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Help! American/Canadian couple PR status: where to start?

emilymsmits

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Jul 2, 2012
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Thanks for reading! My boyfriend of 2 years is Canadian, I'm American, and we both live in South Korea working as ESL teachers. We're looking to settle down in Canada, but would like to go ahead and start the paperwork process while living abroad to lessen the length of time that I'm in Canada without work. We have shared an apartment for 1 year, but our names are not on the lease, as our employer provides housing. We can provide proof of traveling together internationally, both of our names are on our car insurance, and could have friends write letters proving the validity of our relationship.

What's the best way for us to start this process while we're living abroad?

Thanks so much in advance for any help you can offer! I'm feeling overwhelmed not knowing where to start!

Emily :)
 

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emilymsmits said:
Thanks for reading! My boyfriend of 2 years is Canadian, I'm American, and we both live in South Korea working as ESL teachers. We're looking to settle down in Canada, but would like to go ahead and start the paperwork process while living abroad to lessen the length of time that I'm in Canada without work. We have shared an apartment for 1 year, but our names are not on the lease, as our employer provides housing. We can provide proof of traveling together internationally, both of our names are on our car insurance, and could have friends write letters proving the validity of our relationship.

What's the best way for us to start this process while we're living abroad?

Thanks so much in advance for any help you can offer! I'm feeling overwhelmed not knowing where to start!

Emily :)
Hey Emily,

First of all - welcome to the forum! and the wonderful world of PR application... it is a bit overwhelming, so it's normal not to know where to start!

best is to print out the form, the guidelines, and immerse yourself in it... also read the first thread from Leon on this forum it will give you a bit more of an idea. Start collections proofs, separate them by category ( use the check list). It's a lot of work, so just start right away... and slowly it will come together.

Even if your employer provides housing, maybe you could get a letter from him saying that you are both living in the same place, or something like this, and write a letter explaining why your name is not on the lease ( or ask your employer to do that if possible).

Also start getting the criminal records for places you have lived for more than 6 months - the FBI check for you takes a while, but is only valid for 3 months ( I think, i'm not from the US).

Don't hesitate to come back to the forum for help, there are plenty of knowledgeable people, and lots of US/american couples that can share their experience.

I know that there is specific post for US/Canada couple, written by "parker84" - i can not find it right now but if you look, you will see it - or parker84 might answer to your post as well. She wrote a detailed summary of what to do if you're from the US, what to consider etc...

Good luck!
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emilymsmits

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Thank you for your response and warm welcome! :) I've printed out the checklist of documents, and it sounds very similar to the process of getting my documents in order for coming to Korea - one ? I have at this point is - Since we are unmarried - can we fill out the paperwork for a Common Law PR? I've read the processing time for common law applied for outside of Canada takes approx. 1 year - if we did that we could both be gainfully employed here, but also working towards me being a PR in Canada? Would I have to do any other paperwork once we were married or are the spousal and common law processes the same?

Thanks again!!

Emily
 

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emilymsmits said:
Thank you for your response and warm welcome! :) I've printed out the checklist of documents, and it sounds very similar to the process of getting my documents in order for coming to Korea - one ? I have at this point is - Since we are unmarried - can we fill out the paperwork for a Common Law PR? I've read the processing time for common law applied for outside of Canada takes approx. 1 year - if we did that we could both be gainfully employed here, but also working towards me being a PR in Canada? Would I have to do any other paperwork once we were married or are the spousal and common law processes the same?

Thanks again!!

Emily
hey Emily,

If you have been living together for 12 months and can prove it, then you can apply as common-law, no problem. That's what I am doing as well. the process is pretty much the same as for married couples, except that as common-law you have to "prove" a little bit more that you are a couple, and that you ahve been living together for at least 12 months ( that's the very definition of common-law for Canada). For now, it takes approximately 3 months for the first step ( sponsorship approval) and then the second step depends on your VO. Since you are american, you can choose to apply in the US, or in Korea if you are legally residing there. now - buffalo is average 12 months, and Seoul is 9 months, so maybe you could consider filing your application in Korea? if you have to get to an interview, you will have to go to the office where you submitted your application, so maybe Korea would be easier.

You can keep on working in Korea and wait for your PR to arrive, and move once you have it. the process is the same for common-law and spouses, and there is nothing else to do once you are married, unless you get married in the middle of the process, then you will need to update CIC or your new status ( but it won't change anything, won't make it faster or anything like this).

one thing - if both of you are out of Canada, you will need to prove that you are moving to Canada once the PR is approved, so you can start gathering proofs for that as well. As you are from a visa exempt country, if your contract in Korea runs out, you can move to Canada as a tourist - you won't be allowed to work and no health care, but you should be able to get into Canada without problems. Once you have the PR, you can exit at the nearest border, or go to the nearest international airport, and complete the "landing procedure" there.

Good luck - and keep asking if something is not clear!
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emilymsmits

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Sweden, you're my PR guardian angel! :) Thanks so much! I'd read about applying in Seoul, and absolutely that'd be our easiest location for interview purposes. As far as proving cohabitation for 1 year, I know my employer would have NO problem signing a paper saying we've been living together for more than a year. She's a close friend and knows about our relationship.

However, after thinking more about this I remember my name IS on the lease, but my boyfriend's won't be. He has had his own place (because it's provided at no extra cost to us, but it's where we put our extra stuff), but we've used mine as our primary residence) Will the letter from my employer be enough? Or neighbors? Mail to the same address in each of our names?

Also, we absolutely plan to come to Canada, my boyfriend is a certified teacher and we want to return to Nunuvut, where he can work as a teacher. The job application process won't begin until March 2013 for the August 2013-2014. What kind of proof has to be shown to prove we plan on residing in Canada?

Thanks!

Emily
 

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emilymsmits said:
Sweden, you're my PR guardian angel! :) Thanks so much! I'd read about applying in Seoul, and absolutely that'd be our easiest location for interview purposes. As far as proving cohabitation for 1 year, I know my employer would have NO problem signing a paper saying we've been living together for more than a year - but my employer and my name are on the lease, not my boyfriend's. He has had his own place (because it's provided by our employer and Korean apartments are small, but we've used mine as our primary residence) Will the letter from my employer be enough?

Also, we absolutely plan to come to Canada, my boyfriend is a certified teacher and we want to return to Nunuvut, where he can work as a teacher. The job application process won't begin until March 2013 for the August 2013-2014. What kind of proof has to be shown to prove we plan on residing in Canada?

Thanks! Emily

Emily
Hey Emily,

glad I can help! I got a lot of information reading on the forum when putting together my own application (3 months ago, and it took me three months too!), so if I can share experience and help you get through the whole process, then - that's good!

About the letter from your employer - write your own letter explaining the situation in details - not having your name on the lease etc, - and include the letter from your employer. It might not be enough to prove that you are a couple etc, so try and get as much details as possible - pictures, trip together, letters from friends and family, if you have a life insurance where your partner is named, if you have a house insurance with both names on it, a shared bank account ( we added my partner's name to my bank account just for the purpose of the application as we didn't need it before, but well...) - anything that can prove that you are a couple. Maybe copies of your visa showing that you have arrived at the same time, that you are working in the same place etc - be creative! no application is the same, so you need to work on your own case to make sure that you would convince a complete stranger that your relationship is genuine, and that you are a couple ( and that you have been living together for more than 12 months).

About returning to Canada and how to prove it - there again, the best way to do it (if your partner doesn't have a job lined up) is to get into details. We created a timeline of our relation, and a plan on what we need to do before we go to Canada, and on arrival. You can try that - no guarantee of course, but you need to convince the VO that you will leave Korea and settle in Canada if you are granted the PR (it sounds obvious, of course, why would you go through the hassle of sending an application if you didn't intend to live in canada afterwards - but remember, the application is the same for everybody but applicants come from all different backgrounds and different stories). So - steps you need to take to leave Korea (cancelling residency, date of expiry of your current visa, taxes matter if anything needs to be settled before you go, closing your bank account in Korea if you have one, how many months notice you need to give for the apartment etc), and when you will take them, quotations from moving companies if you have ( you can get a few over the internet, , letters from your family if they will host you when you arrive, a letter from the potential school where your partner is planning on teaching ( might be difficult to get if the process is not opened yet for applications, but maybe you can get a letter from the school that he has worked there before and they would welcome him back if he was willing to apply etc). you can also include details on how you plan to support yourself (or your partner) while you are not allowed to work, if you have any savings for that, where you plan to live upon arrivals. All the practical details, that you might have started discussing with your partner - just put it together into a form, whatever format suits you.

Good luck!
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Mail addressed to both of you, or either of you at the same address is good, but you would have had to keep the envelopes. Still, start keeping this kind of proof now if you didn't keep it before.