Don't wait for notes. Just ask for explanation for refusal through email which they sent refusal letter through. They will send you refusal explanation document within 24-48hrs. Much faster than GCMS notes.
H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim
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Just FYI: A lot of the information get vetted out based on what are the true grounds of the application. If you think the officer read every piece of information then you are wrong. Immigration lawyers tend to lean towards submitting extreme amount of documentation because it causes information overload and according to them, it can potentially result in positive outcome. Again, it is speculation. But I would be surprised if officer even read half of that 1500 page submission. Workloads for officers are based on risk assessment and what factors are in play and they are independent of the length of your submission so you can add 1500 pages or 2000 pages, officer will always extract important parts by skimming through it.
For example where they are from, whether they’ve lived in numerous places, whether these countries share information with Canada, what jobs they have held, etc. these all can impact length of a background check.
Still takes a long time to skim through that volume of information which is why it is best to provide a smaller amount of documentation. A H&C case can be made in much less than 1500 pages.
Not necessarily. keep in mind 1500 pages can be articles studies documentaries and relevant supporting cases. So I don’t agree that it can be shorter. It is very dependent on the case and how extensive are the case facts. But to each their own. I would say my report alone for H&C was close to 400 pages and my focus was only on one issue however majority was just support documents which are not necessarily needed but are important from my perspective for the decision maker.
You got it thanks to understand that was the point of view for any arguments we support based on documents and facts ,like you said articles ,studies documentaries, comparation your home country with Canada , school reports, medical reports,work letters, bank statements, family,friends , community letters, clients , co workers letters, insurance slips, house ownership ,car ownership, pictures with family , friends and pictures at work, prove that your parents and grandchildren are Canadian citizens,emails with clients or co workers regarding work and job organization,emails with lawyers,doctors and brokers so they can see everything in my family is done by me to help my parents, business web site , business registration, invoices,paid slips, t4, NOA,
Doctors appointments with family as I have to translate for them in my language,
House Expenses, bills under my name ,previous immigration documents and applications, H&C and Work permit,study permit application, pictures of passport, documents translated, criminal records,wend you ask immigration for the ,best interest of the child, family ties, established in Canada, hardship to return home country , family separation medical condition 1500 pages should be fair I like to see where they gonna find arguments to decline this type of H&C I'll be difficult for them to review but at the same time it's your life in front of them if they decline I did everything possible to get this h&c approved my
I'll be fine with my family because we present everything we had no regrets in my mindI did it same thing ( around 300 pages + 35 of letter of explanation), got approval ( AIP ) in June 2024 , application submitted in July 2023. You will get good news very soon. Best of luckYou got it thanks to understand that was the point of view for any arguments we support based on documents and facts ,like you said articles ,studies documentaries, comparation your home country with Canada , school reports, medical reports,work letters, bank statements, family,friends , community letters, clients , co workers letters, insurance slips, house ownership ,car ownership, pictures with family , friends and pictures at work, prove that your parents and grandchildren are Canadian citizens,emails with clients or co workers regarding work and job organization,emails with lawyers,doctors and brokers so they can see everything in my family is done by me to help my parents, business web site , business registration, invoices,paid slips, t4, NOA,
Doctors appointments with family as I have to translate for them in my language,
House Expenses, bills under my name ,previous immigration documents and applications, H&C and Work permit,study permit application, pictures of passport, documents translated, criminal records,wend you ask immigration for the ,best interest of the child, family ties, established in Canada, hardship to return home country , family separation medical condition 1500 pages should be fair I like to see where they gonna find arguments to decline this type of H&C I'll be difficult for them to review but at the same time it's your life in front of them if they decline I did everything possible to get this h&c approved my
The argument was that the 1500 pages would just be skimmed through anyways. You can’t skim through articles and documents presenting similar cases. Also a 1000 page difference in your application and a 1500 page one. If people submit these long H&C applications people have to expect much longer processing times for everyone. Also why processing H&C applications are extremely expensive to process. This program needs reform asap for a variety of reasons. If you follow the JRs you see that Canada has started removing people waiting for the outcome of their H&Cs because processing times are so long. The federal government will all be cutting staff across the board so H&C department also likely to lose staff.
Before AiP - criminality passed , After AIP criminality started again, currently everything else ( eligibility, Medical & security) passed except Criminality in progress.
Looks to me ,when officers want to park applications OR want to check criminal record again for gap time between AIP and FD then start criminality start again. Hopefully they will start landing very soon for people’s those waiting for second stage approval because need to fill the quota for 2025 & we are not too far to year end .
Honestly I think big factor in H&C’s long processing time is abuse of the program. People think that it is a route to get PR if they or their parents can’t settle some other way but reality is that this program is not for it. It is extremely frustrating how agents or so called reps are proposing clients to pursue H&C. System is backlogged by incompetent assholes like them (excuse my language). Reforming system trust me won’t help because there are always people who will fuck up something good for people who really need it.
Although parents are a big issue there are many groups that abuse H&C. It was meant for exceptional circumstances and it has become a program for anyone without a pathway to PR from failed asylum claimants, international students, work permit holders, parents/other family members, visitors with no pathway to PR, etc. Agree that the program will always be abused so may not be feasible at all or have to have extremely strict requirements to apply. The move to remove people during H&C processing should help discourage some people from people from applying and prevent multiple applications without being removed after the first refusal. Would add that very long applications do require significant resources to process so do impact the number of cases a person can process in a year and slow the process even further. The H&C program was not set up to process such a large volume of applications. With a much smaller PR quota the H&C department will have to recalibrate why they feel is an H&C case. Many JRs have already shown they are denying applications that may have once been approved.
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