First Time Visitor's VISA rejected, reapplied...

[kings245827]

Hi Guys,

A week back my Visitor's VISA to Canada was rejected. Reason for my trip to Canada is two folds-

1) My partner who is 26 yrs old is doing his Masters from Montreal and we thought to get married in Montreal this October. By the way i am 34.

2) I wanted to meet my prospective PhD guide and have discussion related to my PhD application.

Reason for my VISA rejection was quite generic. Officer was not very convinced that I will return back, not convinced about my financial position and Travel History.

This time when I re-applied I made sure I submit the following documents-

1) Letter from my employer stating approval of the leave and the date of resumption of my duties. (Not given when applied for the first time)
2) Letter from my prospective PhD Mentor stating that he is fully sponsoring my boarding, lodging and other expenses and I will be staying with him (his home address given) and clearly stated my duration of stay and 2 reasons for my visit. He also mentioned that I have my ailing parents back home and in no circumstances I will be able to overstay. (Not given when applied for the first time)
3) His financial Assessment Report (Not given when applied for the first time)
4) His tax Bills (Not given when applied for the first time)
5) Copy of Passport (Not given when applied for the first time)
6) Copy of Marriage notice (Not given when applied for the first time)
7) Two way non-refundable air tickets (Return Tickets were not provided)
8) My Letter stating purpose of my trip
9) My bank statement which is not very strong

By the way my Express Entry Profile is active in the pool

Can you guys tell me what are the chances that this time I will not be denied? Going through some anxious days.

 

[Bryanna]

This time when I re-applied I made sure I submit the following documents-

1) Letter from my employer stating approval of the leave and the date of resumption of my duties. (Not given when applied for the first time)
2) Letter from my prospective PhD Mentor stating that he is fully sponsoring my boarding, lodging and other expenses and I will be staying with him (his home address given) and clearly stated my duration of stay and 2 reasons for my visit. He also mentioned that I have my ailing parents back home and in no circumstances I will be able to overstay. (Not given when applied for the first time)
3) His financial Assessment Report (Not given when applied for the first time)
4) His tax Bills (Not given when applied for the first time)
5) Copy of Passport (Not given when applied for the first time)
6) Copy of Marriage notice (Not given when applied for the first time)
7) Two way non-refundable air tickets (Return Tickets were not provided)
8) My Letter stating purpose of my trip
9) My bank statement which is not very strong

As you've already reapplied any suggestions given now on this thread won't help. You'll need to wait for the decision.

IMO, you can expect another TRV refusal. Sorry but the documents you have submitted for your second application point towards another refusal.

Here's why:
1. You have already expressed your intention to remain in Canada long-term by stating you would like to pursue a PhD + your intention to marry in Montreal (which implies you can apply for a SOWP = Long-term stay.... assuming your partner is a student/has a WP and not PR).

2. Your PhD guide cannot assure IRCC that you have reasons to return to your home country such as your ailing parents. In fact, these statements are contradictory to your true intentions of wanting to marry and start the PhD program. Basically, your ailing parents + your employment are not reasons to return home.

3. You need to apply for a study permit and not a TRV.

4. Your financial situation is not strong

5. You're in the EE pool

6. You reapplied within a week i.e. indicates desperation to enter Canada


Hope for the best. You might just get lucky

 

[kings245827]

As you've already reapplied any suggestions given now on this thread won't help. You'll need to wait for the decision.

IMO, you can expect another TRV refusal. Sorry but the documents you have submitted for your second application point towards another refusal.

Here's why:
1. You have already expressed your intention to remain in Canada long-term by stating you would like to pursue a PhD + your intention to marry in Montreal (which implies you can apply for a SOWP = Long-term stay.... assuming your partner is a student/has a WP and not PR).

2. Your PhD guide cannot assure IRCC that you have reasons to return to your home country such as your ailing parents. In fact, these statements are contradictory to your true intentions of wanting to marry and start the PhD program. Basically, your ailing parents + your employment are not reasons to return home.

3. You need to apply for a study permit and not a TRV.

4. Your financial situation is not strong

5. You're in the EE pool

6. You reapplied within a week i.e. indicates desperation to enter Canada


Hope for the best. You might just get lucky

Thanks for your response. My mentor did not mention PhD. He wrote when he was here in India we did become good friends and for his next publication he is inviting me for further academic discussion and for this reason predominantly he is hosting me and sponsoring my stay. As I am a Professor I need to get back to my job here at the earliest.

Does it change anything?

 

[kings245827]

One more thing desperation in this case might sound correct because the tickets both ways are booked and marriage notice has been issued which cannot be postponed. And truly at this juncture leaving my current job and to settle there without a job is not even in my mind. Unless I get a job there is no way I can go and settle there

 

[Bryanna]

Thanks for your response. My mentor did not mention PhD. He wrote when he was here in India we did become good friends and for his next publication he is inviting me for further academic discussion and for this reason predominantly he is hosting me and sponsoring my stay. As I am a Professor I need to get back to my job here at the earliest.

Does it change anything?

Unfortunately, it does not change anything.

He indicated that you would like to pursue a PhD/further education even if it was not implicitly stated. In any case, you would need to apply for a study permit, not for a TRV.

Secondly, visitors are expected to demonstrate that they have adequate financial resources to afford their visit including airfare without depending on their Canadian hosts

 

[Bryanna]

One more thing desperation in this case might sound correct because the tickets both ways are booked and marriage notice has been issued which cannot be postponed. And truly at this juncture leaving my current job and to settle there without a job is not even in my mind. Unless I get a job there is no way I can go and settle there

An often repeated advice: It is not a good idea to book tickets in advance. Tickets do not guarantee visa approvals.

You can get married in Montreal only if you are issued a visa, right?


Based on your posts, there seems to be some confusion in your mind about the way forward:
On the one hand you would like to pursue a PhD in Montreal (would your PhD guide pay a stipend for the entire program?) + you would like to get married + you are awaiting an ITA = Long-term stay

While on the other hand you have cited your ailing parents + your employment + the need to have a job (this last point is understandable)..... all of which contradicts the above intentions for long-stay.

I suggest you must sit back and work out a plan for your future that would be actually doable.... that does not pose too many risks for execution (Read: Getting visas without appropriate supporting documents).

If you feel that EE is the best way forward then try to improve your CRS score to get selected in the next draw. Basically, work out a Plan A.... and then a Plan B. Right now there's a mélange of plans that don't seem to help you.

Or else a Plan B: Maybe get married in another country and then apply for a SOWP

My two cents.... and my Plan A and Plan B suggestions for you

 

[kings245827]

An often repeated advice: It is not a good idea to book tickets in advance. Tickets do not guarantee visa approvals.

You can get married in Montreal only if you are issued a visa, right?


Based on your posts, there seems to be some confusion in your mind about the way forward:
On the one hand you would like to pursue a PhD in Montreal (would your PhD guide pay a stipend for the entire program?) + you would like to get married + you are awaiting an ITA = Long-term stay

While on the other hand you have cited your ailing parents + your employment + the need to have a job (this last point is understandable)..... all of which contradicts the above intentions for long-stay.

I suggest you must sit back and work out a plan for your future that would be actually doable.... that does not pose too many risks for execution (Read: Getting visas without appropriate supporting documents).

If you feel that EE is the best way forward then try to improve your CRS score to get selected in the next draw. Basically, work out a Plan A.... and then a Plan B. Right now there's a mélange of plans that don't seem to help you. My two cents

I am going to meet the Professor to discuss his publications as I am already going there we thought to get married. This is the only purpose for my visit now. Next for long-term stay either I have to enroll for my Ph.D. which I have not applied yet or I need to get a job which I have not got it yet, so long-term stay in Canada at the moment is out of the question. I cannot leave my current job and just go there. Secondly, here I have to do some arrangements for my parents only then I can shift to Canada. In this short notice, it is not possible for me to do.

So the intention of staying back in Canada doesn't arrive. None the less this whole VISA process is a quite wishy-washy affair it seems because in the immigration site it mentions "candidates applying for EE can very well apply for Visitor's Visa and it is not a deterrent" Now they say so and then they act anti to it then it is a serious issue.

Major issue is there is not VISA interview. Everyone may not be able to explain in pen and paper. One must get a chance to defend its purpose.

 

[Bryanna]

I am going to meet the Professor to discuss his publications as I am already going there we thought to get married. This is the only purpose for my visit now. Next for long-term stay either I have to enroll for my Ph.D. which I have not applied yet or I need to get a job which I have not got it yet, so long-term stay in Canada at the moment is out of the question. I cannot leave my current job and just go there. Secondly, here I have to do some arrangements for my parents only then I can shift to Canada. In this short notice, it is not possible for me to do.

I'll return to the views that I cited in my first post about your intentions to remain long-term in Canada. Your documents for your new application seem to confirm this.

None the less this whole VISA process is a quite wishy-washy affair it seems because in the immigration site it mentions "candidates applying for EE can very well apply for Visitor's Visa and it is not a deterrent" Now they say so and then they act anti to it then it is a serious issue.

Quite honestly, there's nothing wishy-washy for Canadian visas. One can be in the EE pool and apply for a TRV. Many applicants have done so.

The issue arises when an applicant cannot demonstrate his/her strong ties + a genuine purpose for a short visit (Expectation #1 for a TRV) + adequate finances for the visit.

It would be inappropriate to blame IRCC. Visa officers work on the balance of probability i.e. the probability that the visitor would return to his/her home country.

Major issue is there is not VISA interview. Everyone may not be able to explain in pen and paper. One must get a chance to defend its purpose.

Your paperwork for the reapplication is your opportunity to defend your purpose + you have utilized this opportunity to explain your situation in pen and paper


Hope it works out well for you

 

[kings245827]

Thanks for your deep insight into it. I am now clueless about what will make the VISA officers convince that my intention is not to stay back on this trip. I provided return tickets, Letter from Employer, Letter from Sponsor, for Finance all the documents of the host. God knows what else they need. Was honest about the purpose of my visit citing one primary and one secondary and still if they think I will not come back. I really have nothing to do. As you are an expert in this, I do take your words at face value. But yes completely disheartened to know that I will not be able to visit my friend and my fiance. I really don't know whether the VISA guys want honest visitors or otherwise. Really heartbroken.

 

[Bryanna]

Thanks for your deep insight into it. I am now clueless about what will make the VISA officers convince that my intention is not to stay back on this trip. I provided return tickets, Letter from Employer, Letter from Sponsor, for Finance all the documents of the host. God knows what else they need. Was honest about the purpose of my visit citing one primary and one secondary and still if they think I will not come back. I really have nothing to do. As you are an expert in this, I do take your words at face value. But yes completely disheartened to know that I will not be able to visit my friend and my fiance. I really don't know whether the VISA guys want honest visitors or otherwise. Really heartbroken.

I hope my analysis is wrong. The visa officer may be convinced that you are a genuine short-term visitor.

I hope you are granted a TRV

 

[visalen]

I hope my analysis is wrong. The visa officer may be convinced that you are a genuine short-term visitor.

I hope you are granted a TRV

please assist to arrange the docs ... for super visa

hank you so much Bryanna for you quick response and advise. I would really appreciate if you help me with uploading of documents for super visa online submission. This is how i arrange the documents, please advise if i am doing it correctly or not ? please assist thanks

Invitation Letter

Letter of Invitation

Copy of my Passport

Marriage Certificate

Proof of Financial Resource of Supporter (required)

Promise Letter

My Bank statement

My Investment Statement

My Emp Letter

My NOA

My T4

My Pay Stub

Proof of Means of Financial Support (required)

Father’s Bank statements (6 months)

Father’s FDR’s

Property letter

Purpose of Travel - Other (required)

Doctors Note (wife pregnant)

Travel Itinerary

Canadian Medical Insurance


Proof of Relationship (required)

My Birth Certificate

Client Information (optional)
Pictures

 

[ubfx]

Thanks for your deep insight into it. I am now clueless about what will make the VISA officers convince that my intention is not to stay back on this trip. I provided return tickets, Letter from Employer, Letter from Sponsor, for Finance all the documents of the host. God knows what else they need. Was honest about the purpose of my visit citing one primary and one secondary and still if they think I will not come back. I really have nothing to do. As you are an expert in this, I do take your words at face value. But yes completely disheartened to know that I will not be able to visit my friend and my fiance. I really don't know whether the VISA guys want honest visitors or otherwise. Really heartbroken.

Confirm or paid return ticket has nothing to do with visa grant 99% people use itinerary not a confirmed ticket so it can't change anything unless your prove your self on papers that you will come back you have good travel history financial bg etc again if they point out travel history so they can give it again btw which countries did you visit in a past and what is a reason to get married only in Canada? she can came back and then you can get married to why to visit Canada to get married when she is not even a citizen?