Highest Degree is enough?

[thestunner316]

You just repeated what I said.

IELTS + WES + Highest Degree.

The topic is about educational qualification place holder. Not about marriage certificates, Passport copies, PNP, Schedule, A etc etc. You also just reconfirmed what I just said that marks cards are not compulsory.

Have they CLEARLY mentioned that they need ALL DEGREES even without ECA? Any degree without ECA is of no use to them. You probably are sending your undergrand and post grand since you did an ECA for both. Any degree WITHOUT ECA is pointless as far as CIC is concerned.

great, atleast you understood what i was trying to say, after running around in circles 3 times repeating the same thing i said... well done.

 

[thestunner316]

rationally it does not make sense to send a degree without WES certification otherwise why we do WES anyways!

true, but its not specifically asked for in the documents checklist... neither is ielts...

but it still makes sense to send both... marks sheet is a single document - send it or not, upto you.

 

[rxyz]

true, but its not specifically asked for in the documents checklist... neither is ielts...

but it still makes sense to send both... marks sheet is a single document - send it or not, upto you.

But even with your interpretation I just need to send my PhD to WES and no need to send the rest before/after ITA , right?

 

[thestunner316]

But even with your interpretation I just need to send my PhD to WES and no need to send the rest before/after ITA , right?

i would send the degrees atleast, just to be on the safe side... marks memo isnt compulsory.

worst case scenario is they will contact you to send bachelors/masters degree later, its not like they will reject your application.

good luck

 

[rxyz]

i would send the degrees atleast, just to be on the safe side... marks memo isnt compulsory.

worst case scenario is they will contact you to send bachelors/masters degree later, its not like they will reject your application.

good luck

I understand your point but only PhD is NEEDED to be certified by WES , the rest just the ones I have with no WES certification, correct?

 

[thestunner316]

I understand your point but only PhD is NEEDED to be certified by WES , the rest just the ones I have with no WES certification, correct?

correct.

 

[Lailina]

Read the guides. They are all self explanatory. If everyone just sent what is necessary and not give a ton of paper work, processing times could be reduced for sure. They promised 6 months and now they sometimes takes 8 months since they have to go through Mr XYZ's Kindergarten drawing skill certificates because he felt it could in some way strengthen his case! ;D

this is what I found on CIC website
Document requirements

To receive program-specific points for education, the applicant must either
provide proof of having completed a Canadian secondary or post-secondary educational program; or
obtain an Educational Credential Assessment (ECA) and provide the ECA reference number in their application, along with proof of the foreign educational credentials for which points are being claimed.

but it is not said how this "proof" should look like...

 

[johnsyk]

great, atleast you understood what i was trying to say, after running around in circles 3 times repeating the same thing i said... well done.

Obviously your ego is bigger than your sense of comprehension.

 

[thestunner316]

Obviously your ego is bigger than your sense of comprehension.

if you say so.

 

[KimPositive]

I am sorry, but the above is wrong info and for some reason repeated all the time here on forums without realizing that this rule depends on the country you studied.

CIC has clearly mentioned in the guides that you need to send only your highest degree. And you you will get points for only your highest degree. If you do a WES equivalency and if your masters will get you a Canadian masters equivalency, then that's all that is needed.

However, if you are not sure if your masters will get an ECA equivalency for masters, (Asian countries for Example), then you can send your undergraduate degree too so that you can claim points for 2 qualifications. Please note that 2 or more will fetch you less points than a single masters.

No, it's not wrong.
Here the link to underline my previous comment:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/assessment.asp

Quote: You must submit an ECA for all levels of completed foreign education you want us to consider. It is up to you to decide which credentials to have assessed by a designated organization.

I hope that helps

 

[rxyz]

No, it's not wrong.
Here the link to underline my previous comment:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/assessment.asp

Quote: You must submit an ECA for all levels of completed foreign education you want us to consider. It is up to you to decide which credentials to have assessed by a designated organization.

I hope that helps

I don't think it contradicts john's point. The key is which one you want to be considered. In case CIC don't need your Bachelor then you probably don't want them to consider it too : )

 

[iamsbee]

You only need to send your highest degree which you would have gotten ECA for. As stated, there is no reason to submit anything lower than your highest.

 

[johnsyk]

No, it's not wrong.
Here the link to underline my previous comment:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/assessment.asp

Quote: You must submit an ECA for all levels of completed foreign education you want us to consider. It is up to you to decide which credentials to have assessed by a designated organization.

I hope that helps

Here you go.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=991&top=29

Quote: To get the most points possible for your education under the Comprehensive Ranking System, you should get your highest degree, diploma or certificate assessed (PhD, MA, BA).

If you have more than one credential, you may want to get both assessed if it would give you more points. (This is the bit I was saying about it depends on where you studied. For example, from India, it could be a Degree and a Diploma. Degree + Diploma is lower than a masters. However if you have a Masters ECA, you can safely ignore everything else.)

Thanks.

 

[reye27]

Here you go.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=991&top=29

Quote: To get the most points possible for your education under the Comprehensive Ranking System, you should get your highest degree, diploma or certificate assessed (PhD, MA, BA).

If you have more than one credential, you may want to get both assessed if it would give you more points. (This is the bit I was saying about it depends on where you studied. For example, from India, it could be a Degree and a Diploma. Degree + Diploma is lower than a masters. However if you have a Masters ECA, you can safely ignore everything else.)

Thanks.

Thank you for discussing this important point in detail. Although it is somewhat similar to what you have described. My scenario is that I am completing my PhD from Iran (and I will claim points for this degree ONLY) and I have my MBBS from Pakistan. So according to you I need to get ECA for Phd only. I am not sure how your suggestion is aligned with what CIC website is stating: (From:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/assessment.asp)

Depending on your case, you may want to have both your secondary and post-secondary credentials assessed, and not just your highest completed foreign credential. You will not get any points for your foreign education under the CRS in Express Entry or be eligible under the FSWP if the result on your ECA report does not match at least one of the results in the conversion table.

Also, I read this link you shared (http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=991&top=29) and this is more intuitive that highest degree should be counted for score assignment. This is all so confusing why cic has two contradictory statement?

 

[Sadaf Ali]

Thank you for discussing this important point in detail. Although it is somewhat similar to what you have described. My scenario is that I am completing my PhD from Iran (and I will claim points for this degree ONLY) and I have my MBBS from Pakistan. So according to you I need to get ECA for Phd only. I am not sure how your suggestion is aligned with what CIC website is stating: (From:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/assessment.asp)

Depending on your case, you may want to have both your secondary and post-secondary credentials assessed, and not just your highest completed foreign credential. You will not get any points for your foreign education under the CRS in Express Entry or be eligible under the FSWP if the result on your ECA report does not match at least one of the results in the conversion table.

Also, I read this link you shared (http://www.cic.gc.ca/ENGLISH/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=991&top=29) and this is more intuitive that highest degree should be counted for score assignment. This is all so confusing why cic has two contradictory statement?

Kindly anyone comment on this matter. I have very similar issue. My bachelors is from Pakistan and masters from Malaysia. From the previous discussion, it is pretty much clear that cic wants us to get ECA for the highest degree (in my case, Msc), but when I checked on WES website, they want following documents:
=============== from http://www.wes.org/ca/required/index.asp?lctryid=98 ===================
Clear, legible photocopies of all degree certificates and diplomas issued by the institution attended
e.g. Bachelor, Master,Ph.D.

AND

Academic transcripts for all post-secondary programs of study
===============================================================================

What should I sent them? just MSc degree and transcript? without involving HEC? OR first I get my HSC's degree + mark-sheet attestation from Inter board, then BSc degree + mark-sheet from KU and send these to WES and from Malaysia i ask them to send my MSc docs to send to WES?

Anyone who sailed the same boat? Please help me.