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k.h.p.

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The mother isn't hospitalized the child is. Mother likely spent a few days in hospital.
Well, yes, but the other person wrote that the husband "has been surviving a few months" so I'm trying to ask what they've been doing in Canada for a few months. It seems like this family is likely considering H&C as an "option" to immigrate to Canada.
 
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canuck78

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Yes Canada is humane enough not to refuse treatment in emergency situations but I am sure the billing department approached the family after the birth to start arranging payment. He should already have paid off his wife's expenses since she has been discharged and most hospitals want you to cover some of the costs in the hospital to ensure you will actually pay the bill.
 

canuck78

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He has been surviving in Canada for a few months? How long has the mother been hospitalized?

The BC Women and Children's hospital will not evict a patient for lack of funds. They will expect your friend to repay in some way.
They will discharge a patient for lack of funds if the patient is stable. Just want to clarify for others who may evetually read this.
 

Aarav123

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They will discharge a patient for lack of funds if the patient is stable. Just want to clarify for others who may evetually read this.
Well the child is not stable and the child is getting excellent medical care and yes I will mention it again and again bc children hospital is not charging a single penny!
 

canuck78

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Well the child is not stable and the child is getting excellent medical care and yes I will mention it again and again bc children hospital is not charging a single penny!
They will and they should. NICU beds are in short supply. Just so you realize that there is a high likelihood that a Canadian had to be flown to another city or the US to find another NICU bed. The taxpayer will have to absorb the cost of sending someone to the US instead of using our own bed. Your friends should be anticipating a 10K bill per day minimum for the NICU stay. If you want to do anything for your friend you should be raising money for him to pay the bill. Perhaps he hasn't shared that the billing department has approached him. As you see from the article attached it will happen.
 

Buletruck

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22 to 36 months for an H&C application, so your friend should probably consider going home to work if he needs money. And while the B.C. children’s hospital may not have approached them about costs (and may never), someone (all Canadians) currently are paying for it. Your friend can address the “Thank You” card to the people of Canada for picking up the bill so far.
 
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canuck78

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22 to 36 months for an H&C application, so your friend should probably consider going home to work if he needs money. And while the B.C. children’s hospital may not have approached them about costs (and may never), someone (all Canadians) currently are paying for it. Your friend can address the “Thank You” card to the people of Canada for picking up the bill so far.
They will approach them. Don’t want other people thinking they won’t get a bill. Some return home without paying their outstanding bills and never return to Canada.
 

canuck_in_uk

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No they didn’t had intentions for birth tourism somehow they ended in this situation and yes he wants a solution for supporting his family until the doctor’s say she’s fit to travel,thanks for your reply
"Somehow they ended in this situation?" Likely meaning that they planned to have the child in Canada but failed to plan for complications.

Well the child is not stable and the child is getting excellent medical care and yes I will mention it again and again bc children hospital is not charging a single penny!
Your friend will be 100% responsible for the medical bills. It is NOT the responsibility of Canadian taxpayers to pay for his family's medical bills.
 
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Aarav123

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Thank you everyone for such valuable comments.I just had a positive feeling that posting here would be helpful in any case to the family but had no idea there would be this much hatred under the topic “humanitarian and compassionate grounds”. I understand why everyone is just so mad at his situation because it seems birth tourism but at least he wants to work legally to pay medical bills and pay TAXES to the Canadian government moreover he is not coming as a refugee and taking money from the government for a long period of time and not working at all because he gets paid as a refugee and all the medical bills taken care aswell.
 
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Buletruck

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No, he’s not a refugee. But he’s trying to use the system to his advantage. He has no right to live and work and pay taxes here. If that’s what he wanted he should have applied to immigrate like everyone else. He’s created his own problem and now wants to have Canada give him a free pass. That’s why people are annoyed.
 

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Thank you everyone for such valuable comments.I just had a positive feeling that posting here would be helpful in any case to the family but had no idea there would be this much hatred under the topic “humanitarian and compassionate grounds”. I understand why everyone is just so mad at his situation because it seems birth tourism but at least he wants to work legally to pay medical bills and pay TAXES to the Canadian government moreover he is not coming as a refugee and taking money from the government for a long period of time and not working at all because he gets paid as a refugee and all the medical bills taken care aswell.
There is no hatred. It is simply fact. They chose to come here to have their child but failed to prepare for the potential consequences of that and are now trying to use the situation to stay in Canada.
 
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canuck78

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Thank you everyone for such valuable comments.I just had a positive feeling that posting here would be helpful in any case to the family but had no idea there would be this much hatred under the topic “humanitarian and compassionate grounds”. I understand why everyone is just so mad at his situation because it seems birth tourism but at least he wants to work legally to pay medical bills and pay TAXES to the Canadian government moreover he is not coming as a refugee and taking money from the government for a long period of time and not working at all because he gets paid as a refugee and all the medical bills taken care aswell.
Your friend is not a refugee. There are economic immigration programs that are explained in great detail online. Your friend is trying to secure citizenship for their child and hadn’t taken into consideration that pregnancies/birth don’t always go as planned and so a medical bill can go from 10k to 100K+ very quickly. Your friend is welcome to return to their home country and apply for economic immigration programs like everyone else. He needs to pay off his medical bills but not sure why he and you think that he has the right to do this in Canada. H&C process takes years. If he doesn’t have savings now how does he even expect to wait a year before finding out if he gets approval in principle and be able to get a work permit. The chances of approval aren’t great either. Having a Canadian child does not mean that parents are able to immigrate to Canada. Not sure why you are surprised. There are plenty of articles, especially in BC, that indicate that the Canadian public is against birth tourism and foreigners using the medical system without paying because they had not taken out medical insurance. Your friend is doing things backwards. You don’t come to Canada and use the medical system then try to get a work permit to pay it off. He has also created a problem for himself. Visitors who have not paid their medical bills and have come to Canada for birth tourism are often denied subsequent visit visas.
 
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Bornlucky

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Thank you everyone for such valuable comments.I just had a positive feeling that posting here would be helpful in any case to the family but had no idea there would be this much hatred under the topic “humanitarian and compassionate grounds”. I understand why everyone is just so mad at his situation because it seems birth tourism but at least he wants to work legally to pay medical bills and pay TAXES to the Canadian government moreover he is not coming as a refugee and taking money from the government for a long period of time and not working at all because he gets paid as a refugee and all the medical bills taken care aswell.
They are visitors, sorry that they decided to have a baby in a foreign land - what fool suggested that they should pursue this course?

He wants to work legally but what happened to the life in the home country and any need to get back there? Both parents have to stay in Canada, we're left to assume because? One of them should rush home to prepare for the return of the other two, but there are no plans to leave are there.

Perhaps it is your own post in a different thread detailing you working illegally in Canada? Your disassociation for following Canadian law may make for an unsympathetic audience.

You add now some sort of nobility for being willing to pay taxes and not making a phony refugee claim? Please - the baby is Canadian and the parents look to be an upcoming enforcement file. The child may be able to sponsor them around 20 years from now - that's what birth tourism gets you.

Humanitarian and Compassionate grounds applications are the last resort for many desperate people who would face a hardship outside of Canada and these two can add the tale of self-destruction that they've created for themselves within Canada. Good luck with that.