I got job offer but withiut Lmia

[KhalRef]

Dear all, i got a job offer for NOC 2131 , but without LMIA , what should i do and is it hard to get a positive LMIA?!!! Please help , my CRS is 349 and it seems we dont have a chance to be invited without job offer.

 

[mf4361]

CIC treats a job without LMIA as no job.

Getting LMIA is extremely difficult with unemployment rate surges to 7% as of this month. Everybody is searching for jobs, it's particularly difficult if you are in the 3 oil provinces.

My employer advertised my job for LMIA purposes, and got 150 resumes.

 

[KhalRef]

:s thats so sad, i think candian government should change there rules because it is not fair at all,
I hope next year will be change their immigration rules

 

[mf4361]

There had been lots of debate on this page whether this is appropriate since Express Entry was announced.

Election in October so...yea #harperman

 

[kateg]

:s thats so sad, i think candian government should change there rules because it is not fair at all,
I hope next year will be change their immigration rules

Why is it not fair? Why would it be fair for a Canadian to lose a job to a foreigner?

 

[mead]

Why is it not fair? Why would it be fair for a Canadian to lose a job to a foreigner?

why not if the foreigner is more qualified?

 

[kateg]

why not if the foreigner is more qualified?

Because the government of Canada is elected by Canadians, and accountable to Canadians. They represent the interests of Canadians and Canada.

There are approximately 35 million people in Canada. There are approximately 7.1 billion people on the planet. In other words, Canada is around one half of one percent of the world's population.

For almost any job you can name, the odds that a Canadian is the best person on the planet for the job is minimal. Accepting this, the government can either give up on employing Canadians for jobs, or accept that it's their job to serve the people who elect them and try to protect them.

 

[mead]

Because the government of Canada is elected by Canadians, and accountable to Canadians. They represent the interests of Canadians and Canada.

There are approximately 35 million people in Canada. There are approximately 7.1 billion people on the planet. In other words, Canada is around one half of one percent of the world's population.

For almost any job you can name, the odds that a Canadian is the best person on the planet for the job is minimal. Accepting this, the government can either give up on employing Canadians for jobs, or accept that it's their job to serve the people who elect them and try to protect them.

why do u think canadian is a best person for the job? its just ur opinion? so ur saying u were not the best person for the job u got because of which u got lmia and PR? i can bet there would be a canadian who is qualified to do ur job. so question is ur just defending canada because ur in the incroud now. very hypocritical . if a person is more qualified for the job then he should get it . i wouldnt want to go to a doctor who is a doctor just because he is canadian and has skills of a mechanic . just giving a job to someone substandard just because they r canadian is recipe for disaster

 

[mead]

i am not going to comment any further as u sound like white supremacist canada for white people kinda deal

 

[kateg]

why do u think canadian is a best person for the job?

I don't.

its just ur opinion?

No, as I said, 0.5% of the world's population is Canadian. Odds are that the Canadians will not be the best person for the job almost every single time. Someone, somewhere else will be better almost always.

so ur saying u were not the best person for the job u got because of which u got lmia and PR?

Exactly. I was not the best person for the job. I was the best person they could find, and the only qualified candidate that they could find. If they had found a single Canadian that was qualified, I would have been fired and replaced, which is exactly what is supposed to happen.

i can bet there would be a canadian who is qualified to do ur job.

There might be. They advertised all over the place trying to find him. They found two Canadians in their year or so of searching, and offered both of them jobs. They had both already been hired by other companies in the week or so it took to make an offer.

Hiring me was a huge pain, and the paperwork took forever, and cost thousands of dollars. They would really have preferred not to do it, but they were desperate.

so question is ur just defending canada because ur in the incroud now.

Hardly. I was defending Canada before I had P/R, and I will gladly defend merit-based immigration for any and every country on the planet. If I want to immigrate somewhere, it falls on me to meet their needs, not them to meet mine.

very hypocritical

Not at all. I want to immigrate to Canada because of the things that make them great. What's hypocritical is to want to make Canada more like the place I left, or to open the immigration floodgates and make Canada more like other countries.

There's a reason people want to move to Canada more than other countries. What sense is there in making Canada less Canadian?

if a person is more qualified for the job then he should get it

I'd like you to consider something.

If you give every dollar you have to the poor, you become one of them, and there are still poor people. This is true even if you are Bill Gates. At some point, you have to draw a line, and where that line gets drawn is a matter of discussion.

Likewise, with immigration, if you permitted every single person on the planet to come to Canada, it would no longer be Canada. Accepting that, there's a line to be drawn, and one can rationally discuss where to draw it.

i wouldnt want to go to a doctor who is a doctor just because he is canadian and has skills of a mechanic

I wouldn't suggest doing that either. For you, personally, you should seek the best-qualified person within your budget. That's a separate matter entirely from what the government of Canada should do. The government of Canada should give priority to those they serve, Canadians. When there is truly a shortage of qualified candidates, then they should use immigration to fill that shortage while they work on increasing the number of qualified doctors to avoid future shortages.

The government of Canada doesn't need a world-renowned doctor to set a broken bone. If they do need a doctor, though, and no Canadian can be found that's qualified, they should certainly strive to get the world-renowned one. If immigration is necessary, get the best. If it's not necessary, don't do it.

just giving a job to someone substandard just because they r canadian is recipe for disaster

Hence the term qualified. They need to meet the standard, which is different from needing to be the best.

 

[kateg]

i am not going to comment any further as u sound like white supremacist canada for white people kinda deal

Strawman arguments and ad-hominem attacks. Nice.

I value cultural heritage, and think that countries should act in the interest of their citizens. Somehow, that makes me a white supremacist?

Would it surprise you to know that I feel the same way about Africa, Japan, and India? Of course, thinking that Japan should take care of the Japanese is perfectly acceptable - it's only when that's suggested for western countries that you get labelled a white supremacist.

 

[AshesNdust]

why not if the foreigner is more qualified?

That's the entire point of the LMIA. The employer has to prove that the foriegn is more qualified than the Canadian or that they can't find a qualified Canadian willing to do the job. It's completely fair.

 

[kateg]

That's the entire point of the LMIA. The employer has to prove that the foriegn is more qualified than the Canadian or that they can't find a qualified Canadian willing to do the job. It's completely fair.

For the LMIA, they don't require more qualified. They require that they can't find a qualified Canadian. After that, they want the most qualified people, but that's not technically a requirement at this point in time. In other words, if there is a single qualified Canadian applicant (one who's good enough), they legally can't hire foreigners, even if the foreigners are much, much better.

That's how we end up with many tradesmen and cooks, etc. - the LMIA process is intended to address labour shortages. My employer found a couple of qualified foreigners, but no Canadians - this gave them the flexibility to hire the best foreigner they could.

 

[KhalRef]

I mean by "Unfair", that EE is for getting new immigrants so they should make it easier or at least distribute the CRS points in a good way , 600 points for job offer is not fair at all , then no one will immigrate to canada, only people already living and working in canada will be invited, then what is the use of immigration if no one from outside can be invited!?!!? Go and see statics of draws and the report, there is not much applicants above CRS 600 ( there is one with CRS 649 !!! That means his qualifications are just 49 !!!!) and the others invited are above 450 and those already work and live in canada !!?? So what is the benefit from such pointing system

 

[AshesNdust]

I mean by "Unfair", that EE is for getting new immigrants so they should make it easier or at least distribute the CRS points in a good way , 600 points for job offer is not fair at all , then no one will immigrate to canada, only people already living and working in canada will be invited, then what is the use of immigration if no one from outside can be invited!?!!? Go and see statics of draws and the report, there is not much applicants above CRS 600 ( there is one with CRS 649 !!! That means his qualifications are just 49 !!!!) and the others invited are above 450 and those already work and live in canada !!?? So what is the benefit from such pointing system

The people getting 600 points for an LMIA are immigrants. So are immigrants that are already in Canada. Not having PR or not being in the process of getting PR, doesn't mean you can't immigrate to Canada. Many people come to Canada as temporary workers and then start the process of becoming a PR. That's what the CEC was created for.
The reason for giving LMIAs the extra points is because these immigrants have proven they have a job that was not taken away from a Canadian, they will have the funds to support themselves, and they have skills in an area that Canada is lacking. This is a lot of what Canada is looking for when it comes to immigrants.
The EE was create because the previous system was based on a first come, first serve system. This was causing immigrants with highly sought after skills to not be able to attain PR because their applications, which sometimes took longer to fill out, were turned in after the caps were reached. And the caps were filled with people that were, at times less qualified.
While I can understand wanting to immigrate to Canada, just because the process doesn't favor you, doesn't make it unfair. The EE makes total sense and it helps bring in the types of immigrants Canada wants. Not enough immigrants isn't a problem for Canada. If it does become a problem, the CIC will no doubt change their process again
You have to remember this is design for Canada and what they feel is best for their country. Not what is best for specific individuals outside of their country.