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Vivaan12

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Hello friends,

I wanted to check if there is any way to verify if the PR card is till valid or not?
I understand we can always ask for background check on someone but is there anyway apart from calling IRCC to know if PR card hasnot been revoked or cancelled? Is there any third part service which can help on this if someone has applied for a job or loan?
 
Are you the employer? Or has your employer asked?
I am neither and employer nor a candidate. Asking on behest of someone who had this doubt. In case you can provide an answer then please let me know. It will be helpful. If not I will appreciate not spamming thread with your one liners every day without providing any meaningful contribution.
 
Hello friends,

I wanted to check if there is any way to verify if the PR card is till valid or not?
I understand we can always ask for background check on someone but is there anyway apart from calling IRCC to know if PR card hasnot been revoked or cancelled? Is there any third part service which can help on this if someone has applied for a job or loan?

No for PR validity
Its protected information. If you called the IRCC you’d be denied any information. More so, your call would more than likely be flagged as phishing for information
 
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I am neither and employer nor a candidate. Asking on behest of someone who had this doubt. In case you can provide an answer then please let me know. It will be helpful. If not I will appreciate not spamming thread with your one liners every day without providing any meaningful contribution.

The point is, it depends on context. Who is asking for what reason, and what issues they potentially face in trying to check or not being able to check.

"How do I check it?" is not a meaningful question without that.

But if you're happy with the other answer - "its protected information" - that works too.
 
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I am neither and employer nor a candidate. Asking on behest of someone who had this doubt. In case you can provide an answer then please let me know. It will be helpful. If not I will appreciate not spamming thread with your one liners every day without providing any meaningful contribution.

An employer should never ask to see a PR card or about PR validity. This information is private. All they should be asking for is the SIN.
 
The point is, it depends on context. Who is asking for what reason, and what issues they potentially face in trying to check or not being able to check.

"How do I check it?" is not a meaningful question without that.

But if you're happy with the other answer - "its protected information" - that works too.
Thank you for the details. This explains well. As always it all started with a discussion around what if someone is forges a card with all editing tools, and never shows physical copy. Now this could be a potential problem for a small time employer. Hence the ask here.
 
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Thank you for the details. This explains well. As always it all started with a discussion around what if someone is forges a card with all editing tools, and never shows physical copy. Now this could be a potential problem for a small time employer. Hence the ask here.

Not a problem for the employer. All the employer should be asking for is a valid SIN. Employer should not be asking for a PR card.
 
Thank you for the details. This explains well. As always it all started with a discussion around what if someone is forges a card with all editing tools, and never shows physical copy. Now this could be a potential problem for a small time employer. Hence the ask here.

Actually it could be a potential problem for the employer IF they ask for a copy of the PR card or even specifically PR or citizenship status, unless they have some specific requirement to do so by law. (Which would apply to some govt positions, security clearances, police I think, etc).

https://www.siskinds.com/can-employers-ask-if-eligible-to-work-on-a-permanent-basis/

It is one thing to ask a potential employee if they have the right to work in Canada. They do, I believe, have to ask for SIN number to provide employment (but they don't necessarily have to GET a SIN number, because the employee just has to show they've applied for one).

At any rate, I don't pretend to know all the ins and outs of this issue but an employer (small business or not) should check carefully for this. My understanding - which is not at all complete - is that, in short, it is not the employer's responsibility to police PR status, including 'checking whether a PR card is not forged.' They get the SIN number, they provide that to CRA, etc.., and the government deals with it.

Note: in no way should that be read to imply that employers can ignore this stuff, or pretend not to notice if they know someone's working illegally - because I believe they could get in trouble for knowingly employing someone illegally.

Anyway: you get my point, I think. Even if the question 'how do I check a PR card is real' is asked in good faith, the answer really does depend on context.
 
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Thank you for the details. This explains well. As always it all started with a discussion around what if someone is forges a card with all editing tools, and never shows physical copy. Now this could be a potential problem for a small time employer. Hence the ask here.

An employer should never ask to see a PR card or about PR validity. This information is private. All they should be asking for is the SIN.

Not all the time . When I applied for Federal Government jobs they requested a copy of my Passport, failing that birth certificate. Then when on-boarding occurred, they needed to see the actual document. I’d imagine they’d request to see a PR card. Last thing the federal government would want is to hire someone out of status.
And of course a confirmation of my SIN
One must remember that the SIN is NOT a identity document.
“Neither the confirmation of SIN letter nor the SIN card is an identity document”

That’s why being asked for your SIN # is tightly controlled

https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/programs/ei/ei-list/ei-employers-sin.html
 
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