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SchnookoLoly said:
If you are going to go back and forth, then you have to show ties to the US.

Otherwise, just go and then stay put, do what is posted in the Dual Intent link I sent above.
Thank you very much for this.
I am still debating back and forth between getting a place in Buffalo, or stay within Canada, but I hear you, and I totally agree with what you are saying. If I don't get a place in Buffalo, I think I will just have to stay put in Canada, to be on the safe side.
 

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Evadyrrehs said:
PM sent re the insurance with her name and number. Here's the website optimaltravel.ca
COOL! Thank you very much! I will definitely check this out!
 

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If spouses just get up and leave their home country and fly to Canada to stay with their spouses while waiting for the PR, what do they usually do with their address in their home country? They will have to show the immigration officer their rental agreement (or mortgage paper, etc), right? How do they do that if they don't have a place? How would you explain? I am just curious as to how they could effectively explain that to the immigration officer.
 

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OntarioBound said:
If spouses just get up and leave their home country and fly to Canada to stay with their spouses while waiting for the PR, what do they usually do with their address in their home country? They will have to show the immigration officer their rental agreement (or mortgage paper, etc), right? How do they do that if they don't have a place? How would you explain? I am just curious as to how they could effectively explain that to the immigration officer.
A good chunk have just said that they'll return back and live with their parents. Honestly I'm not 100% certain on that one, you might be better off posting a new thread with that in the topic and just get a few anecdotal examples. I'd be curious about the answer!
 

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OntarioBound said:
If spouses just get up and leave their home country and fly to Canada to stay with their spouses while waiting for the PR, what do they usually do with their address in their home country? They will have to show the immigration officer their rental agreement (or mortgage paper, etc), right? How do they do that if they don't have a place? How would you explain? I am just curious as to how they could effectively explain that to the immigration officer.

My wife was living with her parents so that address was used for the PR forms, and at the time I didn't know you could put a Canadian address as your mailing address so we put her parents address for that one too.. If you fly here with a return ticket for a few weeks later I very much doubt you will be asked for proof of ties to the US. Peoples plans can change, and so you come here to visit for a few weeks then decide to not use the return ticket and stay 6 months while you await PR, then extend your visitor status as you're nearing the 5 month mark.. I think if you come through customs and appear to be wanting to stay longer than a few weeks visit they may ask you for rental/mortgage, utility bills etc etc. We had a return ticket and my wife just said visiting my husband and they let her through :) You never can know what will happen though till you're there :-\

Maybe as you have no relatives in the US you could do the Buffalo NY idea that you had or maybe a friends place could be used for some storage and a US mailing address? I think I would sell the car too if you plan to stay here for most of the year while you await PR. My wife's car was a 2002 in good shape but by the time you would do the inspection, drive it here, import etc it was just better to get rid of it instead.
 

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OntarioBound said:
If spouses just get up and leave their home country and fly to Canada to stay with their spouses while waiting for the PR, what do they usually do with their address in their home country? They will have to show the immigration officer their rental agreement (or mortgage paper, etc), right? How do they do that if they don't have a place? How would you explain? I am just curious as to how they could effectively explain that to the immigration officer.
let me clarify something. even though it's recommended to bring proof of ties to your home country, it is not required, nor is it 100% guaranteed CBSA will even ask you to show it. generally how it works is there is primary and secondary inspection. the primary inspection officer asks the basic questions and decides whether to waive someone through or tag them for secondary inspection. if the person is waived through, they are in, and that's it. If they are sent to secondary, then they will be asked additional questions, and *may* have to provide proof of what they are saying. Again, this isn't always the case, it really depends on the questions asked, the answers provided and the mood of the officer.

there's really no reason at all to offer up information that is not specifically asked for (ie: if all they asked is where are you going and how long do you want to stay you give short answers and let THEM decide if they need more information. Or you can say "im here to visit my husband, i have a pr application submitted). IF the officer decides they need more information about your plans, you are sent to secondary. Again, it's not necessary to offer up information or paperwork until its SPECIFICALLY asked for. If they inquire about your pr plans, tell them, show them the paperwork. More than likely, they will look you up in the system, see your app status and let you through. Really, even though i've ALWAYS carried specific proof with me, the ONLY times I actually had to furnish proof of ties were the first couple (or few) times i crossed after my exclusion order was lifted.

The information on here is being shared to show "best practices". It is not guaranteed everyone will need to show proof of a lease or paystubs at every crossing. Be prepared, know the language, and let the officers decide on what information they want to know. There is no need to offer anything up to confuse the situation. I really think in this case you are over thinking it to the extreme. I've never been asked at primary to prove where i'm from (i've only been asked the question). I've never been asked at primary to show my lease. I've barely been asked to show this at secondary.

Relax, attempt to cross, answer truthfully and let CBSA decide what information they need and how long you are allowed to visit for. If they can't prove you are living/working in canada illegally, then the risk of being denied entry is going to be super low. If they are concerned about the length of stay you plan, they will give you a visitor's record to track your stay. and NO - it's certainly NOT recommended to ASK for a visitor's records. I don't understand why people do this. in my opinion and experience it is ASKING to be red flagged in the system.

seriously, stop stressing about it. PR applicants are given a little bit of leniency for entry. my guess is you are going to be completely surprised when you cross the border and see they really have no concerns about your stay. the more you cross, the more they will want to talk about your plans, and the more they will check your answers against what they already know. this doesn't mean they will deny you entry or cause you issues. it just means they want to know that you know the rules - which you do.

i get that it's stressful. i get that it's nerve racking. when ever i cross, i get butterflies and am super nervous. and then once i'm through, i laugh about how much i worried about nothing. honestly, the more you're sent to secondary, the easier it gets. i actually had CBSA offers joke about me "not being a stranger to immigration" before. they are human beings, and for the most part are not there to be evil to people.
 

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OntarioBound said:
Thank you very much for your response. The problem I see in doing this at least for me is that I won't have a rental agreement, or paystubs (that's how I am planning to save money - by not renting any place at all...) My initial plan was to rent a place in Buffalo so I have a rental agreement to show at the border (I won't have a job - I already gave my notice at work..), but the rental will cost me $800/month and I hate to spend that money just so I can prove to the border people that I intend to return to the US... I wonder if I have any other options on this .....?
Is that $800 rental for an apartment? Can you maybe look at renting a room in a house somewhere? if all you're looking for is a an address you can call home, while never really living there, maybe that'll work.
 

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I recently drove up to Vancouver to "Visit" my husband until our PR app is done. All my stuff is in storage and I had a ton of stuff in my trunk, and my dog. I said I was visiting (we made SURE to wipe our phones! They absolutely have the authority to go through them). He asked where I was from, what I did for a living, I lied and said I still had 2 jobs down in Oregon. He asked how often I visit Canada and I said "Oh, I haven't been up since last February" and he got really rough and said "That's not what I asked". I replied "Oh, sorry! We take turns going back and forth, so about once or twice a year". He asked if I had ever stayed more than 6 months, I said no. He waved me on and that was that:) It was less than 15 seconds, but I had my recent paystubs with me and a copy of my application just in case they were needed. I'm getting a Nexus Pass so I don't have to talk to people when I'm driving thru the border. Less stressful, easier crossings!

It depends on the officer, but I advise being truthful. For me, it was easier to just lie about still having my jobs and that I was coming back April 5th to skip secondary inspection etc etc.. if they felt so inclined. Just know that if you get caught lying, you'll be in deep shit. So, I do advise being truthful. I knew my boss would say I still worked there, and that they wouldn't be able to contact my job b/c of Patient Privacy Laws, so I felt comfortable enough to risk it. Anyway, take a deep breath. Everything will be fine! I bet you are so excited to be with your partner:)

If you do travel back and forth often, I definitely urge you to consider getting a Nexus Pass!:)
 

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bigredmoose said:
Is that $800 rental for an apartment? Can you maybe look at renting a room in a house somewhere? if all you're looking for is a an address you can call home, while never really living there, maybe that'll work.
Thank you for your reply. Yes, I did consider renting a room also. It will definitely be cheaper although I will probably never feel comfortable enough to stay there, but it would be an address I could call home, as you say.
 

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Amalthea said:
It depends on the officer, but I advise being truthful. For me, it was easier to just lie about still having my jobs and that I was coming back April 5th to skip secondary inspection etc etc..
Some people are better at fibbing than others, and I am one of the worst ones so I really have to be truthful. I think you did what you had to do and from the outcome, I'd say you did great.
 

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rcohen,

Thank you very much for your very thorough and thoughtful post. I appreciate it very much. Yes, I think I am stressing myself out a bit here - Some of the so-to-speak horror stories I have read here made me feel like I'd better be prepared for the worst. I did learn some things on the way though (like don't drive into Canada with a California license plate while my home address is Buffalo, NY, etc)

after taking a big breath and thinking about this whole situation, I am definitely leaning toward packing everything and store it (including my car) right here where I live, get a mailbox at a UPS store (to forward all my mail to) and have my friend attend to it while I just fly and stay and *visit* with my hubby for a few months. I haven't decided on if I should say at Toronto Airport I am visiting for a few months or I am visiting for a few weeks or what kind of return tickets I buy but I think not getting Buffalo in the mix is a good thing since adding Buffalo makes it more complicate and more expensive. Sure, I won't be able to show a rental agreement (which they might never ask for anyway) and I won't have my car, but I guess that is OK. If they ask if I have a place in California (they most likely won't), I will say I am renting a room from a friend. If they ask if I am employed, I will just say I am currently unemployed and if they ask me how I am going to support myself while in Canada, I'd just show my bank statement at that point. I will try to stay within Canada while I am visiting. I will just pay out of pocket if I had to go see a doctor for something my traveler's insurance won't cover for. If I get very sick and need medical attention that is very expensive, I will come back to the US and use my Cobra health insurance in the US.

That is my new plan....