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[SuCan17]

@mushymush has zero source and, to be frank, is mostly negative. He/she is/was the one saying IRCC might cancel in progress applications only a few weeks ago!

LOL

 

[dankboi]

FSW- Outland; No dependents
Nationality- Russia
AOR- December 2019
PPR- November 15 2021

 

[Islander216]

From that perspective, the question becomes: if the Conservatives suddenly changed their stance in immigration would have they garnered more votes? Though given that most of them are in agreement with the Liberals in terms of the quantity of immigrants being accepted, I feel that they'd probably keep the pro-immigration stance for the time being.

They're politicians, they will adjust their platform according to what has popular support. And with a lot of people losing their jobs and the economic downturn, it's easy to make the case that this is not the time to be accepting a record number of immigrants.

I doubt most conservatives are for this very high intake at the moment. I think they could easily reduce it to 150-200k and say it makes sense to voters.

I have a question, why are we discussing about Canada politics?Did jt again called election or something again?I am serious not joking.

There's nothing else to discuss lol.

But anyhow, i don't want to discourage anyone inadvertently, and in any case this is not for probably another 3 or 4 years.

 

[GandiBaat]

And anyone who comes to Canada as a grad student on their own dime is a fool who's only looking to waste their money on a useless Canadian degree (since nobody gives a shit about most Canadian degrees). Basically anyone who comes to Canada as a grad student is a fool.

Sweeping generalizations. You decide your grad-school for masters based on its reputation and for phd based on your guide's reputation. Above all you should have a good reason to attend grad school. My cousin did her Phd at U Toronto and part of her work was done in Hinton's lab. Today she is a senior applied scientist at Amazon and her income is north of 300K a year. There was no waste of money at all.

Mostly, the people whose money gets wasted in Grad School are those who did not have a good reason to attend it in the first place and are bidding their time and looking grad school as a way for something else -- most access to job market. Surely, if thats you plan then it will take much longer to break even on your expenses. These people are not fool but they are using grad studies to escape their country. I will call grad school and cost that comes with it as price of escaping their countries.

To say that nobody gives shit about most Canadian degrees is more of an emotional statement and less of reality. To be honest, employers hire people who can do the job for the price they are willing to pay. I know because I am usually a part of hiring team for my employer. Degree gets your foot into your first job usually. Afterwards your own merit and merit of your experience and how well you are networked open the door (or not).

Canadian degree are more than good enough to get your foot into most of disciplines.

PS : I do not have ANY Canadian degree.

 

[PRANIT01]

They're politicians, they will adjust their platform according to what has popular support. And with a lot of people losing their jobs and the economic downturn, it's easy to make the case that this is not the time to be accepting a record number of immigrants.

I doubt most conservatives are for this very high intake at the moment. I think they could easily reduce it to 150-200k and say it makes sense to voters.



There's nothing else to discuss lol.

But anyhow, i don't want to discourage anyone inadvertently, and in any case this is not for probably another 3 or 4 years.

Okay ,when you guys suddenly started discussing politics, I thought some thing is up.Thank you

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Sweeping generalizations. You decide your grad-school for masters based on its reputation and for phd based on your guide's reputation. Above all you should have a good reason to attend grad school. My cousin did her Phd at U Toronto and part of her work was done in Hinton's lab. Today she is a senior applied scientist at Amazon and her income is north of 300K a year. There was no waste of money at all.

Mostly, the people whose money gets wasted in Grad School are those who did not have a good reason to attend it in the first place and are bidding their time and looking grad school as a way for something else -- most access to job market. Surely, if thats you plan then it will take much longer to break even on your expenses. These people are not fool but they are using grad studies to escape their country. I will call grad school and cost that comes with it as price of escaping their countries.

To say that nobody gives shit about most Canadian degrees is more of an emotional statement and less of reality. To be honest, employers hire people who can do the job for the price they are willing to pay. I know because I am usually a part of hiring team for my employer. Degree gets your foot into your first job usually. Afterwards your own merit and merit of your experience and how well you are networked open the door (or not).

Canadian degree are more than good enough to get your foot into most of disciplines.

PS : I do not have ANY Canadian degree.

As a Canadian graduate degree holder, I do wonder why Canadian degrees are so highly esteemed, yet they are. In terms of potential, you can get into any job with a Canadian degree, so if you don't, then it's because of your incompetence or lack of self-confidence.

 

[EscoBlades]

Because he is a bigoted idiot

Fixed that for you.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

As a Canadian graduate degree holder, I do wonder why Canadian degrees are so highly esteemed, yet they are. In terms of potential, you can get into any job with a Canadian degree, so if you don't, then it's because of your incompetence or lack of self-confidence.

World Bank, UN, Big 4, Big 3 consulting... I have seen it all. I don't know why this guy is complaining so much.

 

[EscoBlades]

World Bank, UN, Big 4, Big 3 consulting... I have seen it all. I don't know why this guy is complaining so much.

If we are being objective, Degrees from most, if not all, of the G7 countries are held in high regard, with those from the UK, US, and Canada usually at the top of the pecking order. And that is mainly down to those countries having internationally recognized universities (Ivyleage, Oxbridge, etc) with rigorous and accredited syllabi, and a number of world renowned alumni.

 

[Ikepo8]

Hi guys, I created a thread to follow up on folks who have received remedicals but are yet to get a PPR. Please check the thread and out and share your status if you are under this category.

https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/waiting-for-ppr-after-remedicals-requested-and-passed.749847/

 

[GandiBaat]

My lab mates and I are kinda on the better end of the grad student pay in BC. There are some very slight variations but let's average them to $1800 / month. You gotta put aside about $700 / mo to pay the next instalment of your tuition. $75 / mo is mandatory for government insurance thingy. So you're essentially getting paid $1025/ mo.

All you can do with this kind of money is rent a single room in a shared house where you probably have 5+ other tenants to share the kitchen and bathroom(s) with. I can't even begin to discuss how shitty of a situation house sharing is for an adult, but that's for another talk. An okay room in an okay house that's not a complete dump is about $800 / mo. --> $225 left

Your phone bill is probably $50 something but I'll cheat and say you're paying $25 / mo for phone. --> $200 left

Your shampoo, soap, tooth paste, deodorant and various other hygiene expenses will be about $100 / mo actually but let's assume you're a stinky piece of shit and get away with $50 / mo spending on hygiene. --> $150 left

Feeling hungry? You haven't spent on food yet. Eating properly at home like a human and not like a rat usually costs about $250 / mo, but you don't have that kind of money. See? As a grad student you don't get to eat as much as you like, but as much as $150 / mo allows you and that means you are never trully full after a meal and have to count your bites and embrace the stress inbetween those bites.

Oh you wanted to have a social life in Canada? Go to bars? Events? Pick up a hobby? Do something with friends? Maybe buy new clothes? Electronics? Just stuff you need? Dude you're barely not starving; you cannot have a social life, hobbies, or any sort of entertainment in Canada as a grad student.

"Kangaroo I can work as a teaching assistant and make life a bit easier how about that?" Yes you can. I'll do the math for you. For TAs, 1 standard course with standard hours and standard pay gets you $200 / mo if you divide it by 12 (all months of that year). So now add that $200 to the last $150 / mo you had in your pocket after spending on hygiene; you have $350 / mo if you TA once every single year. With $350 / mo, you can afford to eat okay for $250 and have $100 left for social life, hobbies, entertainment. Now you're at least not starving but $100 is not enough for social life. A typical Saturday night out at the local bar is $25 if you wanna go cheap and 2-3 student beers and leave. So all social life you get is you go out to the local bar once a week and drink 3 glasses of that piss called student beer (lager with a lot of water in it). I personally put down 3 glasses in an hour or two; so your "night out" is limited to 2 hours unless people are buying you drinks (lol). So forget about dating, events, hobbies, just keep drinking that piss at the local bar once a week and go back home half tipsy (trust me it has a lot of water in it) at fucking 10 PM (you went out at 8 and have only 2 hours in the bar).

This story ignores so many unexpected, unforeseen expenses, especially unexpected medical expenses.

I could go on and give more details but yeah that's the idea.

My wife is doing a Phd in BC so I can possibly give you my figures.

1. Her tuition (fee + insurance + bus pass + campus facilities) is : $10.5K per year ( 3500 per term; 3 terms a year)
2. She is living with me so she does not avail university housing but she can get a dorm for about 10 K per term or 30K per year. This INCLUDES meals too in her university.

Her Phd is funded so that means she gets a grant of 25K per year. There are jobs on campus that she can do and her friends are earning north of 2500 per month, part time. She is not availing them right now and instead prefers to spend time with our kid. If she had availed it, it would have amounted to about 30K more (before tax) or about 25K in hand. That brings the total to CDN 50K.

I think that would have left her with 5K-10K more in hand than her expenses. Enough for clothes, toiletries etc. Most of her books are online and available in library. I think 1K can also be put for books too.

BTW, NONE of the above include any contribution from a spouse working on SOWP. If you have that, its additional income. At 25 year old, some folks are also married.

As a Canadian graduate degree holder, I do wonder why Canadian degrees are so highly esteemed, yet they are. In terms of potential, you can get into any job with a Canadian degree, so if you don't, then it's because of your incompetence or lack of self-confidence.

In my humble and possible wrong opinion, there is very little value or esteem associated with any degrees any more. Employers are smart enough to sift those who can do the job for the price they want to pay... Surely, some degree get you earlier in the queue but thats all about it.

There are very few "degree esteem" jobs. I think some investment banks or private equity are those.

 

[Islander216]

Fixed that for you.

You're not wrong, actually i always liked Bernier so i was disappointed when he took the far right turn.

I seriously doubt Canada would ever agree to such an agreement in terms of immigration. Most Canadians are against open borders and Quebec, specifically, would be strongly against it. Also, from what I know, most Canadians, barely have any interest in moving permanently to countries like the UK, Australia and New Zealand because they are pretty far away. For most Canadians who have interest in settling abroad, the US will always be the number one choice since it's right across the border.

I actually think the reason Canada would never join is because they would end up losing a lot of immigrants to the other countries, and as you said most Canadians would not be interested in moving elsewhere.

 

[Windsor37]

They're politicians, they will adjust their platform according to what has popular support. And with a lot of people losing their jobs and the economic downturn, it's easy to make the case that this is not the time to be accepting a record number of immigrants.

I doubt most conservatives are for this very high intake at the moment. I think they could easily reduce it to 150-200k and say it makes sense to voters.

But most conservatives are, 54% of them feel that the immigration level is adequate. While that is lower than Liberals (75%), Bloc (70%), and NDP (81%), 54% is still a majority. In addition 80% of Canadians, in general, believe it has a positive economic impact.

https://www.cicnews.com/2021/11/canadians-remain-largely-supportive-of-immigration-new-survey-finds-1119585.html

By the way, PPC is anti-immigration, but they're still promoting a 150K immigrant target down from 401K that the Liberals are targeting.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

@mushymush has zero source and, to be frank, is mostly negative. He/she is/was the one saying IRCC might cancel in progress applications only a few weeks ago!

No, I lilterally never said IRCC will cancel in progress apps. I have maintained that they will be processed and there is no risk of being cancelled (despite Quebec setting the precedent). You can lie all you want but I suppose that's what you'd have to do to make a point because you have no ground to stand on.

Regarding the date, I have said this before. We all agree there won't be a draw for the rest of 2021. And the assumption is that this is to reduce the backlog. Some one else here did some basic calculations and decided that the current backlog can be cleared by April. With that in mind, it's best for pre ITA people to not expect a draw until the end of Q1 2022. If there is on prior to that, great. But it is prudent to not assume that.

@SuCan17 there you go. Just because you people have no ability to do your due diligence, you decide it's better to attack someone else's opinion. Pathetic lot lmao

 

[Islander216]

I seriously doubt Canada would ever agree to such an agreement in terms of immigration. Most Canadians are against open borders and Quebec, specifically, would be strongly against it. Also, from what I know, most Canadians, barely have any interest in moving permanently to countries like the UK, Australia and New Zealand because they are pretty far away. For most Canadians who have interest in settling abroad, the US will always be the number one choice since it's right across the border.

But most conservatives are, 54% of them feel that the immigration level is adequate. While that is lower than Liberals (75%), Bloc (70%), and NDP (81%), 54% is still a majority. In addition 80% of Canadians, in general, believe it has a positive economic impact.

https://www.cicnews.com/2021/11/canadians-remain-largely-supportive-of-immigration-new-survey-finds-1119585.html

By the way, PPC is anti-immigration, but they're still promoting a 150K immigrant target down from 401K that the Liberals are targeting.

Yeah but polls change quickly, and that's just over half, and that doesn't mean that there won't be lower favourability among other political groups too in the future.

I don't think immigration to Canada will ever dip below 150k, but obviously that's a big difference from almost 400k now.

I don't think immigration will ever fall out of favour completely, but the likelihood that people will want to have immigration numbers reduced is certainly possible.

Also with polls you can always find one which says different things, this is a poll which states the opposite for example:
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/06/28/canada-immigration-target-poll/