Fraud by canadian Citizen

[Fraud by citizen]

Hello people here, I want you to pay attention on the other side of the coin. Marriage scams just not happen by foreign nationals. Even canadian citizen does the same. I knows some canadians ho sponsor someone as spouse only to get some huge amount. In my case, I met my husband back in India,seems everything normal. I got married landed Canada and guess what after a month I foun out that my husband was previouslly married to another girl in my country. they registered their marriage under a crown. Later the girl decides not to come and they never got divorced. And later my husband married me.
Wasnt this a fraud, a crime a cheat. If marriage is considered a trustful institution, isnt I should be told about his status. According to the law a person should be eligible to get marriage else that marriage is invalid. Canada doesnt know anything about his previous marriage because no papers was registered ever to canadian visa office. But wasnt I be deceived by my husband. He is being very abusive and theatened me all the time that if I ever report this to police I will be deported to India. Him and his family always abuse me and ask for dowry all the time.
I need help how can I show that he cheated me by not telling the truth.

 

[screech339]

Technically your husband has committed polygamy by marrying you without divorcing his first wife, which is illegal in Canada.

We need more info about your PR situation. Are you a PR now? Or are you waiting for PR to be completed? If you are in fact a PR, was your application submitted after the 2 year conditional PR mandate?

I can't answer much about your situation until you provide more details specifically on your own PR status.

Screech339

 

[Alurra71]

Unless of course the marriage was simply annulled in which case it never existed to begin with by the very definition of annulment ....

By the sounds of what the OP stated, he had applied to immigrate his previous spouse to Canada and she changed her mind, if this is the case, then CIC would have definitely had that information on hand, so something sounds off ...

 

[SenoritaBella]

She did say, "Canada doesnt know anything about his previous marriage because no papers was registered ever to canadian visa office."

So it does not sound like he ever submitted a sponsorship for the first woman. Otherwise, I very much doubt CIC would miss something like that.

@ Fraud by citizen... I understand you feel cheated but your safety important. If he abuses and threatens you as you allege, imagine what he could do if you are still living with him and he finds out you reported him? Take this seriously and consider reporting the abuse to the police. There are women's shelters where you can stay. Write down everything he(and his family) does to you with dates and time from now on, this way you will have evidence. Talk to someone you trust about it. Once you are in a safe environment, you can begin taking steps to move on with your life. The best 'revenge' is to live your life to the fullest.

Unless of course the marriage was simply annulled in which case it never existed to begin with by the very definition of annulment ....

By the sounds of what the OP stated, he had applied to immigrate his previous spouse to Canada and she changed her mind, if this is the case, then CIC would have definitely had that information on hand, so something sounds off ...

 

[toutesweet]

She did say, "Canada doesnt know anything about his previous marriage because no papers was registered ever to canadian visa office."

So it does not sound like he ever submitted a sponsorship for the first woman. Otherwise, I very much doubt CIC would miss something like that.

@ Fraud by citizen... I understand you feel cheated but your safety important. If he abuses and threatens you as you allege, imagine what he could do if you are still living with him and he finds out you reported him? Take this seriously and consider reporting the abuse to the police. There are women's shelters where you can stay. Write down everything he(and his family) does to you with dates and time from now on, this way you will have evidence. Talk to someone you trust about it. Once you are in a safe environment, you can begin taking steps to move on with your life. The best 'revenge' is to live your life to the fullest.

I agree. It's not so much about annulled or not or the previous marriage. It's about abuse and extortion you can talk to a woman's group like WAVAW who can maybe point you in the right direction or speak to a family lawyer about your options. The initial consult should be free and confidential. Try to talk to a few different sources and research by yourself on the internet to see what you can do.. This is not the first time something like this has happened and it's taken seriously.

 

[Alurra71]

If he is indeed abusing her as she says, then yes she should seek assistance with that, however I am still stuck on the 'he registered his marriage under a crown' part, what does that even mean? If she married this man in her country, as is implied, whether he registered his marriage with Canada is not relevant really, as he did register it in the country he was in or whatever at the time. This would imply that they had a record of this marriage and when he went to marry the OP, wouldn't that marriage show up there?

As far as him and his family abusing her always asking for a dowry, isn't that given before a marriage is even granted? Why would they be asking for it now after a marriage and immigration has been completed?

I think I will try to do some research regarding the OP's situation and see what I can find.

 

[SenoritaBella]

No, it wouldn't show up if they still use paper records. If he married in a different city, it's not feasible to verify information manually.

 

[Fraud by citizen]

Hello all,
It took me long to figure out how to find my own thread and reply to it.

I appreciate every one's reply.Also To one person who personally email me and help me finding my ways. but I can not reply to that for some reason. (I am not a computer techy person

Unfortunately I live in Vancouver area and so little help is provided for south asians women typically. Though the community is huge here.
When I spoke with the lawyer about his forst marriage, lawyer simply denies it saying there is no point of going for his first marriage becuase it is unreported, I told him he is still in contact with her, he says nothing is going to happen in Canadian court. Also all his mental torture and abuse is unreported as well becuase I never filed any complaint nor anybody knows about it. Only few of my friends knows it upto a certain limited level while all his frends will not say anything against him in the court.

This is so upsetting and I am mentally shredded with all the tortures but the canadian system is not helping me any ways. Then I begin to think that there is no big difference between developed country and developing country.
Sigh!!

 

[rhcohen2014]

Hello all,
It took me long to figure out how to find my own thread and reply to it.

I appreciate every one's reply.Also To one person who personally email me and help me finding my ways. but I can not reply to that for some reason. (I am not a computer techy person

Unfortunately I live in Vancouver area and so little help is provided for south asians women typically.

abuse is abuse and has nnothing to do with ethnicity, so i am sure vancouver has a shelter for ANYONE experiencing abuse. Perhaps a phone book will be able to point you in the right direction. also, most churches, temples, synagogues, or immigrant resource centers won't discriminate because of where you are from and what your beliefs are.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Unfortunately I live in Vancouver area and so little help is provided for south asians women typically.

This is so upsetting and I am mentally shredded with all the tortures but the canadian system is not helping me any ways.

There are a great many programs/shelters/organizations/etc. in Vancouver specifically in place to help women such as yourself, regardless of race. But you need to actually ASK THEM FOR HELP. Start by speaking to the police.

http://www.bchousing.org/Options/Emergency_Housing/WTHSP/Access
http://www.bwss.org/
http://www.thebloomgroup.org/our-work/women-children/
http://www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/sheltermovement
http://www.metrovancouver.org/planning/homelessness/ResourcesPage/SheltersList.pdf
http://www.wavaw.ca/
http://www.northshorewomen.ca/resource/violence_abuse
and many more.

 

[Fraud by citizen]

@ canucks_in_uk= Thanks I did call for counselling services. They ask me to call monday or after 5 pm sunday.

I moved to fraser valley so need to find a service in abbotsford. The fact I regret the most that when ever my estranged spouse was threatening me, i do getscared and gave all access to my newborn baby to him whenever he ask for and what ever time he ask for.
my 7 months old stays with him for straight 10 hours and obviously I have to deal with other health issue of her. Becuase she wasnt fed properly. Baby comes cranky, extremely contipated, had diarrhoe once.

now to resolve the contipation ( because she got numerous tear in her anal) she was given some laxative whenever she came home to me. Which I believe is wrongful deed and is playing with her health just to show to the judge that he is a wonderful father and should given custody.

 

[Fraud by citizen]

@rhcohen- Yes you are right, abuse is an abuse and I think it will stay with me forever at the back of my mind.
the only way to heal it; is TIME or through justice. But I know verbal and mental abuse is hard to prove and probably it wont go anywhere in the court.
Something a victim is revictimized everytime by body language or deed.

I know racial discrimination is not something I will think here, But i have been to womens resource society couple of time and I do get some help in finding some stuff but its not exactly they way I was treated by my estranged spouse.
Everytime I see him, I do get scared, I do realise that this person will loose his anger anytime and will probably do something crazy. Or he is just playing his game in hurting my baby by playing with her health issues, because this is something I dont want to see.
I just want my baby to be safe and healthy and happy the way she is.
But when I denied his access to have the parenting time with her, becuase she is sick and he doesnt take care, he lied to poilice and police department called me saying that if I dont comply I wil face consequences, and I should deny. My questiont o them that when I seek your help hen he wasnt retunring my 6 month old and kept her for two straight days, police suggested me to go to court. Police is like oh well that day is gone, we are talking about today, give him his child and wait for her to return her.

This system is so messy, and smart person can just manipulate even cops and cops just not use there mind to think which is right and wrong. They just believe what a smart person is saying not what is truth.

 

[soblue3]

Hello all,
It took me long to figure out how to find my own thread and reply to it.

I appreciate every one's reply.Also To one person who personally email me and help me finding my ways. but I can not reply to that for some reason. (I am not a computer techy person

Unfortunately I live in Vancouver area and so little help is provided for south asians women typically. Though the community is huge here.
When I spoke with the lawyer about his forst marriage, lawyer simply denies it saying there is no point of going for his first marriage becuase it is unreported, I told him he is still in contact with her, he says nothing is going to happen in Canadian court. Also all his mental torture and abuse is unreported as well becuase I never filed any complaint nor anybody knows about it. Only few of my friends knows it upto a certain limited level while all his frends will not say anything against him in the court.

This is so upsetting and I am mentally shredded with all the tortures but the canadian system is not helping me any ways. Then I begin to think that there is no big difference between developed country and developing country.
Sigh!!

I am not clear about your situation. The first question is do you want to leave him. If you do i can give you few numbers to call. There are shelters in Vancouver where you can at least be safe. Maybe have access to computer and even somebody help you. You can possibly get some information from india verifying that he is married. Maybe if you dont tell him where you are then when he calls you there you can put him on speaker phone or record his threats. There is many things you can do but of course you need to decide if you want to leave him. Safety is first. Then when you safe you can decide what exactly you want to do. Some shelters also have people who are sort of like women advocates. They can help you with many things.
Oh i just read your further post. I hope you are not serious here..your baby is with him most of the day. And where are you. And baby has those problems but you did not go to the police. Really i hope you not serious. If you are you have to call somebody

there is shelters for women that will take you and the baby together.

 

[Fraud by citizen]

I am not clear about your situation. The first question is do you want to leave him. If you do i can give you few numbers to call. There are shelters in Vancouver where you can at least be safe. Maybe have access to computer and even somebody help you. You can possibly get some information from india verifying that he is married. Maybe if you dont tell him where you are then when he calls you there you can put him on speaker phone or record his threats. There is many things you can do but of course you need to decide if you want to leave him. Safety is first. Then when you safe you can decide what exactly you want to do. Some shelters also have people who are sort of like women advocates. They can help you with many things.
Oh i just read your further post. I hope you are not serious here..your baby is with him most of the day. And where are you. And baby has those problems but you did not go to the police. Really i hope you not serious. If you are you have to call somebody

there is shelters for women that will take you and the baby together.

I have no clue where to find where his marriage is registered, I heard everythignis possible in India but to get it done you need someone who can help you, like a volunteer who has access to the system and help me find his marriage certificate.

 

[SenoritaBella]

In my humble opinion, the health of your baby is the most important issue here. Next time the baby returns with any health problems, take her to emergency immediately. You need medical proof that he is not taking good care of her in order for the judge to give you temporary custody of the baby until there is a formal hearing to make a final decision. At the very least, the Judge can order supervisory visits for him(i.e. whenever he has the baby, there is a social worker there the whole time).

Also, try to not be too concerned about what is not going well. Focus on what you can do for yourself and the baby. Go on google and search for "legal aid" in your city. If you can't afford a lawyer, the court will appoint one for you free of charge(i.e. paid by taxpayers). You need a lawyer to guide you, otherwise, with the games you allege he is playing, he could win full-custody of the baby and you will be kicking yourself for a long long time over it.

Soblue3 makes very good points about shelters.