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Sometimes I really HATE to be an Indian diaspora person. My own fellow diaspora members have this weird kind of hate towards their own country that is not explainable by anything else. I do not know where this comes from but it is really illogical and deep rooted. You will never see anyone else go to the extremes as our diaspora goes. Some of them copy the talking points of White nationalist right wing folks left right and centre! Its bizarre! And a lot of them are not even minorities from India who are facing major issues lately!

How the heck does it work! I can understand frustration with India. I can understand every emotion but why this weird kind of hate? Its like they are ready to not ask jump how high but also add a roll over in their jump. Sometimes they jump even when no one is looking.

May be I don't know because I am not originally from India for generations like they are. I have not seen Pakistan, Sri Lankans and Bangladeshi do it. Its uniquely Indian charecterstic.

Sorry I just went on a rant... I had to get it out of my head. Its a weird thing that is always irritating me. Like you know a bunch of lemings going to drown themself and you can just stand watching them do it.
The reason is diversity and lack of unity. There is no unity among us and there will never be one. Frankly, India is a divided country and there will always be someone provoking the other one. South Indians easily gets triggered of things said by North Indians and vice versa. Its not that we (South Indian) hate them (North Indian), its just that we hate them for not understanding us and embracing us for who we are.
 

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Can someone tell me why INDIANS are the worst kind of diaspora on the planet? I mean if someone needs to invade India they should collect Indians and give them weapons! (Wait... didn't that happen in history? Shit!)
The diaspora is deeply divided by caste, religion, and language. That's the only reason I could think of.
 

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My take is, this is the first time so much stink has been made about it. I am sure as hell all countries have been doing this all the time. Trudeau made a stink because of his compulsions or really stupid self serving goals. Case in point: Death of a certain baloch activist on canadian soil which was very suspicious.

Even Trudeau said that he does not want to provoke India or escalate the situation. This will die out very fast because keeping this mess open for too long is not in favour of anyone in G7 and India.


Can someone tell me why INDIANS are the worst kind of diaspora on the planet? I mean if someone needs to invade India they should collect Indians and give them weapons! (Wait... didn't that happen in history? Shit!)

Here we have a person who is going above and beyond what EVEN Trudeau has done! He JUST DECLARED that India has done it! BRAVO!

Here is what Trudeau's OWN minister is saying : https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/harjit-sajjan-hardeep-singh-nijjar-1.6971605



It was NOT that Trudeau had enough proof or evidence at hand. It was that they wanted to PREMPT Canadian media so that they are not caught in another foreign interference scandal.
Well according to JT, the angst is not about a foreigner killed on canadian soil, but a CANADIAN CITIZEN killed on canadian soil.

JT has some daft tendencies but I bet he is not so dense as to make this grave accusation without some evidence.

More idiotic to me though, is PP who knows very well that JT will not be able to publicly provide the evidence they have, but is demanding that he do so, pontificating just to rile up his base.

Politicians make me sick. The whole lot of them.
 

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The reason is diversity and lack of unity. There is no unity among us and there will never be one. Frankly, India is a divided country and there will always be someone provoking the other one. South Indians easily gets triggered of things said by North Indians and vice versa. Its not that we (South Indian) hate them (North Indian), its just that we hate them for not understanding us and embracing us for who we are.
Can you explain to me why the Sikhs want independence? You say you are from South so I assume you are Punjabi?
 
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Sometimes I really HATE to be an Indian diaspora person. My own fellow diaspora members have this weird kind of hate towards their own country that is not explainable by anything else. I do not know where this comes from but it is really illogical and deep rooted. You will never see anyone else go to the extremes as our diaspora goes. Some of them copy the talking points of White nationalist right wing folks left right and centre! Its bizarre! And a lot of them are not even minorities from India who are facing major issues lately!

How the heck does it work! I can understand frustration with India. I can understand every emotion but why this weird kind of hate? Its like they are ready to not ask jump how high but also add a roll over in their jump. Sometimes they jump even when no one is looking.
You seem more worried about how India is looking in front of the world than with finding the truth about the allegations.

Forget about diasporas, leave all of that behind, you decided to move to Canada, Canada should be your priority now.
 

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Can you explain to me why the Sikhs want independence? You say you are from South so I assume you are Punjabi?
Punjabis are from North and I am Tamil from South. I seriously don't know why they want a separate nation. But, I am also pretty sure the majority Sikhs don't want it and don't support it.
 
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You seem more worried about how India is looking in front of the world than with finding the truth about the allegations.
Not really. I am irritated that people of my own diaspora work tirelessly to screw their origin country and in process themself up royally. They go beyond any reasonable limit. To know this you have to live the life of an Indian immigrant or know it intimately. It shows everywhere. I can further elaborate but then I will be going in the realm of "India" which is not really suitable to this board and this threads. God knows I have strayed enough from the topic of this entire forum.
 
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Can you explain to me why the Sikhs want independence? You say you are from South so I assume you are Punjabi?
Its a topic in itself. The quickest way is : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalistan_movement . There are too many details to fit. Too many angles. Too many variables. I cannt vouch for the accuracy of a wikipedia article but I think that is the most accessible one.
 

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Forget about diasporas, leave all of that behind, you decided to move to Canada, Canada should be your priority now.
Oh I do. Thing is diaspora in itself will not forget me because it is all around me. In my workplace everywhere.
 

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Well according to JT, the angst is not about a foreigner killed on canadian soil, but a CANADIAN CITIZEN killed on canadian soil.

JT has some daft tendencies but I bet he is not so dense as to make this grave accusation without some evidence.

More idiotic to me though, is PP who knows very well that JT will not be able to publicly provide the evidence they have, but is demanding that he do so, pontificating just to rile up his base.

Politicians make me sick. The whole lot of them.
Yeah I know the soverignity angle. I will not belabour about how everyone does it. Just that, its an investigation incomplete. His own minister told that he went public because he had to pre-empt the news papers. Which raises doubt on how much is the evidence actually and what is his motivation.
 

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Sometimes I really HATE to be an Indian diaspora person. My own fellow diaspora members have this weird kind of hate towards their own country that is not explainable by anything else. I do not know where this comes from but it is really illogical and deep rooted. You will never see anyone else go to the extremes as our diaspora goes. Some of them copy the talking points of White nationalist right wing folks left right and centre! Its bizarre! And a lot of them are not even minorities from India who are facing major issues lately!

How the heck does it work! I can understand frustration with India. I can understand every emotion but why this weird kind of hate? Its like they are ready to not ask jump how high but also add a roll over in their jump. Sometimes they jump even when no one is looking.

May be I don't know because I am not originally from India for generations like they are. I have not seen Pakistan, Sri Lankans and Bangladeshi do it. Its uniquely Indian charecterstic.

Sorry I just went on a rant... I had to get it out of my head. Its a weird thing that is always irritating me. Like you know a bunch of lemings going to drown themself and you can just stand watching them do it.
I know. I feel the same. The unreasonable self-hate is definitely hard to deal with. People here talk about Indian discrimination/lawlessness as if any other nationality or even Canadians don't do it. I do see some of us definitely fucked up and we all will have to deal with the consequences by association. I wanted to leave this forum a while back, but I think we've a moral duty to support other immigrants who would otherwise be shamed into existence by some people here.

We just have to keep a thick skin mode on. This hate will go down sooner or later.
 
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You seem more worried about how India is looking in front of the world than with finding the truth about the allegations.

Forget about diasporas, leave all of that behind, you decided to move to Canada, Canada should be your priority now.
We are not worried about how we look tbh - I'm fine with someone calling me a squatter, smelly, etc. We are worried about the impact of poor generalizations on people like us who are doing everything right and will be put in the way of hate for absolutely no reason.

We do want to leave our old identities behind, that's what he's saying too. Unfortunately, we can't change our skin color. What maybe 0.5% people do will be generalized on 99.5% people - that's where we don't really like it.

There's a big chance that JT has put a lot of unnecessary hate to our way for no reason with his theatrics. Follow protocols, going to the international court, filing cases, etc - that's what he should've done. He could've said a few words to ensure our safety and security, or had created a program to safeguard safety of our group before he did this. A lot of us are angry about it tbh. Who bears the consequences if he has no evidence or if someone innocent gets targeted because of what he did?

Pretty asshole move. I never thought I would actually have to be cautious about moving to a first world country. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but JT and his incompetent governance have historically failed to secure others when things were way better - no guarantee that it'll be any better. You don't even know who we are dealing with. These separatist have blown away an entire plane in the past - JT just added fuel to the fire.

Maybe one day when you'll be shamed for your existence and for something that you can't change, maybe then you'll understand what we are going through here every single day. It is very hard to understand, but whether I like it or not, India will be my identifier as my skin color screams it ffs!
 
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I know. I feel the same. The unreasonable self-hate is definitely hard to deal with. People here talk about Indian discrimination/lawlessness as if any other nationality or even Canadians don't do it. I do see some of us definitely fucked up and we all will have to deal with the consequences by association. I wanted to leave this forum a while back, but I think we've a moral duty to support other immigrants who would otherwise be shamed into existence by some people here.

We just have to keep a thick skin mode on. This hate will go down sooner or later.
Bad time to be Indian, that's for sure. India had always been insulated from the racism against enemies of the collective West (e.g. Russia, China) but looks like you guys are on the leaderboard. Better to embrace the hate than cower. After all, the Chinese owns most of the real estate in Canada and Russians don't seem to be doing too bad in places like Dubai or Turkey.

That being said, someone needs tell these lamdas to take a shower before getting on public transport and stop wearing sandals everywhere. Squatting and robbing food banks also don't help the wider perception. Humans judge, even in Canada, based on race, ethnicity, and origin.
 

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Canada has Indian diplomats' communications in bombshell murder probe: sources


The Canadian government has amassed both human and signals intelligence in a months-long investigation of a Sikh activist's death that has inflamed relations with India, sources tell CBC News.

That intelligence includes communications involving Indian officials themselves, including Indian diplomats present in Canada, say Canadian government sources.

The intelligence did not come solely from Canada. Some was provided by an unnamed ally in the Five Eyes intelligence alliance.

In a diplomatic crisis that unfolded progressively behind the scenes, Canadian officials went to India on several occasions seeking cooperation in the investigation of Hardeep Singh Nijjar's death.

The Sikh leader was shot dead outside a Sikh temple in Surrey, B.C. on June 18 and reportedly had been warned by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service that he was at risk.

Canada's National Security and Intelligence Adviser Jody Thomas was in India over four days in mid-August, then again for five days this month.

That last visit overlapped with a tense meeting between Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

"I can assure you that the decision to share these allegations on the floor of the House of Commons … was not done lightly," Trudeau said Thursday in New York after attending the United Nations General Assembly.

"It was done with the utmost seriousness."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607
 
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Canada has Indian diplomats' communications in bombshell murder probe: sources


The Canadian government has amassed both human and signals intelligence in a months-long investigation of a Sikh activist's death that has inflamed relations with India, sources tell CBC News.

That intelligence includes communications involving Indian officials themselves, including Indian diplomats present in Canada, say Canadian government sources.

The intelligence did not come solely from Canada. Some was provided by an unnamed ally in the Five Eyes intelligence alliance.

In a diplomatic crisis that unfolded progressively behind the scenes, Canadian officials went to India on several occasions seeking cooperation in the investigation of Hardeep Singh Nijjar's death.

The Sikh leader was shot dead outside a Sikh temple in Surrey, B.C. on June 18 and reportedly had been warned by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service that he was at risk.

Canada's National Security and Intelligence Adviser Jody Thomas was in India over four days in mid-August, then again for five days this month.

That last visit overlapped with a tense meeting between Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

"I can assure you that the decision to share these allegations on the floor of the House of Commons … was not done lightly," Trudeau said Thursday in New York after attending the United Nations General Assembly.

"It was done with the utmost seriousness."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sikh-nijjar-india-canada-trudeau-modi-1.6974607
I don't understand why India thinks it's a winning move to stop issuing visas to Canadians. The overwhelming majority of those applying will be naturalised indian-canadians.

This flex from Modi won't end well. Should Canada decide to retaliate, Indians would be the ones getting the short end of the stick.