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[meyoutogether143]

Hi every one,

1) I have a question again, anyone can please share me ? Under the SPONSORED SPOUSE/PARTNER QUESTIONNAIRE number 27) Have you and your sponsor lived together? '' Yes or No'' If i answered ''yes'' Give dates of periods of cohabitation. Just wondering because his first visit was 2013 for just 7 days and second visit was this year and we got married on march and we stayed together for 42 days before he flew back to canada . Is these considered living together ? 29) Are you living with someone other than your sponsor? Just confused because i am living in an appartment provided from our boss as I am working now together with 3 female collector. Is this mandatory ?
2) About ADDITIONAL FAMILY INFORMATION it says TYPE or PRINT but my doubt is the space provided is very small to complete the address ? Can i use abbreviation ? Or provide another sheet of paper? Any suggestion please?
3)Under SCHEDULE A BACKGROUND / DECLARATION question number 7)''EDUCATION'' Give the number of years of school you successfully completed for each of the following levels of Education.
ELEMENTARY / PRIMARY = 6
SECONDARY/ HIGHSCHOOL= 4
UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE 1.5
TRADE SCHOOL OR OTHER POST SECONDARY SCHOOL ??
I'm bit confused to compare this question UNDER GENERIC APPLICATION FORM FOR CANADA about EDUCATION / OCCUPATION DETAIL question number 2) Numbers of years of education in total
I had my 1 year kindergarten and irregular 2nd year college so it looks like this 1 day care + 6 Elementary + 4 Highschool + 1.5 College .
I'm confused but i want to know .
Thank you so much everyone and im waiting your answer.
GOD BLESS TO ALL OF US .

 

[Koifish76]

Hi every one,

1) I have a question again, anyone can please share me ? Under the SPONSORED SPOUSE/PARTNER QUESTIONNAIRE number 27) Have you and your sponsor lived together? '' Yes or No'' If i answered ''yes'' Give dates of periods of cohabitation. Just wondering because his first visit was 2013 for just 7 days and second visit was this year and we got married on march and we stayed together for 42 days before he flew back to canada . Is these considered living together ? 29) Are you living with someone other than your sponsor? Just confused because i am living in an appartment provided from our boss as I am working now together with 3 female collector. Is this mandatory ?
2) About ADDITIONAL FAMILY INFORMATION it says TYPE or PRINT but my doubt is the space provided is very small to complete the address ? Can i use abbreviation ? Or provide another sheet of paper? Any suggestion please?
3)Under SCHEDULE A BACKGROUND / DECLARATION question number 7)''EDUCATION'' Give the number of years of school you successfully completed for each of the following levels of Education.
ELEMENTARY / PRIMARY = 6
SECONDARY/ HIGHSCHOOL= 4
UNIVERSITY/COLLEGE 1.5
TRADE SCHOOL OR OTHER POST SECONDARY SCHOOL ??
I'm bit confused to compare this question UNDER GENERIC APPLICATION FORM FOR CANADA about EDUCATION / OCCUPATION DETAIL question number 2) Numbers of years of education in total
I had my 1 year kindergarten and irregular 2nd year college so it looks like this 1 day care + 6 Elementary + 4 Highschool + 1.5 College .
I'm confused but i want to know .
Thank you so much everyone and im waiting your answer.
GOD BLESS TO ALL OF US .

Dates cohabiting are dates you are physically together under one roof. Can be several short lengths. Ours was 6 periods, shortest was one month, longest, 6 months. In your case, List both visits. But beware, 49 days together can be viewed as a weak application. If it's possible to spend more time together before applying, it might be better.

You are living with 3 other co-workers? Then reply yes. Always be truthful in your answers, but with an explanation attached. Explain in detail your current living details. Write "refer to PAGE xx, for current living details. And on the attached paper, write QUESTION 29 at the top.

Definitely do NOT use abbreviations. We had no room either. Attach an separate excel sheet for full names and addresses. Fill out what you can on the form and write little note See attached excel sheet for,complete answers.

For Question 7 - education, again, we submitted a separate excel sheet listing ALL education as well as filling out on the spaces on the for,. If you can find your school transcripts, just use the dates and periods given. If you don't ( as it may be hard to find a preschool), your best guess, with an asterisk*** and explain you are not 100 percent sure. It looks as though you have added the total years of education ok. Not sure if daycare is considered education though. Kindergarten can be though I'm not 100 percent certain.

 

[rhcohen2014]

Dates cohabiting are dates you are physically together under one roof. Can be several short lengths. Ours was 6 periods, shortest was one month, longest, 6 months. In your case, List both visits. But beware, 49 days together can be viewed as a weak application. If it's possible to spend more time together before applying, it might be better.

koifish - it's interesting you suggest putting visits as times they have cohabitated. I did not do this! The way i viewed cohabitation is when 2 people are maintaining residence in the same place. As a visitor, my residence is not in canada, it's in my home country and when i stayed with my husband it was just staying/visiting. oye! i hope that doesn't cause me any trouble in my application. just one more thing to add to the worry pile. ???

 

[nada3]

koifish - it's interesting you suggest putting visits as times they have cohabitated. I did not do this! The way i viewed cohabitation is when 2 people are maintaining residence in the same place. As a visitor, my residence is not in canada, it's in my home country and when i stayed with my husband it was just staying/visiting. oye! i hope that doesn't cause me any trouble in my application. just one more thing to add to the worry pile. ???

Don't worry rhcohen, you didn't do anything wrong. For the question if I ever lived with my husband I said NO, visiting is not living together. The visits can be listed in IMM5490 when describing your relationship. You do however need to provide proof of these visits, ie. boarding passes, tickets etc.

 

[rhcohen2014]

Don't worry rhcohen, you didn't do anything wrong. For the question if I ever lived with my husband I said NO, visiting is not living together. The visits can be listed in IMM5490 when describing your relationship. You do however need to provide proof of these visits, ie. boarding passes, tickets etc.

oh yes, i wrote an entire time line of our visits to eachother... with pictures and as many travel confirmations that were available. it took me hours to compile this and find the corresponding pictures. most of our visits were to eachother's residences and we drove.

 

[MapleLeafBride]

koifish - it's interesting you suggest putting visits as times they have cohabitated. I did not do this! The way i viewed cohabitation is when 2 people are maintaining residence in the same place. As a visitor, my residence is not in canada, it's in my home country and when i stayed with my husband it was just staying/visiting. oye! i hope that doesn't cause me any trouble in my application. just one more thing to add to the worry pile. ???

Rhcohen2014, I did the same thing. I moved into my hubby's (then boyfriend) apartment while we both worked in South Korea and that was the only time I listed as cohabiting. The other times we have been together for prolonged periods (I was in Florida for 2 months at his mom's and he was in Ontario for 2 months with my family and I) were described under the section about meeting each other's families. We take turns visiting every weekend and I don't count that as cohabitation. I do not live in the US and he does not live in Canada. He described our regular visits under a different section (I can't remember - was there a section about how often you visit each other? Maybe we added it in extra info). He currently lives with his aunt and I with my sister. Both family members wrote letters that state how often we visit each other and stay there. I wouldn't stress about it. After all, you don't cohabit with your friends/family when you visit and stay with them. I can't imagine it being an issue if you describe it as a visit/trip to see your spouse instead of defining it as cohabiting. It is still in your application about how often you see each other.

 

[jjoon]

I agree - not to worry rhcohen, i wouldn't think it's an issue exactly what tack you take in answering these two questions, there is after all room for interpretation of the terms "living together" and "visiting" especially in these crazy dual-country relationships we have! I think as long as you can show you were together a lot and had continuous contact and genuine spousal/partner relationship, and your two answers relate to each other in a consistent way, and are well documented.

For example, I went another way and said "yes" to both visits and living together. In living together space I just wrote the entire 6 year span we've been engaged/married (bc we're hardly even apart, just travel back and forth bw US and Canada together). In the visits section I said yes, we both visit each other, but in the box explained "we live together and are almost always together in one country or the next, so that is how we 'visit'... pls see attached pages for explanation"... then I listed on the attachment which location we were in during each period (including addresses, for authenticity sake!) and backed it up with orbitz trip records and passport stamps.

 

[Koifish76]

koifish - it's interesting you suggest putting visits as times they have cohabitated. I did not do this! The way i viewed cohabitation is when 2 people are maintaining residence in the same place. As a visitor, my residence is not in canada, it's in my home country and when i stayed with my husband it was just staying/visiting. oye! i hope that doesn't cause me any trouble in my application. just one more thing to add to the worry pile. ???

I just think if you are husband and wife, and are under one roof, it could be cohabiting together. A visit would be a week or a weekend or travelling or staying at friends or family. In my case, i pay for rent here in Thailand and since she is unable to come to Canada, it would look weak on our application to show that I married someone without actually "living with them". Like I said, my shortest stay here is one month. Others are over two and one is 6 months. I just listed these as dates cohabiting. Remember each case is different, you have the benefit of spending more time with your husband and I am pretty sure your application is stronger and more genuine in the eyes of the vo. You have nothing to worry about! ;D

 

[Koifish76]

Just to add, if you travel to California and stay at your uncle's house for one month and pay rent, is this considered living with your uncle for one month? Hmmm, not sure about the term living, but I would consider it cohabiting with your uncle. If you travel across the border a short distance and visit for a week, it probably is just a visit. Haha, thats my anology for the day.

 

[jjoon]

Just to add, if you travel to California and stay at your uncle's house for one month and pay rent, is this considered living with your uncle for one month? Hmmm, not sure about the term living, but I would consider it cohabiting with your uncle. If you travel across the border a short distance and visit for a week, it probably is just a visit. Haha, thats my anology for the day.

Good question, but I would say that the nature of the relationship (uncle vs spouse/partner) also weighs in. I would call the one month at my uncles, even if I pay rent, a visit. But I'm half persian so for us one month visit is a minimum lol!

For couples, and the application's purposes, it's basically a matter of trying to make it as clear and simple and genuine-sounding to the VO as possible. There's no bright line, in my opinion, that immediately tells you what's cohabitation and what's visiting, but there is a spectrum where the polar ends are easy to see, but the gray areas in the middle are harder and need a judgment call about how to categorize it/explain it for the VO.

My way of trying to understand the distinction was that, in reality, there are basically two kinds of cross-border/international marriages that qualify as genuine, and the VO wants to see that you fall into one category or the other. These are:

- what i call "pining lovers" ie, the kind where you basically must live separately in your respective countries, but you stay in touch as much as possible, skype, write, call, visit each other a lot - so the times together are "visits" not cohabitating. VO wants to see that you did a lot of visiting, as finances and life circumstances allowed.

- 2d type i call "travelling couples", ie, the kind where you basically live together most of the time as spouses/life partners but due to flexible work/life circumstances, etc, you travel bw the two countries (mostly together, or nearly so) and thus, satisfy your individual legal/residency/immigration requirements (ie you're not "out of status"). Here, your time together, wherever you are and whoever is your host, is "cohabitating", and the times you are apart (or away from your home base(s)) are not breaks in cohabitation but mere side trips/travel/vacation.

If you fall somewhere bw the two, or some years you were the first type, other years the 2d type, then you have to try to capture that reality for the VO in your application and explanations. For us it was easy bc we were clearly and continuously in the second camp. When in California, we either had a long-term lease (when my hubbie had an investors visa to the States), or later on, we stayed at my condo, or short-term rental, or even my sister's for 1-4 months. I don't consider those times a "visit" from my husband, any more than calling it a "visit" from me to him, when we were both in Toronto (at first in short term rentals, later in a long term leased apartment).

This was just my call, to say that in my view the NATURE of our relationship was really one of cohabiting, and to clearly explain that on my application. But I still said "yes" to visits, as well, bc, if the VO wants to think of these times together as visits, that's fine w me too! IE, to show that our relationship qualifies as genuine however you want to categorize our time together. I figure they are looking more for the substance of the matter than the form, and that's how I tried to answer the questions.

I think one of the toughest things about the application process is how it makes you second-guess the questions, and ponder semantics, and qualify your answers, ad nauseum... there are so many judgment calls that I could never have made any progress if not for this forum!!

 

[MapleLeafBride]

Good question, but I would say that the nature of the relationship (uncle vs spouse/partner) also weighs in. I would call the one month at my uncles, even if I pay rent, a visit. But I'm half persian so for us one month visit is a minimum lol!

For couples, and the application's purposes, it's basically a matter of trying to make it as clear and simple and genuine-sounding to the VO as possible. There's no bright line, in my opinion, that immediately tells you what's cohabitation and what's visiting, but there is a spectrum where the polar ends are easy to see, but the gray areas in the middle are harder and need a judgment call about how to categorize it/explain it for the VO.

My way of trying to understand the distinction was that, in reality, there are basically two kinds of cross-border/international marriages that qualify as genuine, and the VO wants to see that you fall into one category or the other. These are:

- what i call "pining lovers" ie, the kind where you basically must live separately in your respective countries, but you stay in touch as much as possible, skype, write, call, visit each other a lot - so the times together are "visits" not cohabitating. VO wants to see that you did a lot of visiting, as finances and life circumstances allowed.

- 2d type i call "travelling couples", ie, the kind where you basically live together most of the time as spouses/life partners but due to flexible work/life circumstances, etc, you travel bw the two countries (mostly together, or nearly so) and thus, satisfy your individual legal/residency/immigration requirements (ie you're not "out of status"). Here, your time together, wherever you are and whoever is your host, is "cohabitating", and the times you are apart (or away from your home base(s)) are not breaks in cohabitation but mere side trips/travel/vacation.

If you fall somewhere bw the two, or some years you were the first type, other years the 2d type, then you have to try to capture that reality for the VO in your application and explanations. For us it was easy bc we were clearly and continuously in the second camp. When in California, we either had a long-term lease (when my hubbie had an investors visa to the States), or later on, we stayed at my condo, or short-term rental, or even my sister's for 1-4 months. I don't consider those times a "visit" from my husband, any more than calling it a "visit" from me to him, when we were both in Toronto (at first in short term rentals, later in a long term leased apartment).

This was just my call, to say that in my view the NATURE of our relationship was really one of cohabiting, and to clearly explain that on my application. But I still said "yes" to visits, as well, bc, if the VO wants to think of these times together as visits, that's fine w me too! IE, to show that our relationship qualifies as genuine however you want to categorize our time together. I figure they are looking more for the substance of the matter than the form, and that's how I tried to answer the questions.

I think one of the toughest things about the application process is how it makes you second-guess the questions, and ponder semantics, and qualify your answers, ad nauseum... there are so many judgment calls that I could never have made any progress if not for this forum!!

+1 jjoon.

 

[jjoon]

+1 jjoon.

thanks a bunch!

 

[meyoutogether143]

thanks a bunch!

Thank you everyone,
Very helpful forum.

 

[meyoutogether143]

Hi Forum mates,

Good morning to all,

May dahilan ba na ma refuse ang application after PPR ? Or nagka kumplikado sa divorce papers?

Sino po ba dito ang may asawa na divorce bago kayo ikasal? For example, the divorce is done by December 2014 and got married on January 2015? Saan po ba dito ang kumplikado kung matagal na nagkakilala pero bago lang naasikaso ang divorce papers at provided naman lahat nang proofs sa relationship?
Kailangan po ba may gap sa months mula pagka divorce saka papakasal uli?

Any opinion pls?

 

[meyoutogether143]

Hi October-November 2014 applicants,


How long would it takes to received
Visa after In-process? Others turn right away to DM.
Is it positive ?

My eCAS is like this ?

Permanent residence received
In-process
Medical result have been received.