Hong Kong Pathway and PR is approved while I am OUTSIDE Canada

[lych69]

Hello,

I applied via Hong Kong Pathway for PR and currently waiting for PR results (for so long already). Due to the reasons below:

(1) Economy is bad in Canada - it is very hard to find a job

(2) My parents at home are ill. I wanted to go back and take care of them.

It is very likely that I would be away from Canada for a period of time.

I have come across this piece of information on the forums

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/can-i-travel-outside-of-canada-while-waiting-for-a-decision-on-my-pr-if-i-have-a-valid-pgwp.824783/

2. If my PR is approved while I am OUTSIDE Canada - what do I do then? Can I confirm it from outside?

Oct 18, 2023
2) Before getting the copr you will get a portal request email. Portal 1 will ask you to confirm whether you are inside or outside of Canada. You need to respond promptly to keep the process moving. So, you can tell them that you are outside but you intend to return on a specific date. The return date must be reasonable, meaning within 30 to 60 days. They would pause the process until you return. If your return is 3 months or more, that's an unreasonable pause period and you should strongly consider an earlier return.

Otherwise, you should tell IRCC in the portal 1 email that you are outside of the country and wish to complete the process at your local/nearest Canadian embassy. They will continue the process through the embassy. Note that this path may extend the application processing time and when you are sent to the embassy, you can not return to Canada until that process is complete.

So the option is up to you. Generally it is advised that you do not travel or travel for a very extended period while you are at the edge of a PR decision.

I wish to ask

(A) For Hong Kong Pathway, do we have to go through the same Portal1/Portal2 procedures?

(B) If yes, can I kindly request the officers to continue the process through local (Hong Kong) embassy?

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On the side note, I understand that Hong Kong Pathway is under H&C and being outside of Canada for extended period of time might void the PR application. At this point, my parents are just more important and I do not really mind.

I just want to be very well informed what I can choose if I come to be approved PR outside of Canada.

Thanks for the help. Have a nice week ahead.

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Side note 2:

I found this document, and I really do not understand clearly.

https://www.canadavisa.com/copr.html#:~:text=landing in Canada.-,What is a Confirmation of Permanent Residence (COPR) document (,you have landed in Canada.

 

[lych69]

For the

tell IRCC in the portal 1 email that you are outside of the country and wish to complete the process at your local/nearest Canadian embassy.

Is there any part in the IRCC handbook or on the IRCC website that says that? I wish to take a good reference and understand how the procedures work.

Thank you

 

[steaky]

Side note 2:

I found this document, and I really do not understand clearly.

https://www.canadavisa.com/copr.html#:~:text=landing in Canada.-,What is a Confirmation of Permanent Residence (COPR) document (,you have landed in Canada.

All PR applicants will need either paper COPR or electronic versions of COPR in order to officially become Permanent residents of Canada. Once the paper COPR is stamped by CBSA or IRCC, the paper COPR holder becomes PR. What part do you not understand clearly?

 

[scylla]

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Side note 2:

I found this document, and I really do not understand clearly.

https://www.canadavisa.com/copr.html#:~:text=landing in Canada.-,What is a Confirmation of Permanent Residence (COPR) document (,you have landed in Canada.

This isn't an official IRCC document.

 

[lych69]

All PR applicants will need either paper COPR or electronic versions of COPR in order to officially become Permanent residents of Canada. Once the paper COPR is stamped by CBSA or IRCC, the paper COPR holder becomes PR. What part do you not understand clearly?

Because I really have never heard that either of the below:-

(1) those in the Hong Kong Pathway can receive a COPR (outside of Canada)
(2) the process (some alternative PR confirmation process I do not know) can be done in the embassy outside of Canada.

In our understanding, by the time you are asked for Confirm Canadian Presence (CPP), you have to be in Canada. And that is the only option.

Now it looks like there are other ways out to ease my situation.

What are the procedures if the PR approval process that can be done in an embassy? Can you tell me in details and give me the references? Since I have really never heard of this way of confirming PR.

Thank you very much

 

[scylla]

Hello,

I applied via Hong Kong Pathway for PR and currently waiting for PR results (for so long already). Due to the reasons below:

(1) Economy is bad in Canada - it is very hard to find a job

(2) My parents at home are ill. I wanted to go back and take care of them.

It is very likely that I would be away from Canada for a period of time.

I have come across this piece of information on the forums



I wish to ask

(A) For Hong Kong Pathway, do we have to go through the same Portal1/Portal2 procedures?

(B) If yes, can I kindly request the officers to continue the process through local (Hong Kong) embassy?

-----------

On the side note, I understand that Hong Kong Pathway is under H&C and being outside of Canada for extended period of time might void the PR application. At this point, my parents are just more important and I do not really mind.

I just want to be very well informed what I can choose if I come to be approved PR outside of Canada.

Thanks for the help. Have a nice week ahead.

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Side note 2:

I found this document, and I really do not understand clearly.

https://www.canadavisa.com/copr.html#:~:text=landing in Canada.-,What is a Confirmation of Permanent Residence (COPR) document (,you have landed in Canada.

I would consult with a lawyer given this is a special H&C stream. Or if your parents are the priority and you don't really care about PR, just leave Canada and deal with it once you receive further notification from IRCC.

 

[lych69]

This isn't an official IRCC document.

Yes exactly. That is why I am seeking for more official or reliable references. Just like there is an applicant in the quoted thread, he went to the US for education and that is similar but totally another case

Thank you

 

[scylla]

Yes exactly. That is why I am seeking for more official or reliable references. Just like there is an applicant in the quoted thread, he went to the US for education and that is similar but totally another case

Thank you

I thought the embassy landings were only possible during COVID. I don't believe they are still on place. You would need to return to Canada.

 

[lych69]

I thought the embassy landings were only possible during COVID. I don't believe they are still on place. You would need to return to Canada.

In that case that would be still fine and fair. Just really interested to know if I can get a COPR (outside canada) and I can come back when I am ready.

 

[YVR123]

Hello,

I applied via Hong Kong Pathway for PR and currently waiting for PR results (for so long already). Due to the reasons below:

(1) Economy is bad in Canada - it is very hard to find a job

(2) My parents at home are ill. I wanted to go back and take care of them.

It is very likely that I would be away from Canada for a period of time.

I have come across this piece of information on the forums



I wish to ask

(A) For Hong Kong Pathway, do we have to go through the same Portal1/Portal2 procedures?

(B) If yes, can I kindly request the officers to continue the process through local (Hong Kong) embassy?

-----------

On the side note, I understand that Hong Kong Pathway is under H&C and being outside of Canada for extended period of time might void the PR application. At this point, my parents are just more important and I do not really mind.

I just want to be very well informed what I can choose if I come to be approved PR outside of Canada.

Thanks for the help. Have a nice week ahead.

-------------

Side note 2:

I found this document, and I really do not understand clearly.

https://www.canadavisa.com/copr.html#:~:text=landing in Canada.-,What is a Confirmation of Permanent Residence (COPR) document (,you have landed in Canada.

I would advice against it.
HK Pathway is under H&C and you should try to remain in Canada waiting for the application.

For the least, you probably should be in Canada when you respond to the P1 request so you can virtually land in Canada.

It's the risk that you have to access to take.

Another way is to look into applying under economic streams (EE/PNP...etc.) which you can wait outside until your PR is approved.

 

[canuck78]

The H&C application was really for those wanting to leave HK due to change in political climate. If you returned to HK after being in Canada that would basically defeat the purpose of the program. Would add that your parents are unlikely to be able to move to Canada in the near future if not ever since parent sponsorship is not guaranteed and there is a huge demand for a limited number of spots so if you need to be close to your parents Canada does not seem like a great option in general.

 

[lych69]

Yes I totally understand the risk of leaving Canada while queuing on H&C, but there are always life issues and parents stuff. So in the worst case it fails, I would look for something else.

But if it succeeds, I want to be well-informed to make a smart choice

 

[YVR123]

Yes I totally understand the risk of leaving Canada while queuing on H&C, but there are always life issues and parents stuff. So in the worst case it fails, I would look for something else.

But if it succeeds, I want to be well-informed to make a smart choice

Some update on Hong Kong Pathway from IRCC:

CIMM – Hong Kong Permanent Residence Pathways – November 25, 2024 - Canada.ca

One message that I want to highlight:

• As of October 31, 2024, 80% of permanent residence applications were processed within 12 months. However, as Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada has received a higher volume of applications, a backlog is being created and the processing times for clients for the two pathways to permanent residence will increase with most of them expected to be processed after 2027.

 

[YVR123]

Yes I totally understand the risk of leaving Canada while queuing on H&C, but there are always life issues and parents stuff. So in the worst case it fails, I would look for something else.

But if it succeeds, I want to be well-informed to make a smart choice

In terms of elderly parents, I think you need to spend time to arrange their care where you don't need to be there in person.
During your visit to Hong Kong, arrange helper, long term care, nurses visits...etc. So they can be taken care of when you need to return to Canada.
There is a high possibility that they will not be able to join you in Canada. If you plan to immigrate to Canada, start to setup their help and care.

BTW, getting the "citizenship" and returning will not keep you safe. China recently executed Canadian citizen(s) according to the news I read today.

 

[lych69]

In terms of elderly parents, I think you need to spend time to arrange their care where you don't need to be there in person.
During your visit to Hong Kong, arrange helper, long term care, nurses visits...etc. So they can be taken care of when you need to return to Canada.
There is a high possibility that they will not be able to join you in Canada. If you plan to immigrate to Canada, start to setup their help and care.

BTW, getting the "citizenship" and returning will not keep you safe. China recently executed Canadian citizen(s) according to the news I read today.

Yes. I understand all the risk.

I am looking at UK as the BNO visa is surprisingly didn't sunset yet. My parents can go to the UK, but of course they still have their own parents to take care of so they are not leaving. And I have some Japanese proficiency so I am looking for a job in Japan also, and getting interviews.

But for the time being, I guess the best I can do with Canada is to figure out what my options have and what can I ask if the officers can do when my application is surprisingly accepted.

Other than that, it is fine if I have to give up my PR. At the end of the day, if I have no money, no career path, I just chose to suffer in Canada than in Hong Kong