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Hearing Waiting Time - Is it same for all Borders?

mafghan

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Hi,

My wife and 3 kids will claim at Asylum at US - Canada irregular border. I was told that Hearing wait time for those who crossed via Roxham Border is over 18 months and it’s much less waiting time for those who crossed through Seattle / Vancouver irregular border, is this true? I thought Asylum cases are distributed on a federal level and the wait time is almost same for all provinces, please correct me.

2nd Question: While my family waits for hearing, will they get enough financial and social support to survive? My three kids are 19, 15 and 8 years old.
 

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Hi,

My wife and 3 kids will claim at Asylum at US - Canada irregular border. I was told that Hearing wait time for those who crossed via Roxham Border is over 18 months and it’s much less waiting time for those who crossed through Seattle / Vancouver irregular border, is this true? I thought Asylum cases are distributed on a federal level and the wait time is almost same for all provinces, please correct me.

2nd Question: While my family waits for hearing, will they get enough financial and social support to survive? My three kids are 19, 15 and 8 years old.
Where are you planning on going? Which city? This can also influence wait times.

In terms of financial support, you'll definitely want to request a work permit and start working as soon as you can. The financial support provided does not make for a good life. It will be a struggle, especially with 3 kids. So aiming to work as soon as possible will be important in my opinion. Note that we are seeing some inconsistency in how soon the work permit is issued. So ideally they should also come with some savings to help support themselves. But appreciate that's not always possible. I would recommend staying away from large, expensive cities like Toronto and Vancouver. Also Calgary given how limited rentals are there right now.
 
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mafghan

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Thank you for your help

I wish if we could settle in Toronto as we have some relatives there. However, I understand that is very expensive in large cities

Any idea on average rents in Toronto and approximate monthly financial / social support that my family can’t get?

My most important: What is average wait time for Hearing in Toronto. Do it depend on which border we arrived? Is the wait time different from province to province or is it more less the same coast to coast ?
 

scylla

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Jun 8, 2010
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Buffalo
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Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
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05-10-2010
Thank you for your help

I wish if we could settle in Toronto as we have some relatives there. However, I understand that is very expensive in large cities

Any idea on average rents in Toronto and approximate monthly financial / social support that my family can’t get?

My most important: What is average wait time for Hearing in Toronto. Do it depend on which border we arrived? Is the wait time different from province to province or is it more less the same coast to coast ?
The average rent for a 2 bedroom is currently $3,300 per month in Toronto. Rentals are also in short supply, meaning that it's difficult to find them (and extremely difficult if you are new to Canada and not employed). Can they live with the relatives?

I can't comment on the specific wait times for Toronto. I'll leave that up to someone else.
 
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Copingwithlife

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Thank you for your help

I wish if we could settle in Toronto as we have some relatives there. However, I understand that is very expensive in large cities

Any idea on average rents in Toronto and approximate monthly financial / social support that my family can’t get?

My most important: What is average wait time for Hearing in Toronto. Do it depend on which border we arrived? Is the wait time different from province to province or is it more less the same coast to coast ?
It’s advised not to attempt to come to Toronto and rent a place . It’s EXTREMELY expensive . Example. I rent a bachelor, 301 sq, condo. My rent is $2000/month. Be warned . And I have an extremely good credit score , finances . Friend and his new wife rented a one bedroom North Toronto. $2700/month . Their application was 35 pages .
 
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canuck78

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Wait times in Toronto and Montreal are the longest. It really depends on whether your file is identified for expedited processing. Even expedited processing can be around a year. Due to the large volume of asylum seekers currently entering Canada waitlists will continue to grow so would anticipate anywhere up to 2+ years for a hearing. That would mean if everything goes well you will only be able to reunite with your family in 3-6 years. You can calculate exactly what your family will qualify for but it’s around $2500 based on some quick math. Your wife and your eldest child will likely both have to work full-time to support the family to live in Toronto and that’s without many extras just housing, transportation, food and phone. I would really suggest another city especially if both of them have no plans on working full-time. Your 19 year old is considered an adult so will not receive much in terms of additional benefits compared to a child 17 and under. Minimum wage is $15.50/hr although there are taxes and deductions so you don’t take home $15.50/hr. Many claiming asylum are dependent on charity for food, clothing, household goods because welfare does not give them enough to live on especially in expensive cities. Just trying to be honest. If they could live with your family that would save them a lot of money. Your family can tell them what the current rental rates where they live to have an idea of the potential cost. Dependent on the landlord and the sex of your children you may have difficulty renting only a 2 bedroom especially if the 19 years old is a boy. Due to competition landlords are able to be picky and chose a family with one child for the 2 bedroom over a family of 4. I would ask your family in Toronto about a realistic picture of how difficult it is to live in Toronto on welfare or minimum wage. Comparing it to your home country is not helpful. Some families don’t want to worry their families so don’t give a true picture of how they are living in Canada and that it is a struggle. Things like how much they spend on food a week, transportation, housing, etc. for their family. If they have lived somewhere for an extended period of time their rent will be under current market value so would look online or ask about current rental rates nearby if they live in a apartment building. Are they willing to come and collect you from Montreal? If not, do you have the funds to travel to Toronto via train or a private car service? Many end up in Montreal because they don’t have the funds to travel to Toronto.

https://www.toronto.ca/community-people/employment-social-support/employment-support/employment-seekers-in-financial-need/ontario-works-rates/
 
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mafghan

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Wait times in Toronto and Montreal are the longest. It really depends on whether your file is identified for expedited processing. Even expedited processing can be around a year. Due to the large volume of asylum seekers currently entering Canada waitlists will continue to grow so would anticipate anywhere up to 2+ years for a hearing. That would mean if everything goes well you will only be able to reunite with your family in 3-6 years. You can calculate exactly what your family will qualify for but it’s around $2500 based on some quick math. Your wife and your eldest child will likely both have to work full-time to support the family to live in Toronto and that’s without many extras just housing, transportation, food and phone. I would really suggest another city especially if both of them have no plans on working full-time. Your 19 year old is considered an adult so will not receive much in terms of additional benefits compared to a child 17 and under. Minimum wage is $15.50/hr although there are taxes and deductions so you don’t take home $15.50/hr. Many claiming asylum are dependent on charity for food, clothing, household goods because welfare does not give them enough to live on especially in expensive cities. Just trying to be honest. If they could live with your family that would save them a lot of money. Your family can tell them what the current rental rates where they live to have an idea of the potential cost. Dependent on the landlord and the sex of your children you may have difficulty renting only a 2 bedroom especially if the 19 years old is a boy. Due to competition landlords are able to be picky and chose a family with one child for the 2 bedroom over a family of 4. I would ask your family in Toronto about a realistic picture of how difficult it is to live in Toronto on welfare or minimum wage. Comparing it to your home country is not helpful. Some families don’t want to worry their families so don’t give a true picture of how they are living in Canada and that it is a struggle. Things like how much they spend on food a week, transportation, housing, etc. for their family. If they have lived somewhere for an extended period of time their rent will be under current market value so would look online or ask about current rental rates nearby if they live in a apartment building. Are they willing to come and collect you from Montreal? If not, do you have the funds to travel to Toronto via train or a private car service? Many end up in Montreal because they don’t have the funds to travel to Toronto.

https://www.toronto.ca/community-people/employment-social-support/employment-support/employment-seekers-in-financial-need/ontario-works-rates/
Thanks a million
 

itzdrmac

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you cant even give rent with the financial support they will give u so better start working asap that being said now to get wp it takes around 6 months
 

canuck78

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you cant even give rent with the financial support they will give u so better start working asap that being said now to get wp it takes around 6 months
Many have a false expectation that you can live off of welfare. Most new protected people are only surviving because child benefit wasbrought in right before 40k Syrians arrived and they arrived already PRs. They would have been in so much trouble, especially the large families, had they had not had the extra money from CCB. Their income will decrease dramatically as their children age or if we ever go back to tax credits versus child benefit.