How many hours for full-time work for CEC for EE eligibility?

[GTCEC]

How many hours of work needed for a full year of work to be considered for CEC eligibility in EE pool? Is it 1560 or higher?

 

[scylla]

You must work at least 1560 hours. However you also need 52 weeks of full time work. A full work week is 30 hours or more. However you cannot carry extra hours over into weeks where you are short hours. What this effectively means is that if you worked 45 hours one week and 15 hours the next week, the first week will count as one full time week - and then next week will only count as half a week. The extra 15 hours you worked in the first week cannot be carried over into the second week.

 

[GTCEC]

Where did you read this or get this info from?

 

[GTCEC]

You must work at least 1560 hours. However you also need 52 weeks of full time work. A full work week is 30 hours or more. However you cannot carry extra hours over into weeks where you are short hours. What this effectively means is that if you worked 45 hours one week and 15 hours the next week, the first week will count as one full time week - and then next week will only count as half a week. The extra 15 hours you worked in the first week cannot be carried over into the second week.

Does this refer to the work in excess in the ministerial bulletin in the 148 issue of the gazette?

 

[scylla]

Where did you read this or get this info from?

This is how hours are calculated for CEC. It pre-dates Express Entry.

 

[GTCEC]

Canadian work experience

(3) For the purposes of this section, Canadian work experience is work experience that

(a) is acquired by a foreign national in Canada in one or more occupations listed in Skill Type 0 Management Occupations or Skill Level A or B of the National Occupational Classification matrix;
(b) consists of continuous full-time work experience or the full-time equivalent for part-time work experience; and
(c) is acquired within the 10-year period preceding the day on which points are assigned to the foreign national under subsection (1).
Requirements

(4) In order to be assigned points under subsection (1) for their Canadian work experience, a foreign national

(a) must specify in their expression of interest the four-digit code in the National Occupational Classification that corresponds to each of the occupations they have engaged in while accumulating their Canadian work experience; and
(b) must have performed the actions described in the lead statement for the occupation as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification, as well as a substantial number of the main duties, including all essential duties, as set out in the National Occupational Classification.
Full-time employment

(5) For the purposes of this section, full-time employment consists of employment of at least 30 hours per week.

Work in excess

(6) For the purposes of this section, a period of work experience that exceeds full-time work in one occupation, or simultaneous periods of work experience in more than one full-time occupation, are to be evaluated as a single period of full-time work experience in a single occupation.

Work experience — requirements

(7) For the purposes of this section,

(a) a period of employment during which the foreign national was engaged in full-time study is not to be included in calculating a period of work experience;
(b) a period of self-employment or unauthorized work is not to be included in calculating a period of work experience;
(c) the foreign national must have had temporary resident status during their period of work experience and any period of full-time study or training; and
(d) the full-time equivalent for part-time work experience is 30 hours of work per week.

 

[GTCEC]

This is how hours are calculated for CEC. It pre-dates Express Entry.

Are you referring to the work in excess portion of this?

 

[GTCEC]

This is how hours are calculated for CEC. It pre-dates Express Entry.

I think this person disagrees.

Calculate hours? They don't calculate hours for full-time workers, they check your dates of employment to make sure you have worked for at least 1 year. If your letter of employment says you worked 37.5 hours per week for 14 months, that's what the VO goes by. Then the VO checks to see if your supporting documents verify that information.

You misunderstand the "1560 hours" - that is only used to calculate the full-time equivalent of part-time work. If you work at least 30 hours per week for at least one year (30 * 52 = 1560), you have met the time requirement. But if you work 15 hours per week, you can then use 1560 hours instead of 1 year to determine when you meet the requirement (in 2 years in this example).
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The VO will start with the information provided in your letter of employment - the wage/salary, hours worked per week. (If you are salaried, there are no hourly calculations - they will simply check if the salaries are the same).

The VO will cross-check the info in the letter with the with the T4 / NOA to verify that the information is the same. If it is not, then...

You say that your T4 is lower than... your job offer letter? You don't have a Letter of Employment? And you say you were initially paid less than the wage stated in your offer letter?

All of these will be red flags. And the VO can't rely on your word, clarification has to come from your employer.

If there is any reason for the VO to believe irregularity in hours, then they can request paystubs or an explanation. If you cannot not provide a satisfactory explanation, then the application could be refused.

 

[scylla]

I think this person disagrees.

Nope. Same explanation as mine.

 

[scylla]

If you have any doubts about what I'm saying, just pop over to the CEC section of the forum and ask your question there. They will set you straight pretty quickly.

 

[GTCEC]

Nope. Same explanation as mine.

Okey doke guess my hours varied from 15-65 hrs per week so I need to start calculating my actual weeks based on 30 hours per week to then to see if I qualify. Good to know. My lawyer told me it was just an hours accumulation as well of 1560! Could possibly they have been wrong! Wow.

 

[GTCEC]

If you have any doubts about what I'm saying, just pop over to the CEC section of the forum and ask your question there. They will set you straight pretty quickly.

I looked on the CEC section and did not see any members who actually knew how to answer this question. None with reliable resources or references.

 

[scylla]

Okey doke guess my hours varied from 15-65 hrs per week so I need to start calculating my actual weeks based on 30 hours per week to then to see if I qualify. Good to know. My lawyer told me it was just an hours accumulation as well of 1560! Could possibly they have been wrong! Wow.

Unfortunately we see plenty of bad advice being given out by lawyers. I would fire your lawyer now. The CEC hours calculation rule is very straight-forward and any decent immigration lawyer should understand this rule backwards and forwards. If your lawyer doesn't understand this - I would be very afraid what else he/she will mess up in your application.

Here's how you need to perform the calculation for CEC:
1) Take all of the weeks where you worked 30 hours or more. Each of these weeks will count as one week of work for the purposes of CEC.
2) Take all of the weeks where you worked less than 30 hours. Add these hours together and then divide by 30. This will be the number of "full time equivalent" weeks you will get credit for under CEC.
3) The weeks calculated under 1) and the weeks calculated under 2) must add up to 52 weeks or more for you to qualify under CEC

 

[scylla]

I looked on the CEC section and did not see any members who actually knew how to answer this question. None with reliable resources or references.

jes_ON is very knowlegeable and reliable.

 

[GTCEC]

Unfortunately we see plenty of bad advice being given out by lawyers. I would fire your lawyer now. The CEC hours calculation rule is very straight-forward and any decent immigration lawyer should understand this rule backwards and forwards. If your lawyer doesn't understand this - I would be very afraid what else he/she will mess up in your application.

Here's how you need to perform the calculation for CEC:
1) Take all of the weeks where you worked 30 hours or more. Each of these weeks will count as one week of work for the purposes of CEC.
2) Take all of the weeks where you worked less than 30 hours. Add these hours together and then divide by 30. This will be the number of "full time equivalent" weeks you will get credit for under CEC.
3) The weeks calculated under 1) and the weeks calculated under 2) must add up to 52 weeks or more for you to qualify under CEC

Thanks very much for the help.

Thanks for the help