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Use and disclosure of biometric information

Posted 11/12/2012

The proposed regulations allow for biometric and related biographic information collected for immigration purposes to be used or disclosed for domestic law enforcement purposes, while ensuring that the information is used and shared in compliance with the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Privacy Act.

The RCMP would be authorized to use and disclose to Canadian law enforcement agencies biometric and limited biographic information, including an individual’s name, date of birth and gender, collected under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) to establish or verify the identity of persons in some circumstances.

Specifically, when a fingerprint collected by the RCMP or submitted to the RCMP by another domestic law enforcement agency matches a fingerprint collected under the IRPA, the RCMP would be authorized to use or disclose the information for the purpose of:

establishing or verifying the identity of a person in order to prevent, investigate or prosecute an offence under a Canadian federal or provincial law;
establishing or verifying the identity of a person whose identity cannot be established or verified because of their death or any other physical or mental condition.
For example, access to identity‑related information collected under the IRPA could help in cases where unidentified fingerprints are found at a crime scene or where assistance is needed in identifying victims.

Immigration information sharing
Canada is a member of the Five Country Conference (FCC), a forum for immigration and border security, which also includes Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States.


The FCC High Value Data Sharing (HVDS) Protocol is an initiative for sharing biometric information between the FCC member countries for immigration purposes. To date, immigration information sharing among FCC countries has resulted in:

Canada: revoking the refugee status of a man whom British records proved to be an American citizen.

Australia: identifying, on the basis of the immigration records of other countries, Pakistani citizens who claimed to be Afghan citizens.

The UK: returning a wanted rapist who pretended to be a Somali asylum seeker to Australia. He subsequently pleaded guilty.

The UK: taking action against an asylum seeker who used nine different identities and six different documents across the FCC countries.

Building on this, Canada and the U.S. committed to increase immigration information sharing as part of the 2011 Perimeter Security and Economic Competitiveness Action Plan, signed by Prime Minister Harper and President Obama. In 2014, both countries will begin to systematically share biometric information, in the form of fingerprints, from third-country nationals from certain countries who are temporary resident visa, work permit or study permit applicants. Enhanced information sharing promotes security and border efficiency by establishing and verifying the identities of foreign nationals, and identifying those who are inadmissible at the earliest opportunity.
 

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Kiryayogi said:
Hey guys
Any idea if the finger prints can be done outside Canada. I got the request to submit one within 30 days but I am currently out of Canada and would not return until June/15. I am pretty sure I have no criminal record but could be case of name match found.
Thanks
Dont know if that would be a good idea, a more seasoned member may chime in though
 

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skFSW said:
Yesterday.. I got the Fingerprint request for me

Here is timeline

App Sent-22-Sept-14
App Recei-29-Sept-14
ecas Active-Nov-25-14
In PROCESS-21-Nov-14
Received line disappear-Dec-5,14
AOR Received-Dec 17,14
FingerPrint RQ received-19-Jan-14


ajay95 said:
Got fingerprint request today from St Clair CIC Office; Local office - Scarborough

Citizenship:
Date Sent => 16-Sep-2014
Date Received => 18-Sep-2014 (According to eCAS)
eCAS updated => 20-Nov-2014
Processing Started => 17-Nov-2014
Rcvd Line disappeared => 9-Dec-2014
AOR/Book in Mailbox => 9-Dec-2014
Fingerprints Request Received => 20 Jan 2015(Letter Dated 17 Jan 2015)
Test Date =>
Hera9 said:
I received FP request letter dated on 15 Jan from St Clair office too. I did my FP on 19 Jan. Lately, FP requests had increased significantly. We have a similar timeline. Almost identical.
ajay95 said:
Yes I know I am just trying to co-relate usually when a person receives fingerprint.
Sometimes during PR you get FP then you dont receive it while citizenship application processing.
Still not 100% true; variations occur
 

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Make that a 4th FPR for September thread received this week. mmm... Coincidence?

My letter was dated January 13.
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Like many, I also thought it could be linked to having similar name/s to a known criminal, but after some more thought I concluded that it may not always be so.
Reason being : I have had to do name based Criminal record checks, as well as a vulnerable sector check here in Canada, and was never asked to do FP's. (So this for me kills the theory of having a similar name as an offender).

That said, the request is still being made under section 21-22 of the Citizenship act. (raises more questions than answers)

However, crimes are being committed on a daily basis, so it is possible the offence and/or offender became known to CPIC's data base in more recent times, I.e. during the time of the processing of my/our application.

I really don't know what the rhyme or reasoning is behind receiving one of these FPR, I just know that I am a law abiding resident soon to be Citizen LOL so I will be submitting mine soon.

Feel free to post your progress and experience
 

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I have to have yearly RCMP background checks because my wife works a dayhome in Alberta.

Rule of thumb - they will only ask for fingerprints only if your birthdate (and other small factors) match with anything in thier database. Onlt then will they fingerprint you to rule you out of a bad report.

for me - no one in Canada has committed a crime that has the same birthdate as me..so I am clean.
 

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I did my FP on 19 Jan and RCPM sent results to CIC on 21 Jan.
 

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ERJOPA said:
I have to have yearly RCMP background checks because my wife works a dayhome in Alberta.

Rule of thumb - they will only ask for fingerprints only if your birthdate (and other small factors) match with anything in thier database. Onlt then will they fingerprint you to rule you out of a bad report.

for me - no one in Canada has committed a crime that has the same birthdate as me..so I am clean.
Mmm interesting take ... so it may be a date of birth thing then?!
 

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Hello all, quick finger print request update here,
RCMP got fingerprints through agency on Monday 26 January received the below email this morning.

looks like the service is pretty swift , lets hope CIC follows up with test invite just as quickly.




Good Morning,

In response to your request for a status update on a Civil Criminal Record verification for: XXXXXXX XXXXXXX

Please be advised that the verification in question was completed on: January 27, 2015 and the result has been sent to:

CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION CANADA
CIC ST CLAIR
25 ST CLAIR AVENUE EAST, 2ND FLOOR
TORONTO ON M4T 1M2

NOTE:
CFSS processes more than 30,000 criminal record searches each month. The processing times for applications will vary depending on whether or not an individuals fingerprints can be associated to a criminal holding maintained by the RCMP. For those that are associated and or a manual review must take place, the process can take in excess of one hundred and twenty (120) days. For those that are not associated the processing time is significantly less. For further information on processing times please visit our website.



My advise to those with FPRS, get them in quickly.
 

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Interesting update again,


Just got off the phone with CIC to advise them the requested fingerprints were submitted. The agent was kind enough to attempt to note my file and came back stating that they had already received the results on the 26th, and not the 27th as per RCMP! anyway 26th or 27th doesn't matter either way, what matters here is speed. :D
Agent also stated that all background checks were already completed. However since I had answered yes to having used another name in the past, even though that name is still part of my current name, the process requires that applicants finger prints be submitted in these cases .
(So much for trying to cross every T ) ::)

see example below

Current Name : JANE DOE-SMITH (Smith being spouse's Surname)
Maiden name : JANE DOE


Therefore, I did not need to fill the section of application that referred to having used another name including maiden name, since I still also currently use my maiden name, I would only need to fill that section if I was currently using the name JANE SMITH, so even though the background checks were already done using all my names that I currently use, according to CIC's policy, a test could not be scheduled before the submission of fingerprints, as this request should have been sent to me earlier in the process.


Also, I think someone else form another thread hinted at this before too, But when I went to get my prints taken at commissionaries, I was advised that a match does not necessarily have to be on a same name basis, when the criminal registers are checked if a similar date of birth and gender is matched to a sex offender a Finger print request is needed to rule out Criminality.

I know there are a lot of guessing surrounding these FPR's, but according to the lovely lady at CIC this was the issue in my case, and it may very well be for others especially female applicants.
Hope this sheds light or make the process a little easier for others in a similar position.
 

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I just called CIC. The agent checked my note and said "everything is good and I'm on waiting list for exam".
 

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Hi all,

I was advised today by CIC that my file is back with the Mississauga office again, to be put in test que, as the background checks are all completed and are ok.


anyone else had any other updates?