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[Psyoptica]

My only question to PP would be if he can prove there's an actual red tape as that's being challenged by JT's team.

r/CH2 is just a bunch of losers with mediocre jobs and no life. They think everything bad in their life is happening either because of Indians or international students. The later does impact housing costs a bit, but blaming them for everything is just immature. Since they are too much of a coward and can't hold greedy Canadians owning majority of the real estate or even their own govt accountable, they just hate the easy to target groups. Most Canadians don't share the same views as r/CH2 tbh. They(Canadians minus r/CH2) understand that were are all in this because of the govt's mess.

So far, despite all the dumb negativity and hate, we should look at stats from Canadian govt on how well we(PRs) did in 2022: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/express-entry-publications/summary-2022.html At the end, price sensitivity isn't everything. By their own account(Canadian govt), we outperform most Canadians economically.

If they continue to hate based on pseudo-standards that shouldn't matter to them(clothing, smelly, accent, color, cooking, etc), good immigrants will leave as we have options. Bad immigrants will stay. They will exactly be left with the ones they hate the most and the ones that are going to really bother them. That's why blanket hate is a very very dumb idea. Reality is they(r/CH2) like capitalism when it favours them, but they don't like it when it hurts. They simply haven't learned anything yet.

I'm not sure why people get so emotional over sentiments of some random chat forum on the internet. When people don't have their voices heard, they use different avenues to vent, CH2 being one of them.
Also with regards to majority Canadians not having an issue with immigration is false. CH2 maybe a bit xenophobic towards current generation of Indian migrants but you go to any platform, ask any Canadian, most do not support the existing immigration policy. Housing crisis has multiple contributing factors and immigration is most definitely is one of them. I know a lot of young Canadians born and raised here who's parents have contributed to the economy their whole life by paying taxes and these young folks are struggling to find a job due to the sheer number of immigrants (mostly Indians) lining up for entry level jobs. These guys are competing with hundreds and thousands of other immigrants in a country that is already stretched thin for it's resources and the government just keeps increasing the numbers. Indians are sometimes targeted also because the culture also has an indirect impact in exacerbating the issues with Canada. For instance most Indians want their parents, grand parents and extended families to move here with them who ultimately end up using Canadian social services without contributing much.
Why aren't there immigrant construction workers? If people wanna buy houses, there should be a small fraction of them who should be willing to build it as well. There are just not enough house builders and the infrastruction to support immigration is terrible.
I'm not against immigration as it does not impact me but I completely understand the sentiments from Canadian citizens shared online.

 

[GandiBaat]

He lying. His wife said " No way, Jose" .

LOL that was a reason too.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

This. There’s no way India can ever become a developed country unless the fundamentals behind its economy change. The biggest difference between a country like the US and India, is the strength of its research base. India’s expenditure on R & D and education is extremely poor compared to the US and other developed countries. In fact, I believe that ISRO is probably one of the few organisations that is adequately funded in India. Establishing ISRO is one of the best decisions India has ever made. The biggest reason the US was able to become an economic superpower is because it’s able to commercialise its cutting edge research and take advantage of its immense internal market. India is not even comparable to China in that regard because China has some great institutions. As of now, India runs like a branch plant economy for American and European MNCs. They view us Indians as cheap labour. The upside of this is that it creates jobs but the downside is that it’s not a sustainable way of running an economy. Those MNCs are only looking to cut costs and if they find a cheaper alternative to India, they would close up shop immediately. To bring about change and create well paying jobs, Indian businesses must be cutting edge and competitive globally and the best minds must stay back in India. Unfortunately, this is not the case.


It’s not immigration per se but the scale of immigration and the speed. Canada doesn’t have the capacity to accept 2.5% of its population every year. I’m pretty sure this screw up happened because the Canadian government underestimated the amount of temporary migrants and international students within Canada. They’re going to get destroyed in the following elections for the problems they caused. The sheer amount of these folks has exacerbated existing issues within Canada. No amount of building is going to solve the fact that Canada cannot accept these many people every yea without collapsing existing infrastructure and the entire social fabric of Canada. Housing is only one aspect. They also have to look at healthcare, schools, public transport etc. Mass immigration of this kind has never been successful in any country, why the hell would it be successful in Canada? The biggest examples are Germany and Sweden. Both those countries have publicly admitted that they screwed up really bad on immigration and are now trying to reverse course. As per the latest polls, Canadians are already against more immigration and if the federal government continues to ignore these sentiments, you’re going to see the PPC make gains in the following elections. I would hate for that to happen since they have some really nasty elements in the party.

Mass immigration has been successful in the long term though(Irish in US, Ukrainians in Canada, etc). Fixing things through mass immigration has a communication problem - Canadian govt has to say that it will take time and things will be a little difficult for a while.

I'm not sure why people get so emotional over sentiments of some random chat forum on the internet. When people don't have their voices heard, they use different avenues to vent, CH2 being one of them.
Also with regards to majority Canadians not having an issue with immigration is false. CH2 maybe a bit xenophobic towards current generation of Indian migrants but you go to any platform, ask any Canadian, most do not support the existing immigration policy. Housing crisis has multiple contributing factors and immigration is most definitely is one of them. I know a lot of young Canadians born and raised here who's parents have contributed to the economy their whole life by paying taxes and these young folks are struggling to find a job due to the sheer number of immigrants (mostly Indians) lining up for entry level jobs. These guys are competing with hundreds and thousands of other immigrants in a country that is already stretched thin for it's resources and the government just keeps increasing the numbers. Indians are sometimes targeted also because the culture also has an indirect impact in exacerbating the issues with Canada. For instance most Indians want their parents, grand parents and extended families to move here with them who ultimately end up using Canadian social services without contributing much.
Why aren't there immigrant construction workers? If people wanna buy houses, there should be a small fraction of them who should be willing to build it as well. There are just not enough house builders and the infrastruction to support immigration is terrible.
I'm not against immigration as it does not impact me but I completely understand the sentiments from Canadian citizens shared online.

I think the general consensus is that Canada brought in a lot of people and this isn't sustainable in the short term - I don't think any of us can debate that. But when they start bullying a grandma visiting her grand kids who made a very tiny mistake(unknowingly) of crossing the road when she wasn't supposed to(instead of helping her!!!) - something is wrong with them. No matter how much they are suffering, no reason to take photos and videos of an old grandma making mistakes(that any senior citizen can) to bully her online. This is an increasing trend that concerns people who are trying to see if they can call this country their forever home.

We all go through tough situations in life, we get salty, and we feel there's no escape - but mature people don't take it out on people who personally aren't responsible for anything. Just because someone is vulnerable, why shit on them? This will force more and more immigrants will be forced to live within their own communities as there's no point in facing unnecessary hate from a loser. And at this point in Canada, almost everyone knows that Canadian institutions and govt screwed them up - immigrants didn't do anything.

Fwiw, things are so so bad that even r/CH2 mods are done with this hate now and are actively restricting these hateful posts under a specific thread as even they have had enough.

I know it sucks for all of us, but this hate has no justification.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Mass immigration has been successful in the long term though(Irish in US, Ukrainians in Canada, etc). Fixing things through mass immigration has a communication problem - Canadian govt has to say that it will take time and things will be a little difficult for a while.



I think the general consensus is that Canada brought in a lot of people and this isn't sustainable in the short term - I don't think any of us can debate that. But when they start bullying a grandma visiting her grand kids who made a very tiny mistake(unknowingly) of crossing the road when she wasn't supposed to(instead of helping her!!!) - something is wrong with them. No matter how much they are suffering, no reason to take photos and videos of an old grandma making mistakes(that any senior citizen can) to bully her online. This is an increasing trend that concerns people who are trying to see if they can call this country their forever home.

We all go through tough situations in life, we get salty, and we feel there's no escape - but mature people don't take it out on people who personally aren't responsible for anything. Just because someone is vulnerable, why shit on them? This will force more and more immigrants will be forced to live within their own communities as there's no point in facing unnecessary hate from a loser. And at this point in Canada, almost everyone knows that Canadian institutions and govt screwed them up - immigrants didn't do anything.

Fwiw, things are so so bad that even r/CH2 mods are done with this hate now and are actively restricting these hateful posts under a specific thread as even they have had enough.

I know it sucks for all of us, but this hate has no justification.

When you are doing well or making enough, people don't care but when you are struggling to make ends meet or pay bills, people won't care about decency or political correctness. They will let their feelings out. They wont care about being mature or not when you don't have food on the table. We are heading towards a crisis and I don't see any solutions being implemented.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

When you are doing well or making enough, people don't care but when you are struggling to make ends meet or pay bills, people won't care about decency or political correctness. They will let their feelings out. They wont care about being mature or not when you don't have food on the table. We are heading towards a crisis and I don't see any solutions being implemented.

The last part about "I don't see any solutions being implemented" is right. I've not seen PP talk about caps or rightful levels of immigration. It is all talk about building more housing which sounds good on paper, but can easily fail during execution. So many people have faith that conservatives will put a hard stop to excessive immigration once they are in place - we will see in 2024 though.

About the rest, I don't know, but I think this "third world" behavior of cloaking bigotry under "I'm suffering" is a plain disgrace to a first world country. If things are hurting them so much, why not do the most basic thing that a first world democracy allows them to do - Protest! It does feel like they are simply born in a first world could but act very similarly to their "third world" counterparts. I guess it is what it is. Living in Canada for most immigrants of color would now require steering clear of these losers.

 

[Lord_Tony]

LOL, not Duterte please no, Trump looks more reasonable compared to him, he maybe fair in local policies but he's absolute garbage in foreign relations especially during the POGO era where he virtually gave the Chinese free working VISAs, they caused Philippine property and rental prices to go sky high and out of reach for most Filipinos (I know I was there, and it was so hard to find a place). If there was one thing that COVID done good to the PH, is that it got rid of these Chinese POGOs, and kept them out. Duterte sucked up to Xi so bad and in the end, the Philippines got nothing out of it.

yayaya I hear you, I was comparing him to JT and uncle joe who get nothing done.

 

[GandiBaat]

The last part about "I don't see any solutions being implemented" is right. I've not seen PP talk about caps or rightful levels of immigration. It is all talk about building more housing which sounds good on paper, but can easily fail during execution. So many people have faith that conservatives will put a hard stop to excessive immigration once they are in place - we will see in 2024 though.

Basically, Canada suffers from a massive policy and implementation paralysis. The express entry system that we are using right now / have used actually came out of conservative government. In past, things were even more fucked up as far as processing of immigration apps were concerned.

Same is true with housing, these folks have massive amount of land in very habitable parts of their country. They JUST DO NOT WANT to build houses and only give excuses.

 

[GandiBaat]

My understanding is even as a economy if India becomes the third or second largest global GDP in 2050 AD or whenever their time comes. Only the top 10% of their population will supposedly benefit. The rich become richer and the poor and folks who live within a dollar a day expenses, might still keep struggling with creeping cost of living and other needs etc in 2050. The distribution of wealth in India is right now very poor and they will find that scenario challenging, wont become any better unless they get a dictator or have a revolution like China. The curse of being a democracy, needs collective decision making.

India, believe it or not is a socialist country at its core. Indian government indeed feeds a lot of poor people through subsidized and sometimes free commodities. A lot of people fall through the cracks in the system and YES there is a massive corruption, but a massive majority is actually served and are saved from starvation. Especially in rural parts of India

So, "living on a dollar a day" is rather a weird kind of metric in India's case because for poors, its not always the dollar they are earning that feeds them. Better metrics are direct measurement of social welfare metrics (life expectency, IMR, child stunting, access to sanitation, vaccination %age, schooling years, literacy rate etc) and consumption (number of good purchased of various kind, number of commodities purchased) as they reflect the true status of India.

They have been making a steady progress (if slowly). So yeah, in 10-20 years poors of India will still be poor in terms of dollars earned --perhaps-- but much less of them will be dying in childbirth, they will be living longer, they will be more educated, they will be less likely to suffer from childhood stunting and so on. And yes, India will be a vast ocean of poverty with small islands of prosperity. It will drag it self into upper middle income country eventually with massive difference between haves and have less.

 

[wonderbly]

Results: Rounds of invitations
Ministerial Instructions respecting invitations to apply for permanent residence under the Express Entry system #268– October 10, 2023

See full text of Ministerial Instruction

No Program Specified

Number of invitations issued: 3,725Footnote*

Rank required to be invited to apply: 3,725 or above

Date and time of round: October 10, 2023 at 15:49:55 UTC

CRS score of lowest-ranked candidate invited: 500

Tie-breaking rule: October 02, 2023 at 15:25:30 UTC

If more than one candidate has the lowest score, the cut-off is based on the date and time they submitted their Express Entry profiles.

 

[Hopeful007]

The last part about "I don't see any solutions being implemented" is right. I've not seen PP talk about caps or rightful levels of immigration. It is all talk about building more housing which sounds good on paper, but can easily fail during execution. So many people have faith that conservatives will put a hard stop to excessive immigration once they are in place - we will see in 2024 though.

About the rest, I don't know, but I think this "third world" behavior of cloaking bigotry under "I'm suffering" is a plain disgrace to a first world country. If things are hurting them so much, why not do the most basic thing that a first world democracy allows them to do - Protest! It does feel like they are simply born in a first world could but act very similarly to their "third world" counterparts. I guess it is what it is. Living in Canada for most immigrants of color would now require steering clear of these losers.

To be fair to PP, it would be a mistake for him to talk about capping immigration, it would make him an easy target. All he needs to do is watch Liberals go down the drain and hammer them on the housing issue.

Protests will eventually come, Ontarions were already doing rent strike thing. But you are right, I am kind of surprized that people are not protesting the BS in housing market.

 

[GandiBaat]

To be fair to PP, it would be a mistake for him to talk about capping immigration, it would make him an easy target. All he needs to do is watch Liberals go down the drain and hammer them on the housing issue.

Protests will eventually come, Ontarions were already doing rent strike thing. But you are right, I am kind of surprized that people are not protesting the BS in housing market.

He does not need to show his hand in all domains. In many he can just point to issues and be done with it.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

He does not need to show his hand in all domains. In many he can just point to issues and be done with it.

I want to see how far Canadians can be pushed in terms of disastrous policies before they rise up given their averse nature to conflict and disorder. Also, I want to see the full damage a left-wing socialist can do a well-functioning economy if given the authority.

 

[Lord_Tony]

After working 2 weeks in NY I comeback to GTA and can feel I'm surrounded by dumber people.

 

[RSub]

After working 2 weeks in NY I comeback to GTA and can feel I'm surrounded by dumber people people.

10 years in US and imagine what I must be feeling.

 

[andrews17]

Results: Rounds of invitations
Ministerial Instructions respecting invitations to apply for permanent residence under the Express Entry system #268– October 10, 2023

See full text of Ministerial Instruction

No Program Specified

Number of invitations issued: 3,725Footnote*

Rank required to be invited to apply: 3,725 or above

Date and time of round: October 10, 2023 at 15:49:55 UTC

CRS score of lowest-ranked candidate invited: 500

Tie-breaking rule: October 02, 2023 at 15:25:30 UTC

If more than one candidate has the lowest score, the cut-off is based on the date and time they submitted their Express Entry profiles.

I'm at the 480-490 range. I always get excited when they start doing rounds of invitations a bit more often and the scores start dropping, but when they reach the 490-500 range, they just stop for a month. It's frustrating.