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I am not an expert, I have seen it in real life. I live in a 3rd world country where hell of a lot of people apply for asylum. So pretty sure I know more than you would ever know from Google. Also the exception doesn’t deny the rule or whatever they call it. Also seems like people with a vip title move together in a cult eh?
just ignore him bro . his purpose is to bully others carrying that tag of vip he thinks he can affect others but at the end of the day he is screwing up the reputation of sane and decent members around and make a fool of himself .
he doesn’t even answer my question properly i asked if i am okay returning back to canada and that re availement woulf not apply but he is bringing up articles in regards with someone seeming consular assistance abroad
 
Oct 18, 2024
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You seriously need to become informed .
This guy’s Canadian passport got him no where
Going back to a country one claimed asylum after becoming a Canadian citizen is moronic to say the least

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/montreal-man-detained-sudan-1.7361247

But you’re the “ expert “
i dont feed trolls Mr vip member who knows everything but cant even answer a question properly. i feel bad i dont own this forum otherwise you would not be here .
 

armoured

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i am originally from morocco . the gov dont go after religious minorities as long as you keep it low profile and discreet. moreover if you hole s foreign strong nationality as a foreign citizen they take precautions. you are most likely to have issues with the population especially those who are very religious and practicing
hope i answered your questions and again thanks for your reply to my inquiry
You're welcome and good luck.

There are always going to be differences of opinion about what the purpose of protected person/refugee status is.

The way it appears to many is that what you've done is request refugee status in Canada - at some expense to the government of Canada, possibly? - with the primary intent of getting a Canadian passport in order to return to your home country with the protection of that Canadian passport.

At minimum that implies some ongoing expense or liability to Canadian taxpayers - and although you can argue that the liability is a contingent one - an expense that might only become real in certain circumstances - that still has costs.

The willingness of Canadians to continue to support refugee programs is an inherently political topic. There is an implied social contract (which is rarely spelled out in detail): for the most part, in my opinion, the way most Canadians see that implied social contract is that Canada takes in people who are truly 'in need', and those people who are taken in try to fit in and be productive residents (and eventually citizens). Opinions are just as strong about citizenship.

Apart from that, there are always strong opinions held (and expressed) about the need to take in the most in need, that is, to prioritize. There are at minimum tens of millions worldwide who might potentially qualify as refugees/protected persons in Canada: and although it's banal to say, there is no political/economic world in which Canada can take them all in. People are going to have opinions about cases that are more worthy than others.

All this to say: it's a hot topic and get used to it - as a citizen, and get used to hearing about it. You're doing something that many feel is at odds with the very idea of immigration and refugee protection.

I'm not even saying I disagree with those views - at least, not outright.

My view is that life is very complicated and ... not everything works out, and not everyone finds their way in Canadian society, and there is no realistic way that any real life immigration/refugee program can be perfect (in terms of weeding out those who won't do well, without rejecting too many who might, etc). And we're never going to implement a requirement for all citizens to remain in Canada, and maybe it will be cheaper (long term) to accept that some who don't find their way in Canada will be better off leaving.

Or to return to the topic at hand a bit more directly: there are some who might game the system. Or attempt to. Coming to Canada as a protected person and then staying for the lengthy period of time to become a citizen (in order to return to home country) is rarely the plan anyone had ex ante. So I think we can accept it happens and not over-react to each individual case. We can afford to be a bit generous and, well, s*** happens.

But again: you should accept that lots of people are not going to approve of the situation, and express it, and not always politely. Maybe they could try harder to understand your situation too. And be a bit more forgiving.

Anyway, I hope this helps understand the point of view of others.

It's an inherently controversial topic.
 
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You're welcome and good luck.

There are always going to be differences of opinion about what the purpose of protected person/refugee status is.

The way it appears to many is that what you've done is request refugee status in Canada - at some expense to the government of Canada, possibly? - with the primary intent of getting a Canadian passport in order to return to your home country with the protection of that Canadian passport.

At minimum that implies some ongoing expense or liability to Canadian taxpayers - and although you can argue that the liability is a contingent one - an expense that might only become real in certain circumstances - that still has costs.

The willingness of Canadians to continue to support refugee programs is an inherently political topic. There is an implied social contract (which is rarely spelled out in detail): for the most part, in my opinion, the way most Canadians see that implied social contract is that Canada takes in people who are truly 'in need', and those people who are taken in try to fit in and be productive residents (and eventually citizens). Opinions are just as strong about citizenship.

Apart from that, there are always strong opinions held (and expressed) about the need to take in the most in need, that is, to prioritize. There are at minimum tens of millions worldwide who might potentially qualify as refugees/protected persons in Canada: and although it's banal to say, there is no political/economic world in which Canada can take them all in. People are going to have opinions about cases that are more worthy than others.

All this to say: it's a hot topic and get used to it - as a citizen, and get used to hearing about it. You're doing something that many feel is at odds with the very idea of immigration and refugee protection.

I'm not even saying I disagree with those views - at least, not outright.

My view is that life is very complicated and ... not everything works out, and not everyone finds their way in Canadian society, and there is no realistic way that any real life immigration/refugee program can be perfect (in terms of weeding out those who won't do well, without rejecting too many who might, etc). And we're never going to implement a requirement for all citizens to remain in Canada, and maybe it will be cheaper (long term) to accept that some who don't find their way in Canada will be better off leaving.

Or to return to the topic at hand a bit more directly: there are some who might game the system. Or attempt to. Coming to Canada as a protected person and then staying for the lengthy period of time to become a citizen (in order to return to home country) is rarely the plan anyone had ex ante. So I think we can accept it happens and not over-react to each individual case. We can afford to be a bit generous and, well, s*** happens.

But again: you should accept that lots of people are not going to approve of the situation, and express it, and not always politely. Maybe they could try harder to understand your situation too. And be a bit more forgiving.

Anyway, I hope this helps understand the point of view of others.

It's an inherently controversial topic.
Hello .i hope you are well and thanks for your feedback and interaction.
well i got your view however i never returned to my homeland during my process. its been 8 years . many things change ( family illness, economic situation, death of loved ones , regimes ) just the fact that i hold a canadian passport the authorities of my country wont dare to attack me . this is a fact . if you check morocco history indeed its a muslim country but where all foreigners can travel to and be either gays, atheists or whatever minorities implies.
Unlike many refugees as you say whom abuse system and stay on welfare for example for many years , return to their countries while being a refugee ive never applied for any nor taken advantage of my status.
my case is genuine and i dont have the obligation to prove it to other bullies members like copingwithlife and canuck78 or others in order to prove my point he / they are literally laters and not here to share advices.
if we become citizen we are likely to be considered as any other canadians there is no restriction in passports and we shall be treated the same in such a big democracy as Canada

actually i know many people in person who are well integrated and contribute to the society and have clean criminal background just like me , i consider myself to be lucky to be here and i am grateful to be offered the protection or this beautiful nation . Basically the mere fact of returning to my homeland doesnt mean i am an evil but as mentioned above situations change . now with recession i am unemployed when i could have a place where to sleep and never pay rent in my country that’s challenging.
also when your parents call you and have had a stroke and need your assistance hence they cant apply for a tourist visa should i just abandon them . there are things to consider before being judmental like those two haters
copingwithlife and canuck78

regards
 
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armoured

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Hello .i hope you are well and thanks for your feedback and interaction.
well i got your view however i never returned to my homeland during my process. its been 8 years . many things change
... there are things to consider before being judmental
I recognize and I believe I was fairly clear that yes, life is complicated, and things change. There are indeed things to consider before being judgmental.

There are also cases (including abuse, perceived and real, of the system) that are inevitably going to lead to criticism of the system and the individuals - particularly in cases where the entirety of the story behind it is (of necessity) missing.

I'm not making a judgment about your case.
 
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