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FSWP Rejected! Need help to re-apply

privetdrive

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Hey everyone,

I applied for PR through Express Entry in November 2015, and everything was going really well according to the timelines I've seen here. I was even asked to pay the RFPR fee just last week which got my hopes up, then 2 days ago my application gets "Refused" (huge bummer), and the refusal letter mentions the following reason: I included 2 co-op work terms in my work history, which apparently I shouldn't have done because they don't count coops (they consider them part of my education). Without those 8 months of coop, I had less than 1 year of experience in Canada according to the agent.

However, this was only true 6 months ago when I first applied. By now, I already accumulated a full year of post-graduate work (full-time), so that's no issue anymore. I created a new Express Entry profile, and by only including work I've done post-graduation, I have a total of 441 points. Obviously that's not enough. Although, I have a chance to increase those points above 500 (I used the calculator CIC provides) if I add a one year long -paid- internship I did in the U.S. after my third year of university. Given that the U.S. technically doesn't have "co-op", and the agent didn't mention it in the refusal letter (he/she only mentioned my 2 Canadian co-ops), do you guys think I should add it? It will definitely boost my points to help me make the next draw if I do that. At the same time, I'm not sure if they count paid internships abroad as work experience (in comparison with co-op in Canada). I'm assuming the agent based his/her decision on the employment letters I got from my previous employers: the Canadian letters clearly said I was a "co-op", while the U.S. letter said I was an "intern in an International Internship Program".

Any help/advice from someone who dealt with that before, or knows anything about it would be great! Thanks.
 

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US Co-Op's can be used to accumulate points for FSW. All the experience in canada while you were enrolled in the school cannot be used to accumulate points towards CEC.
 

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http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=394&top=29
 

privetdrive

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sachinsoman1988 said:
US Co-Op's can be used to accumulate points for FSW. All the experience in canada while you were enrolled in the school cannot be used to accumulate points towards CEC.
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Thanks for that, I just wish I had seen the link before applying the first time. While this explains that I shouldn't be including my Canadian co-ops, there's no mention of the internship I did in the U.S. (which was technically before I graduated by the way). May I ask how you know that I can include my U.S. internship? I just want to be 100% sure before applying again. Thanks again for the help.
 

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Canadian experience gained when you were a student in Canada cannot be counted. Now, American experience gained while you were a student in Canada 'may' be counted. Its a grey area.
 

privetdrive

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sachinsoman1988 said:
Canadian experience gained when you were a student in Canada cannot be counted. Now, American experience gained while you were a student in Canada 'may' be counted. Its a grey area.
I see. You're right it seems to be a gray area, as I can't seem to find a straight answer for this specific case. I called CIC but the agent didn't know how to answer me and forwarded me to their case-specific enquiry web form. So I just wrote to them, hoping they'll reply sometime soon (they always take forever).
 

raj_bond

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privetdrive said:
Hey everyone,

I applied for PR through Express Entry in November 2015, and everything was going really well according to the timelines I've seen here. I was even asked to pay the RFPR fee just last week which got my hopes up, then 2 days ago my application gets "Refused" (huge bummer), and the refusal letter mentions the following reason: I included 2 co-op work terms in my work history, which apparently I shouldn't have done because they don't count coops (they consider them part of my education). Without those 8 months of coop, I had less than 1 year of experience in Canada according to the agent.

However, this was only true 6 months ago when I first applied. By now, I already accumulated a full year of post-graduate work (full-time), so that's no issue anymore. I created a new Express Entry profile, and by only including work I've done post-graduation, I have a total of 441 points. Obviously that's not enough. Although, I have a chance to increase those points above 500 (I used the calculator CIC provides) if I add a one year long -paid- internship I did in the U.S. after my third year of university. Given that the U.S. technically doesn't have "co-op", and the agent didn't mention it in the refusal letter (he/she only mentioned my 2 Canadian co-ops), do you guys think I should add it? It will definitely boost my points to help me make the next draw if I do that. At the same time, I'm not sure if they count paid internships abroad as work experience (in comparison with co-op in Canada). I'm assuming the agent based his/her decision on the employment letters I got from my previous employers: the Canadian letters clearly said I was a "co-op", while the U.S. letter said I was an "intern in an International Internship Program".

Any help/advice from someone who dealt with that before, or knows anything about it would be great! Thanks.

Don't Worry brother, this time you have 1-year full time work experience. I will suggest to convince your employer for applying a LMIA for you. Just make a little bit push in the HR, if they say about cost, tell them you will bear the whole cost of application for LMIA. If you get a positive LMIA, it will solve your point shortage problem right away.

Thanks
Raj
 

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raj_bond said:
Don't Worry brother, this time you have 1-year full time work experience. I will suggest to convince your employer for applying a LMIA for you. Just make a little bit push in the HR, if they say about cost, tell them you will bear the whole cost of application for LMIA. If you get a positive LMIA, it will solve your point shortage problem right away.

Thanks
Raj
I'll just point out that it is explicitly stated in the application forms (several times) that you cannot bear the cost of the LMIA process - it must be the employer. If they were audited and you were found out, it would not be good for you or your employer.
 

privetdrive

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raj_bond said:
Don't Worry brother, this time you have 1-year full time work experience. I will suggest to convince your employer for applying a LMIA for you. Just make a little bit push in the HR, if they say about cost, tell them you will bear the whole cost of application for LMIA. If you get a positive LMIA, it will solve your point shortage problem right away.

Thanks
Raj
Hey Raj. I thought about going through an LMIA, but from what I read it seems to be a bit complicated when I already have a job (which is my case). From what I understand, they'd have to post a new entry in the job bank, and pretend like nobody other than me applied, and they really think they needed a foreigner for the job. And after that, the LMIA needs to be approved, which doesn't always happen. Just seems like a "hack-ish" process, don't you think? Let me know if I misunderstood how the process works.
It just seems much simpler if I can add my internship and get the points without all this headache. I just can't seem to get a source that would confirm if I can add it or not.
 

rollercoaster

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privetdrive said:
Hey everyone,

I applied for PR through Express Entry in November 2015, and everything was going really well according to the timelines I've seen here. I was even asked to pay the RFPR fee just last week which got my hopes up, then 2 days ago my application gets "Refused" (huge bummer), and the refusal letter mentions the following reason: I included 2 co-op work terms in my work history, which apparently I shouldn't have done because they don't count coops (they consider them part of my education). Without those 8 months of coop, I had less than 1 year of experience in Canada according to the agent.

However, this was only true 6 months ago when I first applied. By now, I already accumulated a full year of post-graduate work (full-time), so that's no issue anymore. I created a new Express Entry profile, and by only including work I've done post-graduation, I have a total of 441 points. Obviously that's not enough. Although, I have a chance to increase those points above 500 (I used the calculator CIC provides) if I add a one year long -paid- internship I did in the U.S. after my third year of university. Given that the U.S. technically doesn't have "co-op", and the agent didn't mention it in the refusal letter (he/she only mentioned my 2 Canadian co-ops), do you guys think I should add it? It will definitely boost my points to help me make the next draw if I do that. At the same time, I'm not sure if they count paid internships abroad as work experience (in comparison with co-op in Canada). I'm assuming the agent based his/her decision on the employment letters I got from my previous employers: the Canadian letters clearly said I was a "co-op", while the U.S. letter said I was an "intern in an International Internship Program".

Any help/advice from someone who dealt with that before, or knows anything about it would be great! Thanks.
Do you have work experience before masters?

I guess you can include that as well?

I am also planning to get US Masters and then immediately apply under FSW as I already have 5 yrs work exp before masters
 

privetdrive

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rollercoaster said:
Do you have work experience before masters?

I guess you can include that as well?

I am also planning to get US Masters and then immediately apply under FSW as I already have 5 yrs work exp before masters
I only did a bachelor, and I am currently working in Canada. Not planning to do a Masters.
You seem set though, good luck with your application!
 

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I only did a bachelor, and I am currently working in Canada. Not planning to do a Masters.
You seem set though, good luck with your application!
hey PrivetDrive...sorry to hear your rejection...what date was your AOR and were you PNP/LMIA?? or just the CEC applicant?
 

privetdrive

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harshmaru said:
hey PrivetDrive...sorry to hear your rejection...what date was your AOR and were you PNP/LMIA?? or just the CEC applicant?
Hey harshmaru. Yeah it's really frustrating, especially that I had received a letter just a few days before telling me I was found eligible, and should pay the RFPR fee, which seems to be the last step before the Passport request :( :(
My AOR was November 7th 2015. No LMIA (I'm currently working in Canada as a post-graduate). I did receive a letter of interest to apply for PNP in Ontario, but I didn't go for it because I had enough points (or thought I did lol) - 479. And it was actually through FSW not CEC (not sure why the system picked that automatically).
 

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privetdrive said:
Hey harshmaru. Yeah it's really frustrating, especially that I had received a letter just a few days before telling me I was found eligible, and should pay the RFPR fee, which seems to be the last step before the Passport request :( :(
My AOR was November 7th 2015. No LMIA (I'm currently working in Canada as a post-graduate). I did receive a letter of interest to apply for PNP in Ontario, but I didn't go for it because I had enough points (or thought I did lol) - 479. And it was actually through FSW not CEC (not sure why the system picked that automatically).
I still believe its an error. CIC Q&A clearly says u cannot count experience when enrolled as a student for CEC..Nothing in FSW!!
 

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privetdrive said:
Hey harshmaru. Yeah it's really frustrating, especially that I had received a letter just a few days before telling me I was found eligible, and should pay the RFPR fee, which seems to be the last step before the Passport request :( :(
My AOR was November 7th 2015. No LMIA (I'm currently working in Canada as a post-graduate). I did receive a letter of interest to apply for PNP in Ontario, but I didn't go for it because I had enough points (or thought I did lol) - 479. And it was actually through FSW not CEC (not sure why the system picked that automatically).
Did u enter the available funds as $0 in your application?? If you do this, u will be evaluated in CEC.