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How to find the reason for Non-routine processing

moden88

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May 11, 2020
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Hello everyone.

My application was marked as a non-routine application after passing Background check and test. The IRCC website talks about potential reasons for why they consider an application as non-routine. The officer note is non disclosable according to the MP office who was following up on my application. I requested the GCMS and didn't receive them yet. However, I think the note will be hidden for me also. I have few question and I wish I get help with

1- is there a legal path to find out why my application was marked as non-routine.
2- Does the CBSA gcms notes show notes from the IRCC since the share the GCMS notes
3- if the answer to question 2 is yes, is there a possibility that I can see the hidden note from IRCC by requesting the CBSA notes since some hidden items are show in cbsa notes

Thank you and good luck for everyone
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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My application was marked as a non-routine application after passing Background check and test. The IRCC website talks about potential reasons for why they consider an application as non-routine. The officer note is non disclosable according to the MP office who was following up on my application. I requested the GCMS and didn't receive them yet. However, I think the note will be hidden for me also. I have few question and I wish I get help with

1- is there a legal path to find out why my application was marked as non-routine.
2- Does the CBSA gcms notes show notes from the IRCC since the share the GCMS notes
3- if the answer to question 2 is yes, is there a possibility that I can see the hidden note from IRCC by requesting the CBSA notes since some hidden items are show in cbsa notes
Referring to a citizenship application as "non-routine" is not in reference to the application's status, but is merely descriptive, merely a reference to the fact that the application is undergoing some additional procedure or subject to additional inquiries, that are not part of routine processing.

So, just the fact that the application is "non-routine" illuminates very, very little. Some non-routine procedures, like a finger print request, will have very little impact on the overall processing time line, no impact on the outcome.

What matters is what non-routine procedure is involved. If there has been information that triggers a referral to CSIS to investigate the applicant in regards to potential security prohibitions, that could result in very lengthy processing delay depending on the nature of matter being investigated, including the location in the world of relevant matters.

In contrast, if the processing agent or citizenship officer just wants some further verification of information in regards to establishing the applicant's actual physical presence, that might involve minimal cross-checks easily and quickly done, causing little further delay. That said, other concerns about verifying physical presence might lead to RQ-related processing or a referral to CBSA's NSSD for a more extensive investigation.

Investigatory matters, what triggers them, what are the manner and means, what is the scope, and who conducts it, are all confidential, information that is NOT shared with clients. So, as you apprehend, IRCC will not divulge, to you, what further inquiries, if any, are being made (not deliberately anyway . . . there are plenty of examples where they have slipped and revealed more than intended).

That said . . . there really should be little mystery. YOU, you personally, know your own case better than anyone at IRCC. You know what the requirements are, including what might constitute a prohibition, so if there is any significant problem in your case, you should be able to figure out what that most likely is about, and have a good idea if it is something serious or not. Really.

For example, if you applied with 1103 days physical presence, rather than waiting to apply with a good margin over the minimum, no advanced degrees in rocket science or access to GCMS records necessary to foresee the risk of additional inquiries to verify physical presence. No crystal ball is needed to recognize that applicants who are settled and clearly well established in Canada have less risk of additional (non-routine) verifications than those with significant ongoing ties outside Canada. And so on.

If you applied with a good margin, made only minimal, minor mistakes, and are highly confident you are not subject to a prohibition, odds are you can relax, NOT WORRY, whatever else IRCC wants to look at is not likely to be a problem or delay things long. In the meantime, timelines vary widely.

GCMS Records:

Particular agents and officers in CBSA and IRCC have varied levels of access to the GCMS records for a particular client. The GCMS records themselves include all the currently maintained immigration records for the individual client. Thus, for example, for most PRs their GCMS records will still include a lot of records related to their application for a PR visa and any other status they had in Canada prior to that.

There can be a big difference in what a client is given in response to requests for copies of their personal information depending on the request itself. What is obtained in response to a basic ATIP request, which will typically be a selection of records for a particular file, like those for an application for citizenship, is quite limited. To get more detail a PR needs to make a customized ATIP request, which is not easy to compose.

And, there will still be a lot of the PR's GCMS records which will not be divulged to the client, no matter how crafty they have been in composing the request. This is, again, about the scope of what is confidential, not shared with clients.

Thus, for example, even if the applicant can figure out that IRCC is engaging in some level of RQ-related inquiry (such as getting RQ-related requests for additional information for example), the applicant will not get information that reveals why IRCC is engaging in a RQ-related inquiry.

While it may be possible to get significantly more information making a carefully composed customized ATIP request, between the difficulty doing this and the limitations on access (especially confidential investigatory information), and the still fairly low odds of learning something useful or not already within what the applicant already knows, this is not something many try. Lots of work with poor returns.
 

Lazarooo

Star Member
Oct 10, 2022
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Hello everyone.

My application was marked as a non-routine application after passing Background check and test. The IRCC website talks about potential reasons for why they consider an application as non-routine. The officer note is non disclosable according to the MP office who was following up on my application. I requested the GCMS and didn't receive them yet. However, I think the note will be hidden for me also. I have few question and I wish I get help with

1- is there a legal path to find out why my application was marked as non-routine.
2- Does the CBSA gcms notes show notes from the IRCC since the share the GCMS notes
3- if the answer to question 2 is yes, is there a possibility that I can see the hidden note from IRCC by requesting the CBSA notes since some hidden items are show in cbsa notes

Thank you and good luck for everyone
Hi mate, i am in the same boat as you, i was wondering what happened to your application.
 

moden88

Star Member
May 11, 2020
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Hi mate, i am in the same boat as you, i was wondering what happened to your application.
Hello, not much happened. There is no update on my file since then. the location of my paper file is "e-grant PR status". The only update I got back in october is when the rejected my urgent processing request. what about your application
 

Lazarooo

Star Member
Oct 10, 2022
61
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Hello, not much happened. There is no update on my file since then. the location of my paper file is "e-grant PR status". The only update I got back in october is when the rejected my urgent processing request. what about your application
I bet it's just silly mistakes on their end. Mine was on hold for 9 months. From my last ATIP, I figured it was on hold because there were different names on my file - a mistake they made after I submitted a web form and explained to them, they processed my application in a week, and everything turned green in 2 days. However, it's stuck again at the Oath ceremony for over 9 weeks. My MP reached out, and they said everything is completed but because it's a group application waiting for others to complete and assign a ceremony for all of them together. The funny thing is, I submitted my application as a single application only for me. Now, my MP is working with them to understand why my application falls under the group category. Long story short, it's a shit show, and I have no idea how much longer I should wait. By the way, mine is approved as an urgent application for over 5 months, and that doesn't change a thing. So you don't need to worry about that part because this week, I passed 15 months and still waiting. I will keep u updated on any moves … good luck!
 
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moden88

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May 11, 2020
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I bet it's just silly mistakes on their end. Mine was on hold for 9 months. From my last ATIP, I figured it was on hold because there were different names on my file - a mistake they made after I submitted a web form and explained to them, they processed my application in a week, and everything turned green in 2 days. However, it's stuck again at the Oath ceremony for over 9 weeks. My MP reached out, and they said everything is completed but because it's a group application waiting for others to complete and assign a ceremony for all of them together. The funny thing is, I submitted my application as a single application only for me. Now, my MP is working with them to understand why my application falls under the group category. Long story short, it's a shit show, and I have no idea how much longer I should wait. By the way, mine is approved as an urgent application for over 5 months, and that doesn't change a thing. So you don't need to worry about that part because this week, I passed 15 months and still waiting. I will keep u updated on any moves … good luck!
Hey, good luck with your application and thank you for the update. Do you mind to let me know how did you figure out that the issue is with the name. is there a note stating that or you found that in an indirect way.
 

domdomdom

Full Member
Oct 5, 2020
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Hello, not much happened. There is no update on my file since then. the location of my paper file is "e-grant PR status". The only update I got back in october is when the rejected my urgent processing request. what about your application
Hi, are you able to see if your urgent processing request is rejected or approved on gcms notes?
 

Canmigration

Star Member
Apr 16, 2019
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Hi, I am also in the same boat. does any of you got the citizenship after categorizing as non-routine? If so how long it took to reach the final results? Please share your experience /current status. My application is pending since the last 18 months!!
Thanks in advance!
 

An Applicant

Full Member
Aug 4, 2019
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I bet it's just silly mistakes on their end. Mine was on hold for 9 months. From my last ATIP, I figured it was on hold because there were different names on my file - a mistake they made after I submitted a web form and explained to them, they processed my application in a week, and everything turned green in 2 days. However, it's stuck again at the Oath ceremony for over 9 weeks. My MP reached out, and they said everything is completed but because it's a group application waiting for others to complete and assign a ceremony for all of them together. The funny thing is, I submitted my application as a single application only for me. Now, my MP is working with them to understand why my application falls under the group category. Long story short, it's a shit show, and I have no idea how much longer I should wait. By the way, mine is approved as an urgent application for over 5 months, and that doesn't change a thing. So you don't need to worry about that part because this week, I passed 15 months and still waiting. I will keep u updated on any moves … good luck!
I am in the same boat, have not heard anything since July 16 :| Even the MP is unable to push anything!