Fiance coming to Canada on TRV... how long does she say she's coming?

[Daveo52]

So one of the questions on her application are how long do you plan to come to Canada for?

Do we say forever? Do we say 2 months? I don't want to be fraudulent, and we are planning on getting married. What do I say?

 

[mikeymyke]

Depends on her history, if she has a solid job, lots of $ in her account, has a good travel history, and has no family in Canada, and lots of family back home, she is more likely to be allowed to stay over 2 months.

 

[Daveo52]

Ok, but my main question is... How long does she say she's coming for? Forever, or for 2 months?

 

[Alurra71]

Ok, but my main question is... How long does she say she's coming for? Forever, or for 2 months?

I can assure you, if she says 'forever' she won't be getting that TRV.

 

[Leon]

Is she visa exempt and coming to Canada or she has to apply for a TRV?

If she is visa exempt and you really do not want to lie about the visit and purpose of the visit, you should visit her and enter Canada together stating your plans to get married and apply for her sponsorship. If she shows up alone saying that, it is likely that they will deny her entry and send her back.

If she has to apply for a visit visa, saying that she is planning to get married and stay forever will pretty much assure that she will be refused. Visit visas are for people who want to visit.

 

[screech339]

When my wife applied for TRV as a fiancee, she only listed that she was staying for a couple of weeks visiting my family. She gotten her multiple entry TRV no problem. She was granted 6 months stay in Canada when she entered despite showing ticket she is staying a week. When she came back to Canada to get married, she again told the border agent that she was staying a week visiting. They gave her 6 month stay and allowed her in despite records on file saying that she is engaged. We got married and then went into the US on temporary work visa. When we finally moved back to Canada, I was with her at the time on entry. We explained that we are moving back to Canada and intending to start inland sponsorship. They took us inside and input the record that my wife is in Canada in the system. My wife then gotten a 6 month visitor record and advised us to extend her visitor status for an extra year. We applied for 1 year visitor extension along with sponsorship and 10 months later, my wife landed as PR with no hassle.

So my story basically means this. Don't say forever, 2 years, or whatever ridiculous time. Just state 1 or 2 weeks visiting in Canada. They will grant her a 5 year TRV and still let her come in Canada for 6 month limit. Remember you have to convince them that you intend to leave Canada. Otherwise they will not grant you a TRV. By listing your stay to 1 to 2 weeks in Canada will help remove their worry that you won't stay "FOREVER". TRV are meant for visiting purposes, not to immigrate to Canada.

Screech339

 

[mikeymyke]

Hey that's really handy advice screech. My fiance thought about applying to come here after we send our PR, but we were worried if we ask too much time to stay here, they will automatically refuse. Asking for just a couple weeks, and hoping they grant you a longer stay, sounds like the best advice.

 

[Leon]

In most cases they automatically grant 6 months unless they have some reason to think the person may overstay. Worst case, they can deny entry alltogether. Say if somebody says they are staying for 2-3 weeks but they brought a years worth of clothes and items and important documents like birth certificate, job references, family photo albums etc. immigration will get suspicious.

 

[ashley2705]

Hello, my name is Goury. I`m here in canada since 4 months, I want to sponsor my fiance after our official marriage. I will apply for the sponsorship after marriage. I want to bring her here for about one week under visitor visa for this christmas. I just want to know the risk, applying pr after having a single entry visitor visa please. Thank you

 

[DuberBlue]

Hello, my name is Goury. I`m here in canada since 4 months, I want to sponsor my fiance after our official marriage. I will apply for the sponsorship after marriage. I want to bring her here for about one week under visitor visa for this christmas. I just want to know the risk, applying pr after having a single entry visitor visa please. Thank you

Hi Goury, you say you've been in Canada four months, but I'll assume you are at least a Permanent Resident yourself (you must be a citizen or a PR to sponsor your spouse).

As far as having your spouse visit there is no risk from what I can judge. If she will be applying outland this process is not hindered in any way by visiting (and legally maintaining a visitor status while she is here). Applying outland does not exclude the possibility of visiting.

 

[mikeymyke]

The only risk is if your fiance doesn't have a stable job, enough money in her account, has more relatives in Canada than in her country, and doesn't have a good travel history, she will very likely be rejected for a visitor visa, and if that happens , it will slightly negatively affect your PR application, because the application does ask if she's ever been refused a TRV, which is among a bunch of "red flag" questions on the form.

 

[CdnandTrini]

The only risk is if your fiance doesn't have a stable job, enough money in her account, has more relatives in Canada than in her country, and doesn't have a good travel history, she will very likely be rejected for a visitor visa, and if that happens , it will slightly negatively affect your PR application, because the application does ask if she's ever been refused a TRV, which is among a bunch of "red flag" questions on the form.

@mikeymyke - TRV refusals do not in and of themselves negatively affect PR applications, nor are they always a red flag on an application. On the contrary, TRV refusals show the couple's intent and active attempts to be together and are often expected and seen positively on PR applications. If there are multiple other concerns about an application along with a TRV refusal, perhaps in that context it may become an issue. Your other points re: the TRV (job, funds, travel history) are valid.

 

[mikeymyke]

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5669E.pdf

Look at the questions on the right. Notice how it would appear by answering yes to any of the questions, it would count as a red flag? Being refused a TRV is one of them, along with other seemingly harsher questions like being a refugee or convicted of a crime.

You're right, it's normal for spouses to want to visit each other and being refused a TRV isn't a huge deal, in the grand scheme of things. But it's best, to avoid any problems, to avoid being refused one in the first place. IMO, it's best to avoid any blemishes on your application, no matter how small. That's why my fiance and I discussed this and decided for her not to apply a TRv, but instead let me come see her instead. It doesn't matter because we both get to see each other at least. And when the VO sees how often we see each other, explaining to them why she hasn't come see me is a LOT easier than answering YES to having being refused a TRV.

We ask ourselves, is it really that important for her to visit me, when I can just go visit her? We both get to enjoy each other's company no matter what country we are in, why add a red flag to our application? (even if it's a small red flag). I want the VO to look at that form, see that I checked off NO to all those questions, and quickly move on, and not have to investigate the YES.

She's from Vietnam, we won't even bother try to apply for TRV. If this was from USA or some other affluent country, sure we'd do it!

Being refused a TRV isn't a big deal, if the rest of your relationship is solid, but we dont want ANY blemish on our PR application, no matter how small it is. Actually I'm just talking w my fiance about it now, and she just says, "oh who cares about going to Canada, its not a big deal"