HELP-FSW application refused for 0213 NOC EVEN with CANADA job offer attached

[rajhar]

The forms have nothing as to which they should evaluate you under.
Let's hope for some answer to this.
I may most likely end up going to a consultant and pay some amount of money to get this sorted out.

 

[professional 1]

Hi All,

professional 1 - The job title is a Client Relationship Representative - Advisory. This is what I'm working as now and would be post PR visa. The NOC for that job offer will fall under the old 6411. It is not on the new 38 list.
Thanks everyone

Do you know that NOC (6411) falls under level (C) in the national occupational classification !!! this means that you will be awarded zero points in that regard when they assess your application against the points system. (just for your information)

Have a look at the note at the top of page 31 at this link :

http://www.cic.gc.ca/EnGLIsh/resources/manuals/op/op06-eng.pdf

Secondly, for the purpose of the acceptance of your application under the Arranged employment offer i am not sure whether your offer must be at one of those levels (0 or A or B ) or not because i can't see any information prove or deny that at the immigration website, however, (my personal opinion) becuase they don't award any points to any job offer which doesn't fall under one of those levels, i assume that they wouldn't accept it for application under the Arranged employment offer.

 

[rocky272727]

Re: HELP-FSW application refused for 0213 NOC EVEN with CANADA job offer attache

All,

I posted yesterday completedly worried about my application. Today, I got the e-mail stating that I have been rejected as they do not see that the responsibilities matched to the 0213 code even though I was a SAP Project Manager for Implementation with one of the largest Oil and Gas Company in the world.
To top that off, I have been working with a company in my home country and was transferred here to continue working at a higher level as an intra-company transferee, but was later offered a permanent job. I included this letter with the application but CIC made NO mention of this.
So now I'm faced with a rejected application, working here with my husband on temporary work permits and am now afraid or unsure as to whether or not I should even attepmt to re-submit the application.
The CIC did state that I have the correct NOC code for the job, but that they don't believe the responsibilities I put was sufficient.
If anyone can advise, I'd be helpful as I'm about to pay money to a consultant to help me with this.

Thanks.

When did you apply...what are your timelines..?

 

[rupeshhari]

Does it have to be skill level 0, A or B for someone who is already in Canada?

It specifically says it has to be skill level 0 A or B for those currently not in Canada but for those in Canada, skill level is not mentioned.

 

[professional 1]

Re: HELP-FSW application refused for 0213 NOC EVEN with CANADA job offer attache

When did you apply...what are your timelines..?

Here you can find information about her timeline :

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/help-permanent-residency-application-to-sydney-nova-scotia-office-t21153.0.html;msg106550#msg106550

 

[professional 1]

Does it have to be skill level 0, A or B for someone who is already in Canada?

It specifically says it has to be skill level 0 A or B for those currently not in Canada but for those in Canada, skill level is not mentioned.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/EnGLIsh/resources/manuals/op/op06-eng.pdf

According to the information in the above link at the top of page 31 :

Note: Arranged employment points are only awarded for occupations listed in Skill Type 0 or Skill Level
A or B of the NOC. If employment is arranged and the required documentation submitted
between application and assessment, officers will award the points for arranged employment.

They state the above information directly at the top of the schedual (as an instructions for the visa officers) for all of the arranged employment categories, so it appears that they apply for all of them because i don't see any other notes that give any exceptions for people who already work in canada in that regard.


Even in the canadian experience class for foreign workers who have been working in canada for two years or more, they are not eligible under the CEC if their experience doesn't fall under level 0 or A or B so i think it is similiar for people with arranged employment who are currently working in canada.


i noticed that they are very strict in respect to the level of any experience for the immigration purposes by tightening it to levels (0,A,B) only.

 

[rupeshhari]

According to that, it is only for points purpose that one needs skill level 0, A or B but not for ministerial criteria.

Perhaps they wrote the OP6 wrong when they meant even ministerial criteria should be skill level 0,A or B when it comes to FSW 2 or perhaps they are implementing it wrong.

By the way, why doesn't the OP apply for PNP?

 

[professional 1]

According to that, it is only for points purpose that one needs skill level 0, A or B but not for ministerial criteria.

Perhaps they wrote the OP6 wrong when they meant even ministerial criteria should be skill level 0,A or B when it comes to FSW 2 or perhaps they are implementing it wrong.

By the way, why doesn't the OP apply for PNP?

I think it would be better if she apply under the PNP.

Because even when i tried to use the eligibility tool at the immigration website at the following link to check whether she can apply under the federal skilled workers i answered that her experience is level C to see if the system will contiue the evaluation but it stopped proceeing by saying you are not eligible under the FSW and gave me a suggestion to apply under the PNP category.


http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/tool/index.asp

 

[aanbaan]

my 2 cents to the discussion-

1)
When rajhar says that she matched the responsibilities with 0213, i don't thing SAP implementation could directly come into the list because i was not able to match Oracle Apps implementation to 0213. It was matched to 2171, which I claimed to complete no. of years.

For 0213, things that matched closely were - Project planning and budgeting, Pre-sales,Conduct client meetings, Gathering Requirements... things like that... but, direct reference to implementation came in 2171, not in 0213...

2)
To qualify under Cat2, list of 38 is not mndatory, but the job offer has to be approved by HRSDC and the approval has to be obtained by the employer. Most ppl I know in Canada who applied under Cat2 used to negotiate during interview that the employer will sposor their PR, or at least follow up with HRSDC to get an approval on job offer.

@rajhar- you have 3 options -
a) keep working on work permit till you complete 1 year and then apply for Cat 3. does not require to be list of 38
b) talk to your employer and get an approval on your job offer by HRSDC and apply under Cat 2. does not require to be list of 38
c) (best option) Try for AINP.

 

[rupeshhari]

according to their website, it only needs to be HSRDC approved if you are applying from outside canada (could it be that it must be hsrdc approved for work permit anyway but this i dont know for sure).

However, her job sounds like it cannot qualify for AEO because it is not of skill type 0, A or B.

If that is the case, then it looks like CIC did not make a mistake with her app.

I also suggest to look at PNP.

 

[rajhar]

Hi Everyone,

I can't thank you enough.
If I were to look at 0213 from that aspect as stated by aanbaan, that is what my current role is. i.e. presales, meeting with clients, meeting quota, obtaining revenue, managing budgets and revenue for my sector, managing clients etc etc.
I will look at 2171, but I wonder if it makes a difference considering that it does not fall under the Ministerial categories. Or am I mistaken?
I am seeing my 3 options below and I will discuss with my manager and see if he will help with number 2, though I don't see him refusing to do such.
If not, I can wait the one year OR apply through AINP.

Guys thanks very very much

 

[rupeshhari]

2171 will not get you into FSW category 1.

By the way, you mentioned 6411 and 0611 in your posts yesterday. 6411 is the job offer right? what is 0611?

Good luck.