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[RSub]

I would say it depends on the role also. If one is hiring an individual contributor for a very skills based job like coding where you will sit and code it really doesn't matter. I can still understand if you are trying to hire a manager and you are worried about work styles. But I think companies here are missing out on a lot of good talent because of that.

They frustrate and demean people and people remember that. So those folks then take that humiliation and then decide that as soon as they will get passports they will move down south and work there to get better money and better opportunity. So after 3-4 years Canada needs that talent again.

In short, Canada fails to keep the talent.

 

[cansha]

In short, Canada fails to keep the talent.

Oh for sure .. in some of my WA groups folks who got citizenship have already started moving back to US. And some folks are moving to Dubai / Singapore etc.

 

[AlmostThere2]

Just look at the licensing process, it takes a long time to study and pass the exams in the first attempt and there is a limit on total number of attempts. Also, they need to do some kind of job to support themselves till they get the licence.

Some people don't want to continue in their fields but can take adjacent jobs that were never available to them back home. I mean a physician can join the United Nations or WHO, or something, if they have a PR to a "1st world" country, they would have better allocation into these positions than if they applied from back home, because donor countries get bigger slices of the pie, and after naturalization, their income either doubles or triples, again because they are citizens of a donor country. I still think that Canada benefits, maybe not from a licensed doctor/pharmacist or what have you, but from the high taxes these individuals pay. CEC argument used right!!!

 

[seadrag0n]

Some people don't want to continue in their fields but can take adjacent jobs that were never available to them back home. I mean a physician can join the United Nations or WHO, or something, if they have a PR to a "1st world" country, they would have better allocation into these positions than if they applied from back home, because donor countries get bigger slices of the pie, and after naturalization, their income either doubles or triples, again because they are citizens of a donor country. I still think that Canada benefits, maybe not from a licensed doctor/pharmacist or what have you, but from the high taxes these individuals pay. CEC argument used right!!!

What the point of inviting them under NOC specific draws if they wont work in their profession?

 

[Shadow09]

What the point of inviting them under NOC specific draws if they wont work in their profession?

Someone mentioned something similar a few days ago as well and absolutely agree with it.

 

[AlmostThere2]

What the point of inviting them under NOC specific draws if they wont work in their profession?

They have the know-how to go into those fields while working elsewhere and passing their licensing exams, if they choose to do so. Either way, Canada is getting qualified talent, that will either contribute to the society through medical service and/or high taxes. Either way, this is why I'm against the C-19 bill. I believe that high achievers should be given an opportunity, I know that it's a zero sum game but people with potential should be given a shot. Now from the perspective of Canada, maybe they could make the licensing exams more available, so that you can take the tests from your home country and only move when you pass the exams, like the US does. But in any case it's a win-win for both parties, if you don't segregate these fields and make it seem like an impossible mission. Just my two cents...

 

[cansha]

What the point of inviting them under NOC specific draws if they wont work in their profession?

Canadian authorities really need to rethink their strategy on medical professionals. Canada is struggling with a shortage of medical staff and long wait lines and at the same time they make it really difficult for someone to practice in Canada. I understand that they want to make sure the doctors / nurses are good enough and understand Canadian healthcare standards but they can't expect an experienced doctor to come to Canada and then flip burgers while he jumps through the hoops to get a license and then some hospital telling him he doesn't have Canadian experience.

The NOC specific thing is good in theory but the devil is in details. Also, I will concede it is way easier said then done but there has to be an effort to solve the issues. The number of stories I have read / heard of Doctors driving uber in Canada to survive are heartbreaking.

 

[cansha]

maybe they could make the licensing exams more available, so that you can take the tests from your home country and only move when you pass the exams, like the US does.

^ This absolutely!

 

[AlmostThere2]

And please keep in mind that a foreign medical graduate will have to cough up around 6,000 CAD for licensing exams and administrative fees. For most graduates from 3rd world countries, this is will be extremely difficult, with monthly salaries being ~300-500 CAD.

 

[cansha]

And please keep in mind that a foreign medical graduate will have to cough up around 6,000 CAD for licensing exams and administrative fees. For most graduates from 3rd world countries, this is will be extremely difficult, with monthly salaries being ~300-500 CAD.

Very good point. That is a huge barrier. Plus someone coming will not have a job in hand and can't spend that kind of money.

Here is a thread on reddit which gives a glimpse of why Canada needs more medical personnel https://www.reddit.com/r/askTO/comments/w2sisl

 

[ashu2111]

Even if my noc(pharmacy) gets exluded, but I have B2 plus in french, is there any chance to get selected?

Nobody knows but there is hope that yes! I am in the same situation as you. But since I have 500+ score due to my French, I am anxiously hoping that I'll get selected this year. You never know what the future holds! But learning French was a good idea.

 

[ElvisRamaj]

Nobody knows but there is hope that yes! I am in the same situation as you. But since I have 500+ score due to my French, I am anxiously hoping that I'll get selected this year. You never know what the future holds! But learning French was a good idea.

Hey @ashu2111

Out of curiosity, what's your score and where are you from ? I am trying to figure out what could be the distribution of the 501+ club.

 

[wonderbly]

Moderator said this kind of language is not allowed in their site and they deleted my post lol.
Lol this is like the language in bahubali movie lol.

Heyyyyyy, I love bahubali . Don't knock it .

 

[wonderbly]

There is one more global brand .. Shopify .. although the stock price has tumbled a lot and they are doing very badly that they rescinded offers on even internships. But it does have global presence and has customers all over the world. Australia is dependent on China in the same way Canada is dependent on US.

Canada's economy and thinking is a little too closed and rigid for a developed country. It kind of helps and inhibits it at the same time. Their policies have helped them to have their home grown brands to exist - for example banks like TD, BMO, CIBC and Rogers etc. If the policies were open Chase or other US banks would have killed the market. Tim Hortons is able to sustain even with Starbucks. But since they get things easier here the companies have no will power or ability to dominate in markets outside of Canada.

Australia is secluded from rest of the world but Canada has an advantage of having access to US markets. But challenge is the companies don't have the open mindset and work culture needed to make a name in US. Unfortunately, from what I have seen they are not even trying to diversify economy to be in a better shape 10-15 years down the line. The work needs to start today to see results in future.

My faith and hope in Canada's technology advancement waned yesterday, when I received a letter in the post, to confirm that I have now opened an online provincial utilities account.

A paper letter to confirm an online transaction guys. And it took 5 days to get to me too .

 

[wonderbly]

More than that I think their recruiting practices are primitive. In this global day and age they frustrate many good candidates with their fascination of "Canadian Experience". Does coding change if someone does coding somewhere else in the world vs Canada. What is the use of bringing all the skilled people in the country and then not hiring the talent.

Its okay to give respect to a talent that spent some time in Canada but like you said its pathetic to ditch the New Immigrants due to lack of Canadian experience.

My Canadian experience is me doing stuff I already did like 10 years ago that they are just trying to introduce in the org I work for. I can feel myself getting dumber by the day.

But I still like Canada .