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You can't move to a first world country and expect to get stuff for nothing or not be expected to contribute in a significant way to maintain the standard of the society you have now chosen to live in.

Housing is very expensive in the Canadian cities - all you have to do is look up a housing website such as www.realtor.ca to find this out.
Also, look up the Canadian Revenue Service - it will tell you exactly how much you can expect to pay in income tax.
You can do stuff like this from your own home in your own country before you ever get on a plane and move anywhere.

Australia is the same - I have lived here for 10 years and can tell you that the cost of living is very high, espcially if you come from a country such as China, India, Pakistan etc. Our water bills went up 20% this year and our power bills have increased 50% in the last 5 years alone.

It is my personal opinion that many applicants are not doing the basic kind of research about Canadian society and how much it really costs to live there, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing topics like this.

Canada has been affected by the US recession and people should not be optimistic about finding work so quickly. The Canadian unemployment rate is about 8% at the moment - not exactly great news.

If you don't know all the facts before you move somewhere, you are going to be in for a very big shock.
 

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It is urgently required that Jckdry should stop writing on this thread. He is failing to understand that he is trying to be highly inconsiderate n selfish by sharing such negative points. I am glad that he has pointed certain issues but its only for information and not to discourage the new immigrants.

I would humbly request him to go back to his country and take the way home with heaps of pot holes , rapes/murders , duping , fraud , bribery , TAX , high cost of education , poor infrastructure and the like. and then compare after paying Tax there. What you get...NOTHING BUT FRUSTRATION.
I am very sure if he still gets a chance, he will be the first person to grab the Canadian passport for the benefits but sad he doesnt want to serve them with a smile n a positive attitude with a long term Vision for himself n spclly his KIDS...


Please mention some motivating points like good weather , exellent infrastructure , free edu , high standard for medicals or old age pension. Will he get any pension in his home country even after paying tax for years , spclly if he works for private company.

Make and use this forum to educate and motivate people....STOP BACK BITTING !!!

Guys keep smiling and be positive, nothing is impossible. We will make it happen. SUCCESS COMES TO THOSE , WHO ARE READY FOR IT.

Good luck to all.
 

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He wants to return to India after recouping all he spent on Immigration......So he is making money after all the so called unfavourable taxes? He invited his family to a God-forsaken-nation of high taxes a year after he landed, yet he is still complaining!

Why are human beings so bad? of course things may be hard the first tone - two years but assuming there is serious war in his country now, would he think of going back? Well, may be he owns his business back home or betterstill unemployementrate in india is -10%
 

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Right said:
He wants to return to India after recouping all he spent on Immigration......So he is making money after all the so called unfavourable taxes? He invited his family to a God-forsaken-nation of high taxes a year after he landed, yet he is still complaining!

Why are human beings so bad? of course things may be hard the first tone - two years but assuming there is serious war in his country now, would he think of going back? Well, may be he owns his business back home or betterstill unemployementrate in india is -10%
We being from the countries where taxes are on hike but dont' c any benefit in return besides paying taxes for years. I dont' mean curse to my country. I luv it but the regimes that are making life miserable for the tax payers and compeling them to step out. Gentleman who is complaining about high taxes etc etc will offcourse be enjoying the benefits...if he is the tax payer. Well tax system does not offer equivalent return but a justified one in countries like Canada amd Europe.

And above all, if v plan for a move either JOB or IMMIGRATION, everything should be considered in minute details before making up the mind rather than complaining and cursing the opportunity for not being fair with him/her. Canada opened its' doors to serve, earn and live better. I think those who have made good living in Canada also share their experiences and guide to those who feel depressed.

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Housing is very expensive in the Canadian cities - all you have to do is look up a housing website such as www.realtor.ca to find this out.

Australia is the same - I have lived here for 10 years and can tell you that the cost of living is very high, espcially if you come from a country such as China, India, Pakistan etc.
I don't think so. For example, Vancouver's Olympic Village might look very expensive to most locals but investors from China, Russia etc. might not think the same.

The cost of living may be high in Canada but at least the food grown here is safe to consume when compare to China's milk powder contamination in 2008.
 

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Deeaar said:
It is urgently required that Jckdry should stop writing on this thread. He is failing to understand that he is trying to be highly inconsiderate n selfish by sharing such negative points. I am glad that he has pointed certain issues but its only for information and not to discourage the new immigrants.

I would humbly request him to go back to his country and take the way home with heaps of pot holes , rapes/murders , duping , fraud , bribery , TAX , high cost of education , poor infrastructure and the like. and then compare after paying Tax there. What you get...NOTHING BUT FRUSTRATION.
I am very sure if he still gets a chance, he will be the first person to grab the Canadian passport for the benefits but sad he doesnt want to serve them with a smile n a positive attitude with a long term Vision for himself n spclly his KIDS...


Please mention some motivating points like good weather , exellent infrastructure , free edu , high standard for medicals or old age pension. Will he get any pension in his home country even after paying tax for years , spclly if he works for private company.

Make and use this forum to educate and motivate people....STOP BACK BITTING !!!

Guys keep smiling and be positive, nothing is impossible. We will make it happen. SUCCESS COMES TO THOSE , WHO ARE READY FOR IT.

Good luck to all.


Very well said deeaar! I thought this forum is for information not for negativity right? I hope jckdry will find some happiness and contentment in your heart. You just need to learn how to deal with everything. In the first place you shouldn't have migrate to Canada if you're not ready for whatever coz migrating in another country especially first world countries consist of not only the good side but also some downside so if you're not ready for it just go back to your home country and stop complaining. Goodluck to you.
 

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i have been here since june 2009 - almost 1 and half years
this country has alot of taxes and not many opportunities for new immigrants -
high rent
high expenses
pay about 12 -15 % tax when u spend
and pay 30 % tax when u earn
so they have 45 % of your pay and then rest u spend in high car insurances and rents and high groceries
hard to survive here without 2 jobs
some even do 3 jobs

please please dont leave your jobs in your current country in lie of getting permanent residency in canada

its a country for u if u r billionaire and want to spend your money here
i am seriously considering going back to my previous country where i left a good job to come here
its all about taking the money u have - instead of giving u anything
please evaluate and think 5 to 10 times before moving here
Talking about taxes in Canada, atleast you get the value for your taxes paid. Here in India, we pay so much more & get nothing in return. We pay to fill Politicians & Bureaucrats pockets only. For e.g.:

1. Income Tax-30%
2. Excise & Customs Duty on all manufactured products - 15% average
3. VAT/Sales Tax on products we buy - 13% average
4. Service Tax - 10.3%

Their are many more such as Octroi, Corporation Taxes, Fringe Benefit Taxes, Capital Gains Tax, Wealth Tax, Entertainment Tax, Luxury Tax, surcharges on all taxes & so many more that probably I don't even know. Above all commodities like petrol, diesel etc. are heavily taxed to the tune of almost 100% of the basic value. Movies, Liquor, lottery etc. are also taxed at 100%.

The best part is only 15% of the population pays taxes & the salaried bear the burden of the balance 85%.
To top it all we have to deal with rampant & open corruption to get any official work done. We begin our day fighting for Water, Electricity & end the day fighting for a parking spot.

People here are extremely insensitive to other people's space. We have to "adjust" for everything we do, because of the over-population. Pollution, Dust & the heat choke your lungs most of the time. Poverty & unemployment are at it's peak. Etc. etc.

I certainly don't think after all this it is not worth to move to Canada or any developed country where they invite immigrants.

Personally I want to lead a better life & enjoy the finer aspects of life rather then struggle the whole day long for just basic amenities.

Rgds,
 
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Let us not blame too much Mr. Jckdry, I think he is just trying to spill his feeling Bcoz when some one come to canada and start all over again and see things are not happening in his way then
people start loosing heart and hopes. Lets be friendly and not accused him that he is discouraging people.
As someone mentioned that every one has to do some basic research before coming to Canada, I think thats it where you will learn all types of ups & down.

Also please stop advertising any country's bad side, this forum is not for discussing how India/Pakistan/other country works or what is bad their.

SOme member mentioned about India pot holes , rapes/murders , duping , fraud , bribery , TAX , high cost of education , my dear fren are u dreaming. Which country on this planet does not have these issues

Login to Internet ( if you are not in canada) and see Canada news, you will learn how many rapes occur in Canada with teens,old ladies,young ladies etc... and what level of corruptions are here
Long story in short, On earth no place is heaven and 100% good.

All elements good or bad comes from human being and human being is the only thing you will find everywhere on this planet, having said that, good and bad will always walk togather its upto us to choose and keep ourself spare from bad one.

Lets be focused on our goal of getting PR rather pin-pointing our home land issue. If you are so much concern then do something to bring change to your home land for your own people else don't talk.

Its alwasy easy to critisize but how many actually want to change very few ..
 

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pv said:
Lets be friendly and not accused him that he is discouraging people.

i don't know...he did start another topic
http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/most-taxy-country-t56568.0.html;msg480398#msg480398 and contains the same original post as this one...

what could be your purpose mr.jckdry?
 

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Other fact is that his past post reflects that he got visa in Mrch 2010 and landed in April 2010 and I fail to understand why is he claiming that he is there since 2009

Check some of his past posts below

"we are landing on 7 april 2010
I have question on proof of funds
if i carry bank statement from indian bank dated 5 april 2010 of indian rupee equivalent to required 17000 CAD will it work while landing
We can transfer the money online as we need and we do not need to carry cash or check, etc
Will we be allowed entry in canada with bank statement and no cash/ check with us ?
What should we answer at the border when they ask how much money r guys taking with u ?
should we say 17000 as we r gonna transfer it online

We have family in canada and we r going to stay and they r going to take care of all expenses.
please help if anyone has any idea
thanks"


I am flying on 7 april and need to exchange about 7 lakh indian rupees for canadian dollars before i fly
Can anyone suggest best exchange rate for this is available at which bank or place?




"My ecas still shows in process - i guesss it will change this tuesday
" - Posted on March 7th 2010
 

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Guys please give Jckdry a break. He has very humbly expressed his views. He has clearly stated that "he" doesn't like living in Canada. As an individual he has all the right to express himself.

In fact he has triggererd a very useful dsicussion which will give all of us valuable information about Canada. By doing this, we all are now aware of challenges of migrating to a new world. Now we can better prepare ourselves and may not find ourselves in the same situation that Jckdry found himself to be in as he was unaware of what he was getting into.

Everyone should be aware of the challenges and opportunities that are out there. Only then we can better plan ourselves.

Peace!
 

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this guy is giving different stories in different places. Did he land in 2010 or 2008 or 2009. If before 2010, then why he needs POF for landing this year.
Its all lies

Even if it was true, then it is okay to say bad things about one's experience. This site is not just for positives but for reality, whether it is positive or negative. But this OP is lying anyway, so who cares.
 

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Dear JCKdry,

Following thread posted by "Josh" and his experienece and struggle is one of the best thread i have ever come across not only on this site but i bet in my entire life.
Pl. read it ,it will give you the moral boost ..for rest of the guys who have read it,pl. bear.
One more thing-DO u know what is the greatest joy of life?
The joy of accomplishment is considered to be the greatest joy of life.Pl. work towards achieving the task and then feel the joy of accomplishment,i bet nothing is more beautiful than that in this life!!!
Good luck buddy!!
Regards,
Nevil

The following is a copy-paste of only 1 of 3 posts* by user 'josh'. It is a Must Read by all of us. As the great guy is busy now-a-days and his 'dil se' write-up might go into oblivion; Thus, I'm taking the liberty of reproducing it here :

*For the original click: http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/this-is-how-you-succeed-in-canada-t29170.0.html

This is how you succeed in Canada
November 17, 2009, 11:09:04 am
Author: josh

Hear is my story... take the time to read it, if nothing you might at least save a few pennies and a couple of sleepless nights.

I have been a silent viewer on this forum, I have read a lot of arguments and I appreciate the zeal of most people. The positive approach some people have displayed in spite of all the negative and discouraging information is really inspiring.

I have been in Canada for over 25 months now, migrated from India, to quickly answer some of the biting questions in your head....

1, Am I doing well---Yes I am, maybe not as good as I would have liked it but I am happy.
2, Was I doing well back in India--- Very well.
3, Am I happy to have made the switch----No doubt about that.
4, Did I have to struggle and go through hard times----- Very very hard times, I've had to hang on by my tooth and claws.
5, Would I do it again---Damn sure I would.

BUT
6, Would I go about it in the same way that I did----NO, This post is to help you guys avoid the same mistake that I made and to give something back to people like me 25 months ago, I would have NEVER been able to do it without the help of many good hearted people, God bless em.

So here is my story......

But before that I just want to mention that I have met a lot of immigrants, some who have done well some not so well and others worse. The common line among all the immigrants were certain qualifications and these are a must according to me and my experience if you have to succeed, if you don't have these qualifications then you will be putting yourself in deep trouble.

At the risk of sounding dreadfully dull and at a horrible effort at instigating motivation here are the qualification you need to have:

a, Determination... If you are not absolutely determined its a waste of time.
b, Perseverance...The heart to go on in spite of all odds, never failing to loose the strength to take another step, NEVER NEVER give up, its your life and you cant give up on it.
c, Hard work....Try to be the best in whatever you do, don't work hard because you have to or because you are being watched just work hard coz you WANT to. Even if you are polishing shoes and if you are the best in doing that you will achieve glory someday. NOT BORN TO BE A MEDIOCRE attitude.
d, Good Heart.... A good heart to help people in need, may not just be financially (if that is not possible) but a kind word, a passionate hug, an encouraging line to any fellow in need. A genuine good wish and prayer from someone thankful can even move the Heart of GOD.

So, my story then, My God, its just starting, even I am tired already. I'll make it short.

Got my visa after a long and painful wait...Quit our jobs, my wife and me (first mistake, will explain later) scooped up all our savings, got our children out of school with appropriate planning so that they don't miss out a year. Did our lil research, said our prayers and got on the plane. Landed in Vancouver, some website told us that this was the worlds best place to live and raise a family (mistake number two). Checked into the hotel and began house hunting, looked at all the nice neighbourhoods and selected a house based on our budget (third mistake) so far so good, we thought. Put our kids to school and began the mammoth task of job hunting ( 25-30 days and 2000 dollars down).

Me wife and me are well qualified and based on our experiences we made absolutely wonderful resumes and started applying ( fourth mistake). Amazing responses, calls every day but that was that, stopped at calls after realising we don't have any Canadian qualification or experience. We were not too worried initially but as time passed it started to get a little uncomfortable( down by 3 months and 4000 dollars). We then started trying to get help and advise from the locals, mixed responses, very conflicting as everyone were from different circumstances. We then had to downgrade our resumes (as one of the refusal feedback was that we were over qualified) and start applying, still luck eluded us. Every dollar spent was like fire in the belly growing hotter. Five-six months later we were desperate and ready to take any job that was available to us. A month later, my wife got a job and few weeks later it was my turn to get lucky to get a job.

These were not nearly ideal jobs that we were hoping for but some income was better than nothing. It killed me to see my wife doing data entry who was working for ICICI bank back in India and managing a whole branch and had won many awards for being the best run branch , just typing away 8 hours a day. I never really had the courage to ask how she felt seeing me flip burgers when I had 120 employees working for me at Hewlett Packard back in India.

Though both of us were earning still we were not able to make enough money to stop digging away from our savings. The house rent, bills, travel to & fro to work, food and the most expensive of the lot, child minders for our kids, to pick them up from school and take care until my wife gets back home. I was working over time, nearly 12 hours a day but could not sustain ourselves, we then switched our plan and I took up night shift and weekends while my wife worked in the day, I would wake up cook and get the kids back home and put them in front of the telly and pass out on the couch. I was ready to leave for work and would be waiting at the door to rush out to get the train, sometimes I must admit, with wet eyes while walking to the train station.At all time, I tried real hard to put a brave face for my wife and my two little angels, one kiss at the door everyday was all the interaction I had with my wife. That and kisses from my two little angels is what kept me going.

Even though we had figured out a way to save the child minders costs we were just making enough to live a very limited life. My children deserved more time from us, at least from one of us. I dint want them to grow up without that. I forced my wife to work only part time, moved to a smaller house, took up work for 12 hours every night, 6 days a week. I could not miss a single days work, no work no money. Life seemed a little better for a while, at least for my wife and kids.

When all seemed in control ( at least better than a few months ago ) another blow (forgive me for saying that but that's what it seemed like at that time), I was hardly with my wife a few times since we started working and she was pregnant for the second time ( we had twins the first time) in spite of all the caution we had taken. The irony was, we had to try for almost a year the first time around to get pregnant. If that was not all, it was twins AGAIN. The odds of that happening, twins twice, was 10 million to one or so I was told. This was about the time when I could sense my wife giving up. I could not imagine how we could afford the expenses of additional two babies in our present circumstances.

To cut it short, we had to go through more hardships, we had to move again and again until we were in what one would call a single room apartment.

Was this what we left everything and came here? Was this the life in Canada?
How could we have been so wrong in our assessment?
Are we losers and should go back home crawling like one?

BUT WAIT NO, I thought,

If I we had the luck of having two twins which is very very rare then we surely should be blessed. And I will not let all the sacrifices my family and I have made go for a waste, I did not want my kids to see their father give up when I have always told them never to give up. I was even more determined to move on.

Things turned around, of all the mistakes that I made I had done one thing right, I had really put in my best at work, nobody could do stuff in the kitchen like I could. For most people out there this was just a job, for me it was food in my kids bellies and the last straw of hope in keeping my dreams alive.

I got so many appreciations and management started noticing me, My work was perfect no matter there was someone watching over me or not. As a matter of fact I used to perform even better when I was not supervised. the management quickly saw this and moved the night shift supervisor to another branch to save costs. There was no impact on the business even though I was all alone in the kitchen all night. It was barely any time I was made a supervisor and I had enough money now and did not have to work 12 hours and 6 days. But I did, as my wife had stopped working coz of her pregnancy, we took this opportunity to get her to study and get some certifications in her line of work which were recognised in Canada. She came out with flying colours as she was twice as smart than any certification she sat for. She scored 100% in every damn thing.

We had two healthy little angels again, within four months she started applying with the Canadian certifications and she got a decent job, within a very short time her employers realised her potential and moved her to a different role with more responsibilities and more salary as well.

She did not eat for two days until I agreed to quit my job and stay home with my kids and take up some kind of studying myself. The first few days after I quit I slept for 15 hours every day, it seemed like heaven as I had not had so much sleep in many months. I then started studying at home and taking care of the babies while my wife worked. She was getting paid more than what we had earned collectively so it was fine.

I finished a few certifications and also got decent job. We both feel that we can grow in the companies that we are currently in because of our experience and knowledge and also the effort we have put in to get so far.

We have now moved a good two bed apartment and got ourselves a second-had Ford Mondeo, and now we can see the light at the end of the tunnel and any hope of realising our dreams.

Now let me talk about the mistakes I think I made and what I would have done differently if I had to do this all over again.

1st Mistake -, Quitting both our jobs. My wife was working for an Indian Company( ICICI) but I was working for a global company (HEWLETT PACKARD). I should have tried to get a internal transfer, Global companies do hire from within. I agree that it would not have been easy but I am sure not as difficult as what I went through. I might have had to go down several levels and wait for maybe a year or two which is still a worthwhile thing to do.

If that was absolutely not possible I would then quit my job leave my wife and kids behind and go to Canada myself.

2, Mistake - Trying to settle down with out first getting a job. If I am alone I can get a temporary accommodation and be more flexible to move where ever there is opportunity, even move to different cities, with family it is not possible. this will also keep my costs very very low.

3,Mistake - Unless you related to tourism and hospitality industry don't go to Vancouver. Calgary is good for people in oil industry but as a
general rule of thumb there are much more jobs in Toronto that any other place. There are many immigrants there , right, but this is not entirely bad as the employers in Toronto are more used to the Immigrants and are less biased compared to other places.
4, Mistake - I expected to get a great job, like the one I had back in India right away. This does not happen with 99% of the people. You cant just pick up from where you left unless you have some kind of Canadian qualification or internally transferred from within your company.

As soon as you land get yourself some/any job that you can land yourself in and ensure that your monthly expenditure is less that what you earn. Yes you might have to compromise a great deal on where you live and stuff. Make sure you spend as little money as possible from your savings. Immediately get into some kind of course/certification in your line that is recognised in Canada, use your savings for that. Don't waste even one day.

Make sure once you have secured some certifications and you are looking for a job that is in your line of work. You would already have a job, however bad but a job nevertheless. All your focus should be to get a job in your line of work and not towards getting a little more money, this is because if you get to do something in your line of work you will naturally do well.

Once you have set your foot in and fairly confident its time to get your wife..... NOT KIDS, just wife. I know it can be very difficult to leave kids behind but you will have to make some sacrifices to ensure that you do it the right way.

Now that your wife is there, just get her to do some part time work focus entirely on getting Canadian qualification in her line of work.

Always remember there will be totally unexpected things that will come up ( my wife's pregnancy for example ) and make sure you have put away some money for emergencies, however little, something is better than nothing.

Only get a permanent family home when you and your wife are working, in your respective line of work and the get your kids. Things would have been a lot easier if I had done it this way rather than the way I adopted.

THE SATISFACTION YOU GET AND THE WAY YOUR SELF CONFIDENCE IS BOOSTED WILL BE WORTH ALL THE EFFORT. ONCE YOU HAVE SETTLED IN YOU WILL HAVE VERY FEW AND JUST MUNDANE THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT, LIFE IN CANADA WILL SEEM VERY ENJOYABLE THEN.

Please feel free to ask me any questions that may crop up, I wish this was helpful and God bless you all.

Ps: I have reformatted it to look a bit better. The contents are untouched.
 

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nice story and experience
but i dont like to struggle - oh well thats my personal thing or feeling and way of living
i would rather enjoy life like i did in india with very low stress

i dont wanna discourage anyone in coming to canada or getting pr - may be they can succeed here as alot of immigrants do anyway
i just shared my experience on blog as sometimes i feel alot
and i dont even wanna disclose miseries to people that i know inperson in canada

i think what i shared may help some people to get out of honeymoon phase they get into after getting pr visa and may help them succeeding