i want to luanch a protest . please all non uk resident paksitanies join me

[zaig]

You make sence mr beam. Good one.

 

[sidkrose]

ok bloach bhai tell me how do i add my time line . u r right life is not fair boss . i m curruntly writting an artical in one of the news paper they said amend it because my artical is too aggrassive . chose soft words but do not change the theam . the name of artical will be worthless then animal . before i wrote my human looking gods .any way . tell me how to add time line and i want this forume to add a live messanger so that we can chat more quickley .

Goodness, you're trying to get published in a newspaper? An English newspaper? Good luck with THAT endeavour.

 

[Quince777]

Think about what you're doing, you are protesting against a country you want to enter? You don't want to give Canada anymore reason to refuse you.

I will tell you point blank, that's it's a terrible idea. I won't be surprised if the embassy will say you are a security risk and refuse you.

I agree with you. He can cause more problems to his case than resolution by doing this.

 

[Pari4u]

agree with Quince777, you can protest onec you get the PR and then you can share your story to media how it was and how you felt going throught all this process insted protesting right now and get nothing out of end except loosing your case ???

 

[Zouk Princesse]

Is mercury in retrograde or something? There seem to be alot of people up in arms on the forum today!
Be cool dudes...be cool 8)

 

[AAL1984]

You can protest all you want, day and night, it will not change any Canadian immigration rules or Canadian processing times. If anything it may even delay your application.

Immigration rules always tend to be quite tough and void of any reason or logic. For example, there are people who would contribute so much to the country but they can't get status and get deported. Others are a burden on society but their granted permanent status.

It is what it is, you will not change it by protesting, only Canadian citizens can change the system by voting in different people. However, I doubt Canadians care about processing times for immigrants in Pakistan.

I would also argue that compared to the U.S or UK Canada has a pretty generous and open immigration system. For example, in the UK if you are born there, you're not automatically granted UK citizenship, but in Canada you are.

Canada is also far better than the UK and offers far more opportunity and a higher standard of living, I've Lived in London England and have relatives over there who are UK Citizens but want to immigrate out of there.

 

[Baloo]

You can protest all you want, day and night, it will not change any Canadian immigration rules or Canadian processing times. If anything it may even delay your application.

So true.

 

[Quince777]

Is mercury in retrograde or something? There seem to be alot of people up in arms on the forum today!
Be cool dudes...be cool 8)

I hope 2012 will be good for pisces! Are you a specialist in astrology? Any predictions for 2012?

 

[zaig]

well i can see lot people are so coward and so scared that they even dont want to raise their voice for their right .protest dsnt mean violence these countries are democratic countries and people can raise their voice. it is all about bringing things to their consideration . look it is so simple if we go there and protest peacfully that this system is hurting us and over relation. some one replied above and his reply is funny that canada pick people who are burden to society and refuse who can contribute to economy and socitey .. i am not agreed if that is the case then they should never do spouse sponcership ist step then .because then it dsnt matter if your spouse can afford you or not .
other thing is we can build pressure while gathering out side what are your concerns so we can address those basic problems . as if you people see i already post a new topic that reason why paksitanies are ignored and how we can address them but thats what i belive . this is not at all privilage if spouse visa is privilage then they can give it to any one who are not even married to a canadaian person .it is against basic human rights to stop some one and keep him or her away from spouse .yes if some on is security thereat if some one has criminal record some one with fake marriage . yes they should stope him or her . but i am saying about processing time .it can not be like this that u make some one wait for three years to see if he is ok and then when u find it then u allow him or u refuse him . i am not saying what they are doing is wrong they are absolutly doing it rightly but they way they are doing is not right . all these background checks and security checks dsnt take longer then 10 or 20 days for one person it is only that they are lazy and they dont push things for because they are not employee of private sector they are employee of governament dsnt matter if you work on file or not or if you leave it half way .there is no manager to ask you for job got done or not. the more u wait chances are it can damage ur married relation and married life .after marrige that is the best time to live togather and we gave it to processing time and when we reach there we should be looking for future planing but we cant as we have to enjoy that time first which we are missing after marrige this is not good for our future as well as for canadian economy .

 

[Quince777]

well i can see lot people are so coward and so scared that they even dont want to raise their voice for their right .protest dsnt mean violence these countries are democratic countries and people can raise their voice. it is all about bringing things to their consideration . look it is so simple if we go there and protest peacfully that this system is hurting us and over relation. some one replied above and his reply is funny that canada pick people who are burden to society and refuse who can contribute to economy and socitey .. i am not agreed if that is the case then they should never do spouse sponcership ist step then .because then it dsnt matter if your spouse can afford you or not .
other thing is we can build pressure while gathering out side what are your concerns so we can address those basic problems . as if you people see i already post a new topic that reason why paksitanies are ignored and how we can address them but thats what i belive . this is not at all privilage if spouse visa is privilage then they can give it to any one who are not even married to a canadaian person .it is against basic human rights to stop some one and keep him or her away from spouse .yes if some on is security thereat if some one has criminal record some one with fake marriage . yes they should stope him or her . but i am saying about processing time .it can not be like this that u make some one wait for three years to see if he is ok and then when u find it then u allow him or u refuse him . i am not saying what they are doing is wrong they are absolutly doing it rightly but they way they are doing is not right . all these background checks and security checks dsnt take longer then 10 or 20 days for one person it is only that they are lazy and they dont push things for because they are not employee of private sector they are employee of governament dsnt matter if you work on file or not or if you leave it half way .there is no manager to ask you for job got done or not. the more u wait chances are it can damage ur married relation and married life .after marrige that is the best time to live togather and we gave it to processing time and when we reach there we should be looking for future planing but we cant as we have to enjoy that time first which we are missing after marrige this is not good for our future as well as for canadian economy .

All I want to say is that you don't have any rights yet in Canada, you have rights only in Pakistan. You can organize protests in Pakistan like in all Arab countries where people are protesting against their governments for a better life. You can take initiative and organize your group and become a political leader. You can join non-profit organizations who fight for human rights in dictatorship countries, you can volunteer for them in your region. I can't understand the logic behind your thinking that you have rights in Canada. Can somebody else explain it to me?

 

[zaig]

quince i am so thankfull of you for coming up with positive critical arguments . but one thing which i will try to explain it to you is you are missing to understand . it is not paksitani governament which will issue me canadain visa . and one major thing which is my point and you are not paying attention to . this is not a state right this is basic human right . you have to understand that we dint apply for job application that they will process it occording to their desire . we have applied for some thing we have paid for. they are not giving us this in charity they are not picking rendomly like ok lets go to other countries and pick people from their and give them opertunity to come and live in canada . we have applied for this visa because we are married to canadians . the only thing they can do is they can refuse us if we have criminal background if do not meet their criteria but they cant do it to us that although u paid fee although u r married to canadian although you meet all criteria but we will give u visa when we want. my friend you are not understanding this that i am not saying canada is doing wrong the way the are doing it is not convencing . if canada make it more difficulte for fake and frude marragies and also some one with criminal background i will appriciate weather i will support this but my whole point is do it quickly. ask any canadain if he or she is married to some other national and if they want to go there it will take 3 years and see their face then .
let me tell you one thing england set a rule that if any british want to sponcer some one for visit he has to pay deposit to home office one thousand pound . after this india set same rule that any indian sponcering to any other national for visit must deposit 5 thousand to indian home office within a week england remove that rule . do you get my point .

 

[Baloo]

I understand your frustration, but immigration is not a human right.

UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
Article 13 is as close as it gets in my opinion.


(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Item 1 - is within your own borders.
Item 2 - depends on the fact that other countries can refuse entry to anyone who is not a citizen of the country being travelled to (or returning to).

Neither item places freedom to immigrate in the UDHR.

 

[zaig]

Baloo thanks for reply. If immigration is not human right . Then what is it an animal right? If yoi see this who made these laws human for other human . If they make a law tomaro u cant get married to some on out side the boundry of ur country .or apply before it is our choice to allow u getting married with some one out side. What will u do then . I m not geting immigration because they dont want it. I have applied when they said o am eligeble for it . I didnt if their process was much quicker but if they have refused me on geniune reason. U r not getting my point my married life is not slave of some thick head . No one can be my god . I again say that if any other country in the world make such law for canadian will except it they even dont want to apply for visas they want entries. So just i born some where els i have to wait unlimitedly not acceptable for me boss trust me if i dint get visa before this march trust me u will see some one rasied his voice in london . Me andv my wife has made up our mind .she will come to london to live with me . And i will unmask this inhuman behaviour of so called human rights lover if you wNt to live like slave i dont mind because i will not

 

[Baloo]

Baloo thanks for reply. If immigration is not human right . Then what is it an animal right?

As i mentioned previously, immigration is not a right, not in any way, shape, or form.
Canada and other countries offer immigration as a privilege - as you said there are conditions that have to be met, some are clearly stated, some (like the delays and stress) just exist.
But clearly, the country decides who can enter.


If yoi see this who made these laws human for other human . If they make a law tomaro u cant get married to some on out side the boundry of ur country .or apply before it is our choice to allow u getting married with some one out side. What will u do then .

Such laws already exist in many countries, same sex marriage, no divorces allowed.


I m not geting immigration because they dont want it. I have applied when they said o am eligeble for it . I didnt if their process was much quicker but if they have refused me on geniune reason. U r not getting my point my married life is not slave of some thick head . No one can be my god . I again say that if any other country in the world make such law for canadian will except it they even dont want to apply for visas they want entries. So just i born some where els i have to wait unlimitedly not acceptable for me boss trust me if i dint get visa before this march trust me u will see some one rasied his voice in london .

I do not know the details of your application, so i can not comment on it.

Me andv my wife has made up our mind .she will come to london to live with me .

Many couples who apply for family spousal (myself included) know that if immigration to Canada is not possible they will live together in a different country.
They recognise that the point is, being with that person, not being in Canada.


And i will unmask this inhuman behaviour of so called human rights lover if you wNt to live like slave i dont mind because i will not

Couples that have been rejected can in some cases appeal or re-apply, others choose to accept the decision move on with their life, with their partner.
Of course you can use your time protesting, but maybe there are more productive things to do, like enjoying your family (wherever that may be).
Canada is not the only place in the world.

FWIW I am certainly not living like a slave, far from it.
But I guess that our definitions of slavery differ.

 

[MandyUK]

Just like you in your own home if someone comes to your house and asks if they can come in you can refuse.

Everyone has the right to go knock on a counties front door and ask if they can come in, and it is the right of that country to say whether or not they want you to enter. I understand the frustration that is in the waiting, I didn't see my husband for 6 months and that was torture, we had never been separated till then in all of our 12 years of marriage.
So to be separated for 3 years would be unbearable. I wish I could say to you that I think your right in protesting, but I cant, not at the processing stage. You may think that they can only refuse you because of a criminal background or fraud, but like many have told you on here, that immigration will refuse you if they think you are a security risk.

We may think we have the right to enter and stay with our spouses/partners, and think it a crime that they take such lengths to keep us apart in the meantime. But we don't, not really. The IO are at the end of the day human, and they can only judge you by your past and present actions. They don't know you and if you want to stir up a hornets nest, then go right ahead. But I think you will find that this may lead to more delays on your application, it will certainly not get you processed quicker else everyone would be doing it.
I agree, the processing times for some countries is atrocious and makes you wonder what the heck they are doing all that time. But unfortunately you are at the mercy of these people and nothing is going to change that. I can sit here and be happy because for me its all over, but I know all to well as does every single person on this forum knows, how frustrating and lonely a process this is. Protest, its your right, but please don't come back on here and complain when it all goes to pot.