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ResKi

Full Member
Oct 3, 2015
43
3
calgary
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Hello, I need an urgent advice please: common-law partner and I (myself as a principal applicant, plasterer with 1.5 years experience in Canada and about 5 abroad) have applied for Express Entry and were invited to apply on May 22 round scoring more than 1000 points. The system have chosen Federal Skilled Trades stream and we have applied there.

Our application has started June 8 and during that time we have received two requests for additional documentation (English test proof and family connections) and had 6 lines in ecas.
On October 13 we have received a refusal with 1.5 pages explanation saying that my job offer didn’t mention that it is for one year subject to me obtaining permanent residence status in Canada??


I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a skilled worker. I have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada. Section 11.2 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act directs that an officer may not issue a visa or other document in respect of an application for permanent residence to a foreign national who was issued an invitation under Division 0.1 to make such an application if – at the time the invitation was issued or at the time the officer received their application – the foreign national did not meet the criteria set out in an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(e) or does not have the qualifications on the basis of which they were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h) and were consequently issued the invitation. Citizenship and Immigration Canada invited you to apply for permanent resident status based on the qualifications you claimed in your Express Entry profile. Those qualification claims and the accompanying Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) points awarded were summarized in your invitation letter May 22nd 2015. Paragraph 87.2(3)(d)(ii) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations states that a foreign national is a member of the federal skilled trades class if: (ii) they are in Canada and hold a work permit that is valid on the date on which their application is made and, on the date on which the visa is issued, hold a valid work permit or are authorized to work in Canada under section 186, and (A) the work permit was issued based on a positive determination by an officer under subsection 203(1) with respect to their employment in a skilled trade occupation, (B) they are working for any employer specified on the work permit, and (C) they have an offer of employment — for continuous full-time work for a total of at least one year in the skilled trade occupation that is specified in the application and is in the same minor group set out in the National Occupational Classification as the occupation specified on their work permit — that is made by up to two employers, other than an embassy, high commission or consulate in Canada or an employer whose name appears on the list referred to in subsection 209.91(3) if a period of two years has not elapsed since the day on which the determination referred to in subsection 203(5) or 209.91(1) or (2) was made, who are specified on the work permit, subject to the visa being issued to the foreign national I am not satisfied that you meet these requirements. You have not provided a job offer — for continuous full-time work for a total of at least one year in the skilled trade occupation that is specified in the application subject to the visa being issued to you. You submitted a letter dated June 23rd 2014 and this letter does not mention that it is for one year subject to you obtaining permanent residence status in Canada. You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website as you are no longer an Express Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for Express Entry from any private job board websites, if you used any. Subsection 11(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) states that a foreign national must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the regulations. The visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(2) specifies that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act to “this Act” include regulations made under it. Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the Act and the regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application. Thank you for the interest you have shown in Canada
 

Phil89

Champion Member
Sep 11, 2014
1,175
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ResKi said:
Hello, I need an urgent advice please: common-law partner and I (myself as a principal applicant, plasterer with 1.5 years experience in Canada and about 5 abroad) have applied for Express Entry and were invited to apply on May 22 round scoring more than 1000 points. The system have chosen Federal Skilled Trades stream and we have applied there.

Our application has started June 8 and during that time we have received two requests for additional documentation (English test proof and family connections) and had 6 lines in ecas.
On October 13 we have received a refusal with 1.5 pages explanation saying that my job offer didn’t mention that it is for one year subject to me obtaining permanent residence status in Canada??


I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a skilled worker. I have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada. Section 11.2 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act directs that an officer may not issue a visa or other document in respect of an application for permanent residence to a foreign national who was issued an invitation under Division 0.1 to make such an application if – at the time the invitation was issued or at the time the officer received their application – the foreign national did not meet the criteria set out in an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(e) or does not have the qualifications on the basis of which they were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h) and were consequently issued the invitation. Citizenship and Immigration Canada invited you to apply for permanent resident status based on the qualifications you claimed in your Express Entry profile. Those qualification claims and the accompanying Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) points awarded were summarized in your invitation letter May 22nd 2015. Paragraph 87.2(3)(d)(ii) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations states that a foreign national is a member of the federal skilled trades class if: (ii) they are in Canada and hold a work permit that is valid on the date on which their application is made and, on the date on which the visa is issued, hold a valid work permit or are authorized to work in Canada under section 186, and (A) the work permit was issued based on a positive determination by an officer under subsection 203(1) with respect to their employment in a skilled trade occupation, (B) they are working for any employer specified on the work permit, and (C) they have an offer of employment — for continuous full-time work for a total of at least one year in the skilled trade occupation that is specified in the application and is in the same minor group set out in the National Occupational Classification as the occupation specified on their work permit — that is made by up to two employers, other than an embassy, high commission or consulate in Canada or an employer whose name appears on the list referred to in subsection 209.91(3) if a period of two years has not elapsed since the day on which the determination referred to in subsection 203(5) or 209.91(1) or (2) was made, who are specified on the work permit, subject to the visa being issued to the foreign national I am not satisfied that you meet these requirements. You have not provided a job offer — for continuous full-time work for a total of at least one year in the skilled trade occupation that is specified in the application subject to the visa being issued to you. You submitted a letter dated June 23rd 2014 and this letter does not mention that it is for one year subject to you obtaining permanent residence status in Canada. You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website as you are no longer an Express Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for Express Entry from any private job board websites, if you used any. Subsection 11(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) states that a foreign national must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the regulations. The visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(2) specifies that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act to “this Act” include regulations made under it. Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the Act and the regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application. Thank you for the interest you have shown in Canada
Sorry, don't even know what to say...Are you sure this is related to your PR application? Sounds more for a work permit to me...
 

Anya654

Hero Member
May 13, 2015
744
69
United Kingdom
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Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Sorry for your refusal. Did your skilled trades offer letter mention the duration you'll be working for the company?
 

ResKi

Full Member
Oct 3, 2015
43
3
calgary
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Phil89 - yes, it's definitely for my PR, something to do with my job offer.
Anya654 - no, it didn't, it was indefinite describing duties and wage etc.
 

Phil89

Champion Member
Sep 11, 2014
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Oh I think I know what happened! You have LMIA right? They must have your original job offer on file when you applied for a work permit..Now, when you applied for PR, have you edited your original job offer? Have you taken out the duration of your employment and put "permanent" instead?
 

ResKi

Full Member
Oct 3, 2015
43
3
calgary
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Phil89 - yes I had LMIA by that time but right now I do not have so that I will need to apply for a new one. Actually, I have put the same job offer as on LMIA
 

dobes

Champion Member
Nov 23, 2014
1,177
95
Category........
NOC Code......
1123
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
ResKi said:
Hello, I need an urgent advice please: common-law partner and I (myself as a principal applicant, plasterer with 1.5 years experience in Canada and about 5 abroad) have applied for Express Entry and were invited to apply on May 22 round scoring more than 1000 points. The system have chosen Federal Skilled Trades stream and we have applied there.

Our application has started June 8 and during that time we have received two requests for additional documentation (English test proof and family connections) and had 6 lines in ecas.
On October 13 we have received a refusal with 1.5 pages explanation saying that my job offer didn’t mention that it is for one year subject to me obtaining permanent residence status in Canada??


I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a skilled worker. I have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada. Section 11.2 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act directs that an officer may not issue a visa or other document in respect of an application for permanent residence to a foreign national who was issued an invitation under Division 0.1 to make such an application if – at the time the invitation was issued or at the time the officer received their application – the foreign national did not meet the criteria set out in an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(e) or does not have the qualifications on the basis of which they were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h) and were consequently issued the invitation. Citizenship and Immigration Canada invited you to apply for permanent resident status based on the qualifications you claimed in your Express Entry profile. Those qualification claims and the accompanying Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) points awarded were summarized in your invitation letter May 22nd 2015. Paragraph 87.2(3)(d)(ii) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations states that a foreign national is a member of the federal skilled trades class if: (ii) they are in Canada and hold a work permit that is valid on the date on which their application is made and, on the date on which the visa is issued, hold a valid work permit or are authorized to work in Canada under section 186, and (A) the work permit was issued based on a positive determination by an officer under subsection 203(1) with respect to their employment in a skilled trade occupation, (B) they are working for any employer specified on the work permit, and (C) they have an offer of employment — for continuous full-time work for a total of at least one year in the skilled trade occupation that is specified in the application and is in the same minor group set out in the National Occupational Classification as the occupation specified on their work permit — that is made by up to two employers, other than an embassy, high commission or consulate in Canada or an employer whose name appears on the list referred to in subsection 209.91(3) if a period of two years has not elapsed since the day on which the determination referred to in subsection 203(5) or 209.91(1) or (2) was made, who are specified on the work permit, subject to the visa being issued to the foreign national I am not satisfied that you meet these requirements. You have not provided a job offer — for continuous full-time work for a total of at least one year in the skilled trade occupation that is specified in the application subject to the visa being issued to you. You submitted a letter dated June 23rd 2014 and this letter does not mention that it is for one year subject to you obtaining permanent residence status in Canada. You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website as you are no longer an Express Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for Express Entry from any private job board websites, if you used any. Subsection 11(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) states that a foreign national must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the regulations. The visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(2) specifies that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act to “this Act” include regulations made under it. Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the Act and the regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application. Thank you for the interest you have shown in Canada
The issue here is that, when you get PR with an LMIA, your must have an OFFER OF EMPLOYMENT, that, among other very specific requirements, must promise to employ you full-time and permanently for most positions, or full-time and for at least one year for some selected trade occupations, after you get PR. The letter must state that in no uncertain terms.

What you have to do is go very carefully over your offer of employment to be sure that it says that ONCE YOU ARE GRANTED PR, you will be employed continuously and full-time for the required period (in most cases this would be "permanently" or "indeterminately"; in yours it seems to be required only for one year - but make sure of that before you act). Get your employer to rewrite the letter to reflect that, and re-apply. Many people have gotten PR the second time around, so don't despair!
 

ResKi

Full Member
Oct 3, 2015
43
3
calgary
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
Dobes - thanks for your help, yeap I hope so, just need to wait right now at least 3-4 months before applying if my LMIA will be approved.
Hoping for the best.
And do you know is it possible to speak to the officer and provide new offer of employment or maybe my boss can call mycic?
 

BaileyAB

Star Member
Jul 9, 2015
97
5
124
Edmonton, AB
Category........
CEC
Visa Office......
CPC-Ottawa
NOC Code......
6311
Job Offer........
Yes
App. Filed.......
June 15, 2015
Doc's Request.
Not at all
Nomination.....
Express Entry FSW
AOR Received.
June 15, 2015
IELTS Request
No
Med's Request
No
Med's Done....
June 3rd, 2015
I believe I have similar case, just my app is still in process (4 months will be tomorrow)

I uploaded initial job offer I got from my employer almost 2 years ago and the job offer is for duration of 24 months since LMO stated WP will be issued for 24 months. Once I arrived I signed a employment contract and it states THIS CONTRACT SHALL BE CONSIDERED A PERMANENT POSITION. SHOULD THE EMPLOYEE GAIN PERMANENT RESIDENCY THE LENGHT OF THIS CONTRACT WILL BE NO LESS THAN 1 YEAR AFTER OBTAINMENT DATE.
I also uploaded employment contract.

So yesterday I read this post and early in the morning I scrambled right away and got new job offer from our HR Manager specifically for Express Entry where it states the employer is offering FULL TIME, PERMANENT JOB ONCE IMMIGRATION CANADA HAS GRANTED YOU PERMANENT RESIDENCE.

In order to strengthen my app even more I have submitted CSE this morning to CIC.

I believe IMM Officer will be satisfied with Permanent position in Employment Contract but did not want to take any chances.

What do you guys think? Will he be satisfied with Employment Contract or I ve did right move with new job offer and CSE?

This is my 3rd CSE since I submitted my App.
1st CSE: Upload FBI Police Cert. Aug
2nd CSE: Upload CRO Police Cert. Sep
3rd CSE: Upload new job offer. Oct

It took them between 4-6 days to send me confirmation CIC attached supporting documents to my app. Hopefully CIC will do the same with this CSE before Officer looks at my app.

Please comment and cheers! :)
 

jamason

Hero Member
Feb 15, 2015
347
9
Category........
NOC Code......
2174
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
27-04-2015
AOR Received.
01-07-2015
IELTS Request
14-07-2015
Passport Req..
24-12-2015
LANDED..........
12-01-2016
Initially I attached job offer letter that stated that my company is offering me full time. Then I did a CSE on Sep 11th, and sent a job letter stating that my company is offering my non-seasonal, full-time permanent position.

Now, do I need to include statement that " subject to you obtaining permanent residence status in Canada"? Is it mandatory? Please help.
 

BaileyAB

Star Member
Jul 9, 2015
97
5
124
Edmonton, AB
Category........
CEC
Visa Office......
CPC-Ottawa
NOC Code......
6311
Job Offer........
Yes
App. Filed.......
June 15, 2015
Doc's Request.
Not at all
Nomination.....
Express Entry FSW
AOR Received.
June 15, 2015
IELTS Request
No
Med's Request
No
Med's Done....
June 3rd, 2015
jamason said:
Initially I attached job offer letter that stated that my company is offering me full time. Then I did a CSE on Sep 11th, and sent a job letter stating that my company is offering my non-seasonal, full-time permanent position.

Now, do I need to include statement that " subject to you obtaining permanent residence status in Canada"? Is it mandatory? Please help.
I would advise u too do that. No harm done but can be helpful.
 

thanuxxi

Hero Member
Jan 5, 2014
316
6
Category........
NOC Code......
3142
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-10-2015
Doc's Request.
23-11-2015
AOR Received.
28-10-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016
Please help... after reading through this post, I am somehow concerned about my situation: I am applying for PR with LMIA to support. The job offer submitted for the LMIA process did not have the “non-seasonal” wording on it, so I asked my employer to provide me with a new letter with that included.

This is the current letter I have (again, the previous did not mention “non-seasonal”, only full time and permanent).

Dear xxxx:
Congratulations! I am pleased to offer you permanent, non-seasonal, full-time employment in the position of Physiotherapist (NOC 3142) with xxxxxx. This offer is conditional on the approval of a Labour Market Impact Assessment and proper eligibility for employment in Canada.

Would those 2 different letters be a problem when applying?
Is the part mentioning the conditions (approval of LMIA, bla bla bla) good enough?

Any thoughts would be really appreciated
 

thanuxxi

Hero Member
Jan 5, 2014
316
6
Category........
NOC Code......
3142
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-10-2015
Doc's Request.
23-11-2015
AOR Received.
28-10-2015
Passport Req..
05-04-2016

BaileyAB

Star Member
Jul 9, 2015
97
5
124
Edmonton, AB
Category........
CEC
Visa Office......
CPC-Ottawa
NOC Code......
6311
Job Offer........
Yes
App. Filed.......
June 15, 2015
Doc's Request.
Not at all
Nomination.....
Express Entry FSW
AOR Received.
June 15, 2015
IELTS Request
No
Med's Request
No
Med's Done....
June 3rd, 2015
thanuxxi said:
Please help... after reading through this post, I am somehow concerned about my situation: I am applying for PR with LMIA to support. The job offer submitted for the LMIA process did not have the “non-seasonal” wording on it, so I asked my employer to provide me with a new letter with that included.

This is the current letter I have (again, the previous did not mention “non-seasonal”, only full time and permanent).

Dear xxxx:
Congratulations! I am pleased to offer you permanent, non-seasonal, full-time employment in the position of Physiotherapist (NOC 3142) with xxxxxx. This offer is conditional on the approval of a Labour Market Impact Assessment and proper eligibility for employment in Canada.

Would those 2 different letters be a problem when applying?
Is the part mentioning the conditions (approval of LMIA, bla bla bla) good enough?

Any thoughts would be really appreciated
To cover everything I would suggest to change last sentence into "This offer is conditional on the approval of a Labour Market Impact Assessment, proper eligibility for employment in Canada and towards your permanent residence process."

Now you have all the key words: permanent, non seasonal, fulll time, permanent residence.

Cheers.
 

ledaaa

Newbie
Oct 15, 2015
1
0
Hi, how are you
I'm totally frustrated because my visa was denied. I do not understand very well the reasons. My boyfriend is from ontario and helped me in the process, with all'm Brazilian study documents only do college have no income but he said iri all costs until the air ticket. the visa is only tourism for 2 months.


pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase someone can help me ? iiii would be thankful very much