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[saeid]

Hi guys.
visit below link
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2009/2009-02-20.asp

 

[Raindrop73]

happy about what !!!

I suggest you read this article.


Tories consider cut in immigrant numbers: Minister
By Norma Greenaway, Canwest News ServiceFebruary 10, 2009 2:01 PM

CanWest News ServiceOTTAWA — Canada is prepared to consider a cut in the number of newcomers allowed into the country if necessary over the short term to respond to a souring domestic job and economic scene, Immigration Minister Jason Kenney says. "We don´t want people to be coming to Canada and facing unemployment," Kenney said Tuesday. "So, we need to be sensitive to a changing labour market, and if we need to make changes, we will."
Kenney made the comments to reporters after telling an all-party Commons committee that federal, provincial and territorial officials plan to meet at the end of next month to review the economic data to see if modifications to immigration levels are needed. For now, though, the minority Conservative government plans to maintain its current immigration target of accepting up to 265,000 new permanent residents in 2009, Kenney told the committee on citizenship and immigration. He said the government must be careful about turning off the flow of immigrants into the country because they will be needed post-recession to fill jobs and help fuel Canada´s economic growth. "We need to be flexible, prudent and ensure that our response to short-term conditions does not counter our long-term goals, in which immigration will play a significant role," Kenney said.

Kenney added, however, that bad economic news could spur some potential immigrants to abandon plans to move to Canada. "There is no doubt that newcomers, like all Canadians, will have a tougher time this year," he said. "And I suspect some people will take that into consideration in their decisions about whether or not to actually use the visas that were offered to them to come here as foreign workers." Speaking later to reporters, Kenney said that although demand for temporary foreign workers will shrink this year, it will not disappear because there are still some labour gaps Canadian workers are unable to fill.

He promised to introduce a set of regulations this spring to protect foreign workers who, according to recent media reports, have been left in a lurch after being laid off from their jobs in Canada. "Obviously there are issues of abuse (and) we want to address those," Kenney said. Kenney also announced the government is increasing to 3,900 the number of refugees it will accept this year from war-ravaged Iraq.

The new total is up from about 2,000 last year. Liberal MP Jim Karygiannis said the economic downturn is no excuse to lower immigration levels because newcomers are still needed to "fill the void of what Canadians don´t want to do." Karygiannis told reporters he interprets Kenney´s remarks as a sign the government is going to "cut back massively" on the number of foreigners it will allow into the country as prospective immigrants.

© Copyright (c) Canwest News Service

 

[rupeshhari]

I am definitely a researcher.

Look at the dates of the two articles. The first published article was on the 10th of Feb and they were concerned about immigration numbers and they were due to meet later in the month.
The second article is from the 20th of Feb and i presume (i cant know for certain) that it was after that meeting.

Immigration numbers are safe for now because they need immigration for the upswing as well as job creation.

While I am saying that immigration numbers may be safe, remember it is up to individuals to do their research and figure out if Canada is for them.

 

[Raindrop73]

rupeshhari,

You are definitely not reading. This article is about the the tendancy to cut numbers, which will be disucssed in a metting by the end of March.

Kenney made the comments to reporters after telling an all-party Commons committee that federal, provincial and territorial officials plan to meet at the end of next month to review the economic data to see if modifications to immigration levels are needed.

The minister talking about the unemployment which he fears that immigrants may face.

The liberal governor is talking that immigrants are needed to ;"fill the void of what Canadians don´t want to do."

I will let you think, yourself, what kind of jobs Canadians don;t want to do. Or you can ask BCguy, he has agood examples of his immigrants friends who work as plumbers, bus drivers in the best.

Hoping you find this useful.

ohhh.

 

[rupeshhari]

Sorry i did read that wrong, but you are not seeing the bigger picture of what i am trying to say. Sure, immigrants will fill the void of those jobs Canadians dont want to do. Do you think every immigrant only fills those voids lol. i find that funny. Tendency to cut numbers is not cutting itself. And if they do cut numbers, its not a bad thing for those who still get through. Do you think UK is not cutting numbers? lol. Anyway, for most immigrants Canada is far better than UK.

Like i said, you wanted to leave UK in the first place. I see lots of Brits who do want to leave to Canada. In fact, lots of Brits move to Canada, US, Australia and South Africa. I don't think there is a desperation (or at least a large tendency) for Canadians to move to UK ha ha....that is market efficiency in some way.

 

[INDIA2009]

hi guys uk job market is bad very bad no job espescially for non eu people what do u think abt canadian job market i think canada is also hit by recession.

 

[Raindrop73]

rupeshhari,

You are a big dreamer, my friend. One who change things to suit what he wants to see.

I gave you a simple example about what the MINISTERS of Canada think about the current times there, and about there attitude regarding their' need' for immigrants, and you still argue that ' not every immigrant will fill that void' ..ohhhh

Sure, not immigrant will do, but most of them. By the way, many Canadians flee the country to other places. It is the right for everyone to live and work in a place of his own choice, I am not arguing that, it is a common sense.

Seeing is beleiving. That is it, somepeople learn from others' mistake, while others learn only from their own mistakes. The only difference, that one can make it up if his mistake was about buying a car or a house, in the worst, but making it up for destroying life and career is not that easy.

All the best.

 

[Raindrop73]

hi guys uk job market is bad very bad no job espescially for non eu people what do u think abt canadian job market i think canada is also hit by recession.

I agree, but only in the current recession.

What I ment is very simple. Talent and international qualifications are much respected here in the UK then they are in Canada. Bare in mind that supply and demand control the job market everywhere, but no execuses like' lack of so called Canadian experience' here in the UK.

 

[rupeshhari]

if we don't dream, where will we be lol.

"One who change things to suit what he wants to see" ha ha.

Canadians don't flee as much as the Brits do. So you are also taking my simple example and changing it lol. I never said Canadian don't move out but i did imply they don't move out at quite the same rate as the Brit.

Of course, everyone can choose their own place, that is why I said you made a great choice in staying back in UK. You should know that its hard being an immigrant and its not for the faint hearted to do that again and again. I don't know about your qualifications, etc so cannot comment for you. I can only comment about myself. I happen to have moved around in many countries and moved everytime not because things were bad but because i wanted to travel and see other countries. Its not dreaming to think that I can succeed in Canada (provided they let me in). My international experience and my very good qualification gives me a higher probability of success. Just as I cannot comment on your situation, you shouldn't comment on my 'dreamer' situation lol.

People move from US to Canada because they think US is bad. I am doing pretty okay here in the US lol, so Canada will probably be better for me. Anyway, good luck man. I know you wanted to leave UK in the first place and still haven't found a place to go to. I do hope you find a place that you will be happy in. It is important.

 

[rupeshhari]

hi guys uk job market is bad very bad no job espescially for non eu people what do u think abt canadian job market i think canada is also hit by recession.

I agree, but only in the current recession.

What I ment is very simple. Talent and international qualifications are much respected here in the UK then they are in Canada. Bare in mind that supply and demand control the job market everywhere, but no execuses like' lack of so called Canadian experience' here in the UK.

International qualification is more respected in UK in general. That is true, but if you already have a top qualification, neither country matters, both will accept it. Do you think either will reject MIT lol.

 

[BCguy]

Raindrop
let it go,Rupeshari has selected to go to Canada instead of the UK from the Us,respect his choice.Likewise We respect your choice to try and succeed in the UK.I am happy in Canada.Bottom life We are more ethnically diverse and welcoming to Immigrants especially to those from the Third World,In BC,Our highest political office Premier has been reached by a South Asian and in the UK.....Our head of state Governor General Michelle Jean is a black woman from Haiti and in the UK??????If you recognize talent why havent you allowed the"ethnics" to try holding serious power in your country,Not "British"enough perhaps

 

[Raindrop73]

(My international experience and my very good qualification gives me a higher probability of success. Just as I cannot comment on your situation, you shouldn't comment on my 'dreamer' situation lol.)

You just make me about to laugh!!
With all due respect to your qualifications, I strongly suggest that you prepare a dust-proof envelop to put your qualifications in as no one there will give a s..t about them.

Sorry for saying that, but this is the actual truth there. Here is the OBLY tried remedy to get a job there, prescribed by real-life’ immigrants. It is called, networking.

About my qualifications, it is not the point of this discussion, but let me inform you about them:

1- A college lecturer back home
2- An MSc holder from the UK in project Management where the main focus of research is Health and Safety.
3- A PhD student in the UK now in one of the highest and rare- to find area of research (Occupational Health and Safety)
Of course, such qualifications may not be respected in Canada, due to the lack of the ‘valuable’ Canadian experience !
.

Regarding why I tried to go to Canada, simply because

1- It is just easier in terms of getting the citizenship.
2- It is a step to move t the greater neighbour down south ( the US)
Trust me, I f I have the chance to get my PR here in the UK, I would never think about going to Canada, only as a tourist.

Another question, what do you think the qualification of most immigrants who flip burgers and drive cabs. I am not assuming you think that their qualifications are less then yours!. I would suggest you to ask Leon, our forum mate here, about the qualification of the cab driver who picked him up when he first landed in Toronto airport, as he clearly mentioned it in one of his posts. It was a PhD!

One last question, I am dying to know where you are from, of course if you don’t mind.

 

[Leon]

Raindrop, if you look down on bus drivers and plumbers, you definitely don't belong in Canada. Plumbers are highly skilled professionals and they make good money. Bus drivers a bit less so but still have a comfortable life.

For sure there are some people with PhD's who work as cab drivers. Maybe it's temporary while they look for a job in their field or maybe they can't get a job in their field and do something else while they figure out what they should re-train as or maybe they are a cab driver by choice because they like to.

I chose to do blue collar work because I enjoy it more than sitting at a desk. I saw people come in and start to apprentice the trade because they wanted to, even people who already had a college education. One girl who was a computer programmer and had a degree in computers and one guy who was a geologist. Those two were not immigrants. They were Canadians. They were not doing it because they couldn't find jobs, they were doing it because they wanted to. Just because you have a degree in something doesn't mean you are stuck doing it for the rest of your life.

And don't look down on blue collar workers. You will find out when you have to hire a plumber how much they charge

 

[Raindrop73]

Raindrop, if you look down on bus drivers and plumbers, you definitely don't belong in Canada. Plumbers are highly skilled professionals and they make good money. Bus drivers a bit less so but still have a comfortable life.

For sure there are some people with PhD's who work as cab drivers. Maybe it's temporary while they look for a job in their field or maybe they can't get a job in their field and do something else while they figure out what they should re-train as or maybe they are a cab driver by choice because they like to.

I chose to do blue collar work because I enjoy it more than sitting at a desk. I saw people come in and start to apprentice the trade because they wanted to, even people who already had a college education. One girl who was a computer programmer and had a degree in computers and one guy who was a geologist. Those

two were not immigrants. They were Canadians. They were not doing it because they couldn't find jobs, they were doing it because they wanted to. Just because you have a degree in something doesn't mean you are stuck doing it for the rest of your life.

And don't look down on blue collar workers. You will find out when you have to hire a plumber how much they charge

Oh my GOD,,,,OH MY GOD
Leon, it seems that you enjoy accusing me for thinks I never said, or even thought of .

Look down at people or professions!! NO…NO..NOOOOOOOO.

Is this how you understand my words, then, excuse me for saying that you got a problem in understanding.

Who am I to disrespect other people or works !

I said it many times in my posts that I worker a very hard work during my studies here in the UK, so how do you came up with such an accusation!

When I talked about plumbers and bus drivers , I meant a very SIMPLE and CLEAR thing. It is about the unfairness for some professional who had to LEAVE their profession, the one that they already spent most of their lives in, the one that they spent many years of study on it, and had to work in jobs suits only HIGHE SCHOOL DROP OUT’S.

Please again, try to understand what I am saying, and not accuse me for things even a silly boy would never think about it.

 

[rupeshhari]

With all due respect to your qualifications, I strongly suggest that you prepare a dust-proof envelop to put your qualifications in as no one there will give a s..t about them.

Sorry for saying that, but this is the actual truth there. Here is the OBLY tried remedy to get a job there, prescribed by real-life' immigrants. It is called, networking.

About my qualifications, it is not the point of this discussion, but let me inform you about them:

1- A college lecturer back home
2- An MSc holder from the UK in project Management where the main focus of research is Health and Safety.
3- A PhD student in the UK now in one of the highest and rare- to find area of research (Occupational Health and Safety)
Of course, such qualifications may not be respected in Canada, due to the lack of the ‘valuable' Canadian experience !
.

I agree about networking but do you think my network comes from being me or from my university's brand name lol. I met couple of head of departments from Canada and from other places at a conference last year. They were quite interested in getting to know me but unfortunately, i was too early in my phd to consider that. I am certainly not a great PhD student but what makes me attractive to lots of department is the brand name of my university. So to say that they don't give a damn about my university would be hard to believe. If you are from Oxford or from Cambridge and in my field, then you won't have much problem in Canada. I am fortunate to be playing in a level of similar brand name and in a field that is hot even during recession (especially during this financial crisis). I won't bore you with my research interests. Remember people go to hot MBA schools because brand names have better networking opportunities. I don't disagree with your networking comment but I think you may fail to understand that it is the brand name that is facilitating my networking.

I think what you fail to understand is that my case is different from others. It is not the PhD that makes me attractive to academic departments but rather where I am getting my PhD from. I hope no one takes this as a show off, because I can assure you that I am not a good student lol.

As for my citizenship. I am of dual citizenry and would rather not reveal that in a public forum.

Oh by the way, i do think that most of the people who are doing jobs that they don't want to, have less of an academic qualification than I will once I graduate. Because if they do have the same qualification, you are saying that over 50% of such people have phd. That would be hard to believe. I am not saying that many phds are not doing those jobs they don't want to but over 50% seems high.
Sample size is important to consider before making conclusion. I am sure Leon would have taken many cabs and more of those drivers would have no Phd rather than Phd, but it would be boring and inconsequential to mention that his cab driver did not have phd.

Also I can assure you that most of their phd is not from a similar or better brand name than mine. Also don't forget, academic qualification is not the be all and end all. Its skills that matter at the end. Fortunately for me, employers (in my field) have a higher success rate with brand name universities so tend to minimize their cost by interviewing such graduates.

Oh you want to move south to the US. Didn't know that. I want to move north to Canada from US. Not that I think US is bad. I like exploring new places. My adviser who is a true US patriot wants me to stay in the US and contribute to the US' economy but feel like I have seen most of what I want to see in the US.

Leon - blue collar jobs are certainly not bad. Its not my preference as much as I am sure you would find what I do boring. When I was younger, I used to think that I should earn more just because I have a higher academic qualification. Of course, that disappeared quickly as soon as one learns about demand and supply and that skills don't necessarily come from academic qualification. I also agree one should not look down on bus drivers and plumbers, etc. In fact one should not look down on anyone. As I told one student who came to visit us when I used to work in a company, we shouldn't look down at the old lady begging on the streets, she is doing all she can, with what she knows, to make sure her child is fed. To give you a quick story, i lived in a rural area once and lightening hit the transformer. We had to wait two weeks for electricity to be restored. Life wasn't fun.