I am REALLY confused about the medical form IMM1017 - How and When?

[zardoz]

I'm really sorry that this has to be my first post and I have tried to find out the answers by searching but there maybe just too much information on here for me to find the answers that I am looking for. Consider me an immigration newbie...

I am a UK citizen living in England with my wife who is a Canadian citizen.
We have been married eight years and she has decided that it is now time to "go home" back to Canada, so obviously she is sponsoring me as her spouse. The application is being done from the UK, so I think that's referred to as "outland" with London as our nominated Visa Office.
As far as we can tell, we have got everything organised for the application package, including all the forms, documentary proofs, evidence of relationship etc, EXCEPT the medical form IMM1017 that is referred to in the checklist.

Please can somebody clarify how the medical process works in terms of how IMM1017 is obtained, where from and when in the process? The initial application document checklist implies that you must have it BEFORE the application is sent off but I have read that it is generated by CIC or the local VO and sent to us after they have already started processing the application package. The Medical Examination will be done in the UK at an approved DMP. I have already tried to contact the nearest one for information but they didn't even bother to reply.

We need to get this right first time and I don't want to introduce any complications or delay in the process, so any advice is welcome.

Many thanks.

 

[fandv]

I'm really sorry that this has to be my first post and I have tried to find out the answers by searching but there maybe just too much information on here for me to find the answers that I am looking for. Consider me an immigration newbie...

I am a UK citizen living in England with my wife who is a Canadian citizen.
We have been married eight years and she has decided that it is now time to "go home" back to Canada, so obviously she is sponsoring me as her spouse. The application is being done from the UK, so I think that's referred to as "outland" with London as our nominated Visa Office.
As far as we can tell, we have got everything organised for the application package, including all the forms, documentary proofs, evidence of relationship etc, EXCEPT the medical form IMM1017 that is referred to in the checklist.

Please can somebody clarify how the medical process works in terms of how IMM1017 is obtained, where from and when in the process? The initial application document checklist implies that you must have it BEFORE the application is sent off but I have read that it is generated by CIC or the local VO and sent to us after they have already started processing the application package. The Medical Examination will be done in the UK at an approved DMP. I have already tried to contact the nearest one for information but they didn't even bother to reply.

We need to get this right first time and I don't want to introduce any complications or delay in the process, so any advice is welcome.

Many thanks.

Hi mate

No worries; it's really simple. You get IMM 1017 at the end of your medical exam session, from your DMP. Yor DMP retains another copy, which he/she then will send to the Canadian government.

When you send your application to CPC-Mississauga, you will need to include the IMM 1017 slip that you should have obtained from the DMP's office. Then when CPC-Mississauga has approved your wife to sponsor you, they will transfer the whole paperwork to the London visa office, and the people at the London visa office will match the medical results that they should've got from the DMP, with the IMM 1017 that you sent them .

So yes you're absolutely right: you should make sure to do the medical exam (and obtain IMM 1017) BEFORE submitting the application to CPC-Mississauga.

The medical results are valid for 1 year, so you should do the medical exam when you're just about ready to send the application to CPC-Mississauga, that way the results will still be as fresh/new as possible. We wanted to send our application by the end of December 2012 at the very latest, and so we got my wife to do her medical exam on 12 December 2012, but apparently the Indonesian provincial police took so long to release her police clearance, that we ended up sending our application on 22 January 2013!

My wife got the old IMM 1017, and it's got green colour. Not sure how the new one looks like.

That's it!

Today I actually wrote a very detailed post about how the medical thing works...you can read point #1 under "My thoughts:". You should read it as I wrote more tips there. Good luck!

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/colombian-spouse-starting-pr-visa-t133521.0.html;msg2048562#msg2048562

 

[zardoz]

Now I'm really confused because the DMP here in the UK states in their instructions that I must bring the IMM1017 with me to my appointment. See ***.bridge-clinic.com/immigrtn-canada.htm

It seems to me that there is a degree of "Catch-22" going on here because there is nowhere to download a copy of the form they ask for.

Regards,
Z.

 

[fandv]

Now I'm really confused because the DMP here in the UK states in their instructions that I must bring the IMM1017 with me to my appointment. See ***.bridge-clinic.com/immigrtn-canada.htm

It seems to me that there is a degree of "Catch-22" going on here because there is nowhere to download a copy of the form they ask for.

Regards,
Z.

Alright I know exactly what's going on. I guess your DMP hasn't been informed about the new form by the CIC. The same thing happened to my wife's DMP too!

Here's what happened: in the past (when the old version of IMM 1017 was still being used), the sponsored person had to bring "Appendix C" which could be found in the regional guide. The regional guide is different from one country to another. You're English and therefore your regional guide is IMM 3901:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/guides/3901e.pdf

So the Appendix C must be the very thing that your DMP asked you to bring.

HOWEVER...since the introduction of the new medical forms, the CIC has removed appendix C from the regional guide, apparently. If you look at the current IMM 3901, you'll see that at the lower left corner of the very very first page, it says 12-2012, which means that the CIC updated it in December 2012. You'll not find Appendix C there (The older IMM 3901 had Appendix C at the very last page.)

I am not sure whether that means that Appendix C is no longer necessary, or that the CIC just decided to move it elsewhere for no strong reason!

I did a little search at Google, and fortunately I found this:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/dmp-handbook/appendix-02.asp

From which I found the Appendix C (standalone!) that your DMP must've referred to:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/dmp-handbook/pdf/AppendixC_e.pdf (this is the exact thing that my wife brought to her DMP)

By the way, I had a look at the website that you gave me: ***.bridge-clinic.com/immigrtn-canada.htm and I believe the instruction about the medical forms is somewhat misleading/confusing. It says "A completed Form 1017 Section A, Appendix C or Appendix D" (forget about Appendix D; I think it's very, very old)

Pay attention to the part that I bolded in red...I have no idea why the website says that you have to bring IMM 1017, because it's what the DMP is supposed to give you.

My wife brought Appendix C to her DMP, and in turn the DMP gave her the old IMM 1017 (called Copy 2 of the Medical Report - Section A). I was actually with my wife, and I saw the doctor's clinic give her IMM 1017, NOT the other way around.

Something's not right with your DMP's website I think ;D

 

[Farfelu]

As of November 1st, 2012, the old Appendix C (IMM 1017) is no longer required by CIC. It was posted in a bulletin here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/bulletins/2012/ob471.asp

I believe in the OP's case all he needs to do is to appear at the DMP or panel physician's office for the medical check-up who may already have an electronic form ready to fill out on the spot. Not sure though whether the examiner will produce a copy for the applicant to attach to his application. Double check the panel physician's manual to be sure.

 

[Farfelu]

update here: looking at the panel physician's manual, it says this on page 7:

"UFM examinations are performed when clients report to a panel physician for their IME before a visa application has been submitted to CIC. Clients who undergo UFMs will not have a Medical Report (IMM 1017) issued by CIC" ... and further down: "The (IMM 1017B UFM) form will be completed and page 1 must be submitted along with all other IME forms. - Page 2 must be provided to the client for submission to CIC along with the visa application."

So basically you need to go to the med office, get the medical done, the physician will issue Page 2 of IMM 1917B UFM which you'll need to include in your application. It's pretty much the same process as in the past, except that currently you don't need to bring any forms to the medical exam because the physician should already have it with him.

Good luck.

 

[zardoz]

I am no longer confused. I followed up on the information in this thread and got on the phone to the "local" DMP.
The web site must be in dire need of an overhaul, because it's just not at all clear. The lady on the phone seemed to understand the confusion completely. What is interesting is that they seemed to want some evidence that I needed an IME but of course the only evidence is the filled in application forms to be sent to CPC. Sigh...

They have made an appointment for me, so I have now until next Monday to really get into shape
I think however that as a Spousal Sponsorship, I should be in the EDE class and not likely to "fail" as such. Correct?

Thanks to everybody, especially in understanding and clearing up the mixed messages that I was getting.

Z.

 

[OhCanadiana]

I am no longer confused. I followed up on the information in this thread and got on the phone to the "local" DMP.
The web site must be in dire need of an overhaul, because it's just not at all clear. The lady on the phone seemed to understand the confusion completely. What is interesting is that they seemed to want some evidence that I needed an IME but of course the only evidence is the filled in application forms to be sent to CPC. Sigh...

They have made an appointment for me, so I have now until next Monday to really get into shape
I think however that as a Spousal Sponsorship, I should be in the EDE class and not likely to "fail" as such. Correct?

Thanks to everybody, especially in understanding and clearing up the mixed messages that I was getting.

Z.

Yes, you are EDE exempt so you "are not evaluated or assessed for inadmissibility on the grounds of expected demands on health and/or social services." However, they will still check if you have a health condition that "is likely to be a danger to public health or public safety" so they could fail you or postpone your application for a transmissible disease (e.g., if you have TB they can request that you undergo and complete treatment before you move).

 

[zardoz]

OK, here's another challenging question on the same Form IMM 1017B for the experts on here.

Why, if the UFM form is ONLY used for Family Class sponsorships, are there check boxes for "Student", "Visitor", "Worker", "Family (EDE)" and "Refugee" on it?

More importantly, what the **** does one do if the Panel Physician has ticked the "Worker" box instead of the "Family (EDE)" box on the front?

My guess is that the Canadian Immigration system is clever enough to figure out a minor clerical error by one of their own DMPs and ensure that the correct category is actually used to make the assessment, but who knows...

I have informed the Clinic of the error but not yet had a reply. Seriously, it makes me very annoyed... Grrr...

 

[canadianwoman]

We've had lots of complaints that the DMP, and/or their staff, didn't exactly know what to do or what forms to fill out and how. I'd check the form over carefully before leaving the office, tell the receptionist the wrong box was checked and ask to have it corrected. I assume in your case it is too late to do that, so just add a note to your application (if you haven't sent it in yet) explaining this minor error. I'm guessing even if you didn't, CIC would still get the right form matched up to your file and figure everything out though.

 

[Tikuli]

I'm joining in to the confusion still.
I am applying for Family Class Sponsorship, as my husband is a Canadian citizen, and we plan on moving to Canada.
On the one hand, the checklist says you need to submit the medical examination with the application, and the panel physician's manual implies the same.
On the other hand the doctor I called said that only after my file is forwarded to the local VO, do I get the form, and the CIC guide says "Instructions on how to take the medical examination will normally be sent to you after you submit your application to the visa office."

Also, implied in some of the answers I read is that the case for Family Class Sponsorship may be different than other kinds of application. Did I get it right, or else?

So which one is it?
Before or after?

 

[canadianwoman]

What visa office will you be going through?
Also, did you apply outland or inland? Inland applicants wait to do their medicals when requested. Outland applicants almost always have to send proof they did the medical in with the original application.
There are many different types of immigrants, and most of the other types do wait for the embassy to send a request. So the doctor is probably mixing you up with a potential student or federal skilled worker.
Basically, though, if you are applying outland, you get the proof you did the medical exam from the doctor and send it in with the application. The doctor is now supposed to have these forms on his computer.

 

[zardoz]

We've had lots of complaints that the DMP, and/or their staff, didn't exactly know what to do or what forms to fill out and how. I'd check the form over carefully before leaving the office, tell the receptionist the wrong box was checked and ask to have it corrected. I assume in your case it is too late to do that, so just add a note to your application (if you haven't sent it in yet) explaining this minor error. I'm guessing even if you didn't, CIC would still get the right form matched up to your file and figure everything out though.

The DMP recognized that they had screwed up and asked for the form that they gave to be returned for correction.
Just dropped it off by hand this evening. Nearly a two hour round trip but I just don't trust the postal service, and its quicker.

Sigh...

 

[CkMaddall]

The DMP recognized that they had screwed up and asked for the form that they gave to be returned for correction.
Just dropped it off by hand this evening. Nearly a two hour round trip but I just don't trust the postal service, and its quicker.

Sigh...

I am planning to book for my medical at the same place - would you advise against it? They sounded as though they knew what they were talking about on the phone!

 

[wajeehamosab]

I am confused too.. i have filled all the documents, and since if a spouse is sponsored , he/she must undergo medical assessment before submiting the forms.. i took the appointment which is due in few days, they ask me to bring the acknowledgement letter from canadian high commisiion.. pls tell me how can i get an email of this wen i haven't even submitted my forms???


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