now...so if i visited my husband in the last 10yrs ( normally i visited him for 2 months at a time/ once 4 months in canada) do I have to mention those trips? I was still employed...I have a very freelance working schedule in the USA.

 

[ovasquez1]

I answered that question saying

02/2010- current- working,
08/2009-01/2010 looking for work,
06/2009-07/2009 working,
08/2001-05/2009 Studying,

I met my husband in 2011 and since made trips (4 months the first trip and 3 trips of 2 months long) to see him, but I have been employed the entire time, do I need to mention the trips??

 

[Ponga]

I answered that question saying

02/2010- current- working,
08/2009-01/2010 looking for work,
06/2009-07/2009 working,
08/2001-05/2009 Studying,

I met my husband in 2011 and since made trips (4 months the first trip and 3 trips of 2 months long) to see him, but I have been employed the entire time, do I need to mention the trips??

I think you need to change the month in each of those:

02/2010- Current- working
08/2009- 02/2010

This way, they know that it includes the full month, and not just a few days.

 

[ovasquez1]

Thanks, I see what you mean, so there's no gap in time right?