HOW ARE THE NUMBER OF ITA'S ISSUED CALCULATED FOR EACH DRAW

[NR_John]

Been wondering since a while.

How exactly are the number of ITA's issued per draw based on?

For e.g.

If there are 200 people with a 490 CRS score, would all of the 200 applicants get an ITA or would the group be split into later draws?
(This is assuming that the cut of score they decided was 485 for this particular scenario).

 

[kryt0n]

If they draw 490, anyone with a score of 490 or above is given an ita. The only accepting to this is if they say anyone with 490 or above who is a CEC applicant, or a FSW applicant, or a PNP (draw specific). We have no idea what dictates the number of ITAs issued.

 

[NR_John]

Yes, the 48th draw was PNP specific as it was mentioned as well.

Also wondering the same about cut-off score.
Everywhere it is said that there is no minimum score requirement, however after every each draw a cut-off score is determined. This i understand to a certain extend, it is to regulate the huge applications that pour in every day.

But still, how are they determining the cut-off score?

 

[kryt0n]

Yes, the 48th draw was PNP specific as it was mentioned as well.

Also wondering the same about cut-off score.
Everywhere it is said that there is no minimum score requirement, however after every each draw a cut-off score is determined. This i understand to a certain extend, it is to regulate the huge applications that pour in every day.

But still, how are they determining the cut-off score?

It's not the score they decide, it's how many people they want to invite that day.

So say they want to invite the top 2500 applicants. They can see the spread of scores and the amount of people at each score.

So they see that there are 2468 people with a score of 490 or above, but they see there are 2670 with 489 or above. They don't want to go over their 2500 quota for that draw, so they invite everyone with a score of 490 or above with 2468 invites.

Does that make sense?

 

[NR_John]

There needs to be an order or a system to things. With 'CIC draws' in particular, it kinda seems they dont have a particular methodology to their ITA selections. there dont seem to exist a focal point about how the draws are done. the process seems very dynamic in nature.

Yes it does make sense and i do understand what you are saying.

So you are saying they are adhering to some criteria about issuing ITA's, which case you mentioned that their focus point is 'how many people they want to invite each draw'.

having said that, i dont think thats how they are doing it based on their the previous draw numbers. the highest ITA number being the 47th draw of 2427.

But with what you are saying, they seem to be determining everything based on the CSR scores. like the scenario you mentioned, "So they see that there are 2468 people with a score of 490 or above, but they see there are 2670 with 489 or above. They don't want to go over their 2500 quota for that draw, so they invite everyone with a score of 490 or above with 2468 invites."

But then going back to my original question and based on your answer, what if there are 4532 people with a score of 490 above? Would all 4532 people get their ITA's? Or would they push the CRS score above 490 to maintain the area of below-2000-something?

As you mentioned earlier the draw criteria could be based on the following:

1. Number of people they decide to invite. (but the number fluctuates with each draw).
2. CEC category, FSW category or PNP category (but there's no category mentioned in any of the draws, except the 48th one where they did mention PNP only).
3. Minimum cut-off score (claims there's no cut-off score as such)
4. none of the above.

Am i making any sense? :-\

 

[ams1135]

I don't know why they wont copy the Australian time stamp system to issue ITA.
Candidate who submitted their profiles can lock in their time. When the draw happens, people who submitted their profiles before this time and date will be selected even if they share the exact same points.

 

[kryt0n]

No, they could decide one week to invite 4000 people, or 2000 people, or 1800 people, or 2700. We have no idea on what they want per draw, only that overall they have a quota of around 300,000 for the year.

So yes, if they decide they want 4500 people in one draw, they can see that there are 4499 people with 490 or above so they draw 490 and everyone with 490 or above, all 4499 of them, gets an ita.

2 weeks later they decide they want 3000 people. There's been a few more people who have registered with 490 or above. They only want 3000 people, but there are 3500 people with 489 as a score. So, they are forced to draw 490 or above again, even though there's only 500 people with that score.

That's how it works.

 

[SHABAM]

No, they could decide one week to invite 4000 people, or 2000 people, or 1800 people, or 2700. We have no idea on what they want per draw, only that overall they have a quota of around 300,000 for the year.

So yes, if they decide they want 4500 people in one draw, they can see that there are 4499 people with 490 or above so they draw 490 and everyone with 490 or above, all 4499 of them, gets an ita.

2 weeks later they decide they want 3000 people. There's been a few more people who have registered with 490 or above. They only want 3000 people, but there are 3500 people with 489 as a score. So, they are forced to draw 490 or above again, even though there's only 500 people with that score.

That's how it works.

So considering the new registered applicants, there is a very little chances for people below 400. Any consideration to the NOC of the candidates during the draws ?

 

[Asivad Anac]

So considering the new registered applicants, there is a very little chances for people below 400. Any consideration to the NOC of the candidates during the draws ?

All NOCs (0/A/B) are treated alike, no special consideration. Except that, for LMIA supported jobs, NOC 00 get you 200 points while other eligible NOCs get you 50 points

 

[NR_John]

So considering the new registered applicants, there is a very little chances for people below 400. Any consideration to the NOC of the candidates during the draws ?

it is discussed that 2016 would continue to have a draw of 490 and above (which is one more draw coming up)
speculations for early 2017 (Jan, Feb, Mar) is for the CRS points to come down to 470.
and by the end of 2017, it is projected as 400.
So there is no chance for people below 400 this year.

 

[Asivad Anac]

it is discussed that 2016 would continue to have a draw of 490 and above (which is one more draw coming up)
speculations for early 2017 (Jan, Feb, Mar) is for the CRS points to come down to 470.
and by the end of 2017, it is projected as 400.
So there is no chance for people below 400 this year.

Unlikely to ever fall to 400 unless there's a dramatic increase in immigration targets and/or drastic drop in people applying to EE. At best, it may drop to 450 or thereabouts.

 

[scylla]

Unlikely to ever fall to 400 unless there's a dramatic increase in immigration targets and/or drastic drop in people applying to EE. At best, it may drop to 450 or thereabouts.

Agreed. I think it will drop to 450/440 at most.

 

[SHABAM]

Yes, I believe the only hope for people around 400 score is PNP, Most of the EE draws for 2015 & 2016 didn't go under 450. Most of PNP recently requires job offers, Canadian experience or relatives which are more beneficial for inland applicants.

But, with our current CRS points we have hope!

 

[fatani]

Agreed. I think it will drop to 450/440 at most.

Agreed after changes points going down to 400 is a distant dream. According to me it can touch the level of as low as 425. And then remain in the region of 425-450/60