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riasat.abir

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Hi All,
I will be completing 2 years of PR on September 9. I have lived 3 more years as FSW before getting PR and never left the country then. After PR I spent 20 days abroad. So technically I'll be eligible for PR by Sep 30.
However in the days calculation, if I exit Canada on 5th August and return on 8th August it counts as 2 not 3.
And day trips are not counted nor 2 day trips. ie- exit Canada on 5th August and comeback on 6th August is counted as 0 as well.
I know the exact dates when I was not in Canada, I logged each exit and entries carefully.
How much buffer time do you keep for the application? I was wondering if I'm eligible on Sep 30 when I should apply.
 

Joshua1

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Providing you’re sure about your information, some of people wait between 30-90 days for buffer. I personally had more about 12 months because of C24....
 

riasat.abir

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Providing you’re sure about your information, some of people wait between 30-90 days for buffer. I personally had more about 12 months because of C24....
30-90days seem absurd to me.
 
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You asked, I gave you my opinion. It’s up to you obviously.
Joshua1, I'm kind of new to the citizenship thread.... however, why do you recommend 30-90 days? What's your opinion based on?

I would personally say 10-20 days however, I'm not really knowledgeable in the citizenship issues yet.

Thank you! :)
 

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Hi All,
I will be completing 2 years of PR on September 9. I have lived 3 more years as FSW before getting PR and never left the country then. After PR I spent 20 days abroad. So technically I'll be eligible for PR by Sep 30.
However in the days calculation, if I exit Canada on 5th August and return on 8th August it counts as 2 not 3.
And day trips are not counted nor 2 day trips. ie- exit Canada on 5th August and comeback on 6th August is counted as 0 as well.
I know the exact dates when I was not in Canada, I logged each exit and entries carefully.
How much buffer time do you keep for the application? I was wondering if I'm eligible on Sep 30 when I should apply.
I felt comfortable with about 6 weeks buffer. You don't want to invite an RQ by cutting it close... This was my biggest concern.
 

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2-3 weeks is fine
 

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Joshua1, I'm kind of new to the citizenship thread.... however, why do you recommend 30-90 days? What's your opinion based on?

I would personally say 10-20 days however, I'm not really knowledgeable in the citizenship issues yet.

Thank you! :)
With a short buffer, it's easy to forget a single 2 or 3 weeks holiday, and you're toast...
 

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LOL, I had a 1 day buffer on my wife's application. Mine was about 14 days.
 
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Joshua1

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Joshua1, I'm kind of new to the citizenship thread.... however, why do you recommend 30-90 days? What's your opinion based on?

I would personally say 10-20 days however, I'm not really knowledgeable in the citizenship issues yet.

Thank you! :)
The above posters already answered the question. Some agents are more thorough and scrutinizing than others. So, if you have a couple weeks and day long trips here and there during the eligibility period, but you forgot them while applying with a few days or 1-2 weeks buffer, you run the risk of your file being returned for lack of physical presence or asked for more documents (RQ). Then, rushing would cost you few more months and cause more anxiety. Obviously, for people who are sure they never traveled during the eligibility period, applying with just enough days is fine (to me).
 

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Check the timeline on my signature.

I had a buffer of about 3 weeks, and I got my citizenship in a little below six months.

But I also hardly had any trips out of the country during the eligibility period (this was Bill C-24), and in total, I had less than 4 weeks of absence from Canada.

Apparently you have had zero absence so far, so in theory, it should be even easier for you to prove your physical presence.
 
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dpenabill

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30-90days seem absurd to me.
Not sure why you think this amount of buffer is absurd. For most applicants who have kept perfect records, waiting thirty to ninety days to apply after reaching the minimum should give them plenty of margin, a good buffer, not at all absurd. Indeed, as a few others report, even 20 or 30 days can be enough.

But an applicant who accurately reports all the relevant information in the application and presence calculation should feel confident that when a total stranger bureaucrat reviews the presence calculation an extra 30 to 90 days should easily help the processing agent and citizenship officer feel comfortable in concluding the applicant met the requirement without sending the application into non-routine processing to obtain further evidence documenting presence.

But sure, some applicants will be prudent to wait longer. Depending on a range of factors. You've shared way, way too little about your facts to know whether, say, 90 days would be plenty for you, but 90 days would easily pass the NOT-Absurd threshold. And, depending, maybe even just thirty days passes the NOT-absurd threshold.

One of the more common mistakes prospective applicants make is to focus too exclusively on the number of days present and overlook other factors which should be considered in deciding WHEN is the best time to apply. For example, I was self-employed, my work-product sold to clients abroad, so in conjunction with some other personal circumstances I elected to wait a lot longer than an extra 90 days. But that was about my personal circumstances.

Many, many times waiting longer to apply can and does mean the oath of citizenship comes sooner. Obviously, not always. But waiting another thirty or fifty days goes by really fast for most, and then when for months and months they do not hear anything about how the application is going, which is very common these days, there is NO worry that some stranger bureaucrat is not comfortable feeling certain the minimum presence requirement is met.


Note: 1095 days credit meets the requirement. That gets the applicant to the oath EVENTUALLY. In contrast, having a buffer is mostly about two things:

-- one, is having enough days just in case there was a mistake, OR A STRANGER BUREAUCRAT SUSPECTS A MISTAKE, so that even if some days are deducted the applicant is still eligible

-- two, just as importantly in my view, is having enough days the total stranger bureaucrats reviewing the application are easily persuaded there is NO reason to question or doubt that the applicant meets the requirements, no need to make further inquiry into evidence of presence

The first of these is about being sure to be eligible. There is a tendency to focus on this alone. Which works out for many. The second is about approaching the process to minimize the risk IRCC perceives a need to dig a little or a lot deeper, about reassuring the citizenship officer there is no doubt about meeting the presence requirement. More than a few overlook or ignore this aspect. Still works out OK for some. But this forum is rife with tales of woe from applicants complaining about how the process is taking longer for them than it is for others. Contrary to much of the whining, it is NOT about arbitrary or capricious or malicious or neglectful processing agents. There is never any way to guarantee an applicant will benefit from the fastest, smooth sailing path, but there are plenty of ways to increase the risk of delays and non-routine processing.
 

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I applied with almost 300 days of buffer. I thought that I'd been scrupulous about my physical presence calculations, corroborating and double/triple-checking everything. But when I obtained my ATIP/GCMS notes from CIC/IRCC, I saw that they had a lesser number than mine entered on the relevant line, and I will ask the Officer about that discrepancy at my interview next week. Nonetheless, you can be sure that I feel glad to have had more than enough buffer to cover my butt, versus their in-house rendering of my presence days.
 

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Just to add to this. I also, even though I was meticulous with my calculations, got it wrong. The interviewing officer actually had a trip in the CBSA record that I had completely forgotten about.

As it happens, this was a "Pre-PR" vacation trip TO Canada, which provided me with an extra 9.5 days of physical residence, from the very beginning of the eligibility period...
 

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Hi All,
I will be completing 2 years of PR on September 9. I have lived 3 more years as FSW before getting PR and never left the country then. After PR I spent 20 days abroad. So technically I'll be eligible for PR by Sep 30.
However in the days calculation, if I exit Canada on 5th August and return on 8th August it counts as 2 not 3.
And day trips are not counted nor 2 day trips. ie- exit Canada on 5th August and comeback on 6th August is counted as 0 as well.
I know the exact dates when I was not in Canada, I logged each exit and entries carefully.
How much buffer time do you keep for the application? I was wondering if I'm eligible on Sep 30 when I should apply.
It's your choice obviously. I know someone who can sleep very well with zero buffer, and someone else who needs a ton of buffer, in all kinds of things in life. You can be either or somewhere in between...