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Letter from applicant dated 30-NOV-2012 Please advise the Court in response to Justice Barnes' direction November 14,2012, I have served lead case for each of 4 categories of cases involed in the Emam contingent...I have served the following lead cases IMM-4032-12.IMM-10609-12,IMM-6864-12. received on 30-NOV-2012 with proof of service on the respondent
 

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Tim Lehay now has four lead case: -

IMM-7502-11: - MOHAMMAD MEHDI EMAM v. MCI. - Warsaw Poland

IMM-4032-12: - PREET DEEP SINGH DATTA v. MCI. - New Delhi,

IMM-10609-12: - HUANGHUANG LIU v. MCI. - BEIJING

IMM-6864-12: - RUI XING V. MCI. - HONG KONG

Letter from applicant dated 30-NOV-2012 Please bring this letter to the attention of Justice Barnes in response to direction dated November 14,2012...I have served the following lead cases IMM-4032-12,IMM-10609-12,IMM-6864-12. received on 30-NOV-2012 with proof of service on the respondent
 

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Thanks for posting those articles. But if you could post a summary of it, that would help others who can't understand what they are writing about.
 

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From Delhi only one lead is there. Did tht mean all the litigants are of same category.means No seldec till 2th march.
 

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The purpose of section 15 is to prevent the violation of human dignity and freedom by the imposition of disadvantage, stereotyping or prejudice, and to promote equal recognition at law of all persons as equally deserving.

We are victims of prejudice. without looking in to our application CIC determined that we all are old aged and our professions are outdated.
We were discriminated by CIC when they processed applications received after 28 feb 2008 and warehoused our applications.
 

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Zoni said:
I want to raise some concerns regarding "definitely win".

1) This charter is for more specifically people and citizen's of CANADA. Not for the people who are foreign national's like us who have just paid $500 as processing fees.

2) Where you find discrimination ??? They have closed file's for every race, nationality, color, sex etc.

3) This law is not a matter of Minister Kenny or Immigration Ministry Since its a bill Passed by the Parliament of CANADA who are elected by the People of CANADA for there country.

4) By throwing us out there is no damage to credibility of CANADA. Years ago mostly Asian's look towards CANADA but now with 25% unemployment in SPAIN . PORTUGAL , GREECE etc European's are also looking toward CANADA.

5) Currently backlog for cases after 27, 2008 is around 122000 while visa's for next year are 53,500. That means even if new applications remain frozen it would take more than two years to clear them.

6)Lawyers said many thing about this "class action" issue. But now they are backing with "test case" . So my question is didn't these lawyers dont knew previously that ""TEST CASES" is OMGGGGGGGG.

I will be grateful if some body can give good opinion on these concerns.
My point of view is very simple, even if all the odds are against us and we have 1% chance of winning against 99% of losing, there is no harm in trying.

Many of us have waited 8 year (some have already "celebrated" 100 months) and in a few months time we would know our outcome. So, let's be patient (as we have been for the last 8 years) and hope for the best outcome.

I believe sitting with our ams folded and waiting for a ONLY a devine intervesion (devine intervesion is also required) would not lead us anywhere, that is why many of us or should I say most of us are fighting (in the court).
 

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My point of view is very simple, even if all the odds are against us and we have 1% chance of winning against 99% of losing, there is no harm in trying.

Many of us have waited 8 year (some have already "celebrated" 100 months) and in a few months time we would know our outcome. So, let's be patient (as we have been for the last 8 years) and hope for the best outcome.

I believe sitting with our ams folded and waiting for a ONLY a devine intervesion (devine intervesion is also required) would not lead us anywhere, that is why many of us or should I say most of us are fighting (in the court).
I am part of the 2007 FSW backlog too, but i don't think anything good will come out of this court action. It will be dragged for years until any decision will be reached, and once it will be reached it will be in the best case a general decision not to close the files. So, the status quo will prevail, files will remain open with no actual processing happening. Although I agree with the course of legal actions against CIC , even if just to prove that their actions will not be tolerated without fight, but i really think all applicants should start looking for other options...
 

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sashali78 said:
I am part of the 2007 FSW backlog too, but i don't think anything good will come out of this court action. It will be dragged for years until any decision will be reached, and once it will be reached it will be in the best case a general decision not to close the files. So, the status quo will prevail, files will remain open with no actual processing happening. Although I agree with the course of legal actions against CIC , even if just to prove that their actions will not be tolerated without fight, but i really think all applicants should start looking for other options...
@sashali78,
dear have u joined any litigation group?if not then get it fast bcz maximum number of litigants is needed to reflect our seriousness and show the aggression against unfair act of cic.
 

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kau_shik_patel said:
Good Day,


I have just faxed and email a letter to the managing judge and copied it to all counsel involved in the challenge to the closing of the unassessed pre-Bill C-50 files. The text reads:


As I understand, his Lordship, the Honourable Mr. Justice Barnes stated at the November 14th CMC that cases for which application records are served and filed by November 30th will be granted leave and the matter heard January 14th-16th. Although the schedule is exceedingly tight, I shall endeavor to meet it despite the fact that I am en route to Calgary this morning and will be in Edmonton, North Battleford and Saskatoon before returning to Toronto on Sunday in time to attend the LSUC immigration seminar on the 26th and 27th and to appear at a hearing on the 28th. I would appreciate your so advising his Lordship.

Prior to the Minister's coup de main five months after the Emam proceeding's commencement, we had identified only two categories, but the Minister's action has multiplied the categories. At present, because the Emam contingent consists of four distinct subcategories, I anticipate serving and filing a lead case for each; viz., (1) pre-Bill C-50 cases which (a) were never assessed, (b) were assessed before 29 March 2012 or (c) after March 29th and (2) MI 1 cases.

Yesterday, I served the lead case for 1b, as well as fifteen companion cases because Mr. Justice Rennie had stated that it would be inappropriate to issue mandamus for cases for which the facts are not on the record. I expect to have records for all the 1b cases for which we have secured CAIPS notes served and filed before the hearing. The lead case is IMM-10609-12, Huanghuang Liu v. M.C.I. While I would expect the respondent to address Liu as per the time-frame you laid down, the other cases may proceed in the normal time-frame as far as I am concerned.

Because s. 87.4 has no bearing on the 1b and MI 1 cases, I respectfully submit, their issues should not be put aside while the significantly larger s. 87.4 contingent's case be addressed. If allowing these subcategories to “have their day in court” on January 14th-16th is not acceptable, it might be in their better interest to take up your earlier-stated offer that applicants may leave the managed litigation if they wish. While I would prefer that they remain within the managed litigation given the early hearing date and the pending motion, if their issues will not be entertained at the hearing, they would be better served outside the case-managed proceeding.

warmest said:
I just admire the calibre of Tim Leahy. He is shrewd and spontaneous. An excellent lawyer. Great man, great job. I am short of words to describe his potential. Words can hardly describe him. I am proud to say that I am a client of him. He is simply superb. ;D

Now, who are going to be the lucky guys to represent the other two lead cases? I wish me to be one of them. Let us see. :D

kau_shik_patel said:
Tim Lehay now has four lead case: -

IMM-7502-11: - MOHAMMAD MEHDI EMAM v. MCI. - Warsaw Poland

IMM-4032-12: - PREET DEEP SINGH DATTA v. MCI. - New Delhi,

IMM-10609-12: - HUANGHUANG LIU v. MCI. - BEIJING

IMM-6864-12: - RUI XING V. MCI. - HONG KONG

Letter from applicant dated 30-NOV-2012 Please bring this letter to the attention of Justice Barnes in response to direction dated November 14,2012...I have served the following lead cases IMM-4032-12,IMM-10609-12,IMM-6864-12. received on 30-NOV-2012 with proof of service on the respondent

This time again I am unlucky. :( Tim Leahy has not chosen my file to be one of his lead files. :'( Thought I could become one of the 'future lucky Liangs'. It has not happened. It is ok, I cannot help it anyway. :(

If I am destined to go to Canada only after every member of this backlog (and the future applicants as well) reach(es) Canada, then so be it. What can I do? Pitiable, helpless guy ... ;) :D
 

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Hi


Actually Kenney had nothing to do with the backlog. The Liberal party in 2003 as an election ploy, lowered the points for Skilled worker from 75-67. Prior to points being lowered, there were very little backlogs.
Hi PMM,

In aug 2011 , I enquired about my application status with NewDelhi visa office. They emailed me back . And the letter stated that
"Your application will not be processed in this year or next (ie 2011 or 2012) since we have received more cases after feb 28 2008 to meet our targets "
This email was received by almost all pre feb applicants of 2008 and they all think that the creation of "post 2008 backlog" is responsible for the non processing of prefeb cases and their termination..
 

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Here is Tim Leahy's recent reply to a query from an applicant.

Anil A.
Dear Tim,
Is there any possibility that cic may agree for settlement with " litigants only" out of the court ?

1 day ago


Tim L.
Dear Anil,
Yes, that possibility exists, but I would not expect CIC to settle for two reasons: (1) it would require the Minister to back down, impeding his long-held desire to become PM and (2) it would only spawn copy-cat litigation. So, while the litigation would be over for the applicants, it would not be over for CIC. So, yes, the possibility exists, but it is not probable.

More probable is that, should the Court rule in the applicants' favour, the applicants will move to the head of the 86,000-file queue because the order would apply only to their cases, and counsel are seeking an order to have their files processed. So, those in the litigation may gain an advantage over those not in it. (However, if the Court only strikes down s. 87.4 but does not set a time-frame for processing the litigants' FSW files, there would be no advantage to being in the litigation.)

At this stage, one needs to compare the various litigation groups. The one I filed over a year ago is different than the others because I am seeking to enforce the Agreement, CIC and I signed 3 February 2012, wherein CIC agreed to "be guided by" the decision in Liang, where Justice Rennie ordered CIC to finalize that case (which had been assessed) within 120 days. If he agrees to do so in the case he is to hear on January 14th-16th, he will have to decide whether that order will apply only to those who join the unfairCIC.com group before June 14th or all those who are members, adhering to the directions of Justice Barnes. If so, it would not matter whether he strikes down s. 87.4 (the provision which closed the files) because the unfairCIC.com litigants will have there files processed per the February 3rd Agreement.

On the other hand, if Justice Rennie, who has been assigned to preside at the January 14th-16th hearing, does not enforce the Agreement, his decision on s. 87.4 will apply to the unfairCIC.com litigants, too, because all the FSW groups -- there are at least seven others (and one who asked on Friday to be permitted to join) -- will have their cases heard at the same time by Justice Rennie, who made the June 14th ruling, which the unfairCIC.com group is seeking to have enforced. (If Justice Rennie does not enforce the Agreement, or only does so for the pre-June 14th litigants, his ruling on the legality of s. 87.4, which the other groups are challenging, will apply to them, too.)

12 hours ago
 

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Dear litigant, From Tim Leahy


Time for some up-dates. After working overnight on Thursday, I completed the last two written submissions for the January 14th-16th hearings and served and filed them on Friday. The four groups are:
1. files lodged before 27 February 2008 which
a. have never been assessed,
b. were assessed before 29 March 2012 (and joined after June 14th) and
c. were assessed after March 29th and underwent medicals; and
2. files lodged between 27 February 2008 and 25 June 2010.


DoJ has objected to inclusion of the MI 1 litigants -- all four of them -- having their case heard on January 14th-16th and sent a letter to that effect to the Court after working hours on Thursday. When I filed my last two written arguments -- for 1b and 1c -- I enclosed a letter, identifying the four lead cases and explaining why I am proceeding in the manner; i.e., our group initially included two classes (pre-Bill C-50 and MI 1) but on March 29th the Minister divided former into assessed and not-assessed and on June 29th created a fourth class (post-March-29th-assesssed); and, thus, I have not added a new group; I am only dealing with the sub-groups CIC has created.


I really do not know why Marin Anderson, DoJ counsel, did not object to 1b, too. Maybe he just didn't read the letter which had accompanied that filing, where I alerted counsel that I would be filing three more lead cases. However, if he should decide to do so now, I will advise the Court that (a) he is not counsel involved in your litigation -- and he is not; he is lead counsel in the Toronto-based 87.4 batch -- and (b) he lost his chance to complain when he did not raise that issue when he objected to the MI 1. But, in any event, I doubt that Justice Barnes will allow Martin Anderson to decide whom I may represent and whose cases I may pursue.


The judge who has been selected to preside at the hearing is Mr. Justice Rennie, who issued the June 14th decision in our favour. I am pleased that it is he because he had said: "the Protocol (Agreement) governs", but CIC has refused to honour it. He should be sympathetic for the pre-June 14th litigants and those in 1b and 2 because they fall squarely under his June 14th ruling. His real challenges will be: (a) applying the same ruling for the post-June 14th 1a litigants and (b) ruling on s. 87.4 itself. (He can uphold s. 87.4 but still enforce the Agreement. So, we're better positioned than the other counsels' litigants who can only win if s. 87.4 is struck down.)


The really good news is that Arthur, one of our astute Chinese litigants, emailed me the following link on Thursday night after I had printed my written submissions for 1a and was working on 1c.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/bulletins/2012/ob479B.asp


Although it does not apply to any of the litigants, it proves that I have been right all along: the Minister has the means to override the effect of s. 87.4, contrary to what DoJ has been arguing in Court. The Minister's having done so effectively means that DoJ has been lying to the Court with respect to enforcement of the Agreement. If anyone over there has any smarts, they'll immediately offer to settle our cases.


I was only able to include this argument in the 1c submissions because two of the others had been served and filed and the third was written, printed and bound. However, I will be able to raise it in the reply and on the 14th. So, Arthur has really helped everyone by having kept himself so current -- and did so within hours (if not minutes) of OB 479-B's being posted on the website.


Another interesting development is the fact that we have two versions of the Agreement. When I was writing the arguments, I noted that the excerpt I had quoted did not reflect omission of preceding text, contrary to how I would ordinarily have written it. That preceding text DoJ had included in its submissions on the motion and I had just presumed that it was accurate. DoJ's paragraph 14 has a clause saying, in effect, the "be guided by" obligation only applies to those who were in the litigation before the hearing; the version they had sent me does not have that limitation. So, I will have to get a copy from the Court to see which version DoJ filed with the Court -- DoJ wrote the Agreement; I made suggestions; they wrote the final version; I signed off on it, and they filed it with the Court. If it was my version, they are really going to be in big trouble with the Court. I just hope that they did not file the revised version -- not that it really matters for our argument -- because, if they did not, I will urge DoJ to settle immediately or I will advise the Court that they have been attempting to defraud the Court.


And, if you have not figured it out: Justice Barnes will never rule on our motion. We will just have to wait for Justice Rennie to rule.


Justice Barnes has proven himself adept at working for the Minister every step of the way. His setting the hearing for January 14th-16th not only gives him a way out of deciding our motion but it also forced applicants' counsel to withdraw their motion for class-certification, which had told us twice he opposes, because, although the decision could be appealed to the Federal Court of Appeal (FCA), the FCA could not hear it before January 14th, after which the issue would be moot. Moreover, if he had certified a group, and DoJ had not appealed, the class-action could not be properly organized in time for a January 14th hearing. More perniciously, however, is the early date prevents us from obtaining support from outside parties on my constitutional issue. They simply would not have time to obtain permission to file amicus briefs, let alone to write one. So, he will have cleared the decks for the Minister before the next Budget Bill, where I expect the Minister to insert a provision abolishing all economic-class applications not assessed before July 1st, when he will introduce new selection criteria for skilled workers and new investor and entrepreneur programs. The Minister coudn't've found a more amenable judge unless he could appoint his mother to the Bench.


I am grateful to all of you who do not send me weekly requests for up-dates. As for the few who do not seem to understand that, when I have nothing to say, I say nothing and insist on weekly, if not daily, updates, I have decided to cease responding to their emails. If they cannot remember anything important I did not include either in emails like this one or post on the website but only learned owing to their query, I would be grateful if they would show a little trust in my judgment and accept that they do not need to ask me every other day: "what is happening"?


The next step from my end -- besides beating back Martin Anderson's interference -- is to prepare questions for their witness, who is to file his/her affidavit by December 14th. I have not had time to think about what to ask beyond what I asked previously. If any of you have some suggestions, please read what I asked before -- no need to ask me what I have already asked -- and let me know your ideas. I asked more than I am technically allowed to ask, and DoJ refused to answer many of them, as you can see from the attachment. So, there is no guarantee that, even if asked, an answer will be forthcoming. Yes, I can file a motion, asking the Court to order the witness to answer. However, Justice Barnes has made certain that the hearing will take place before the time for doing so will have come.


Regards,


Tim
 

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if any one want to ask some question e-mail Tim Leahy. he can mention in his submission & put before court.
 

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Good day,


In case you are one of those who received letters from a province, inviting you to extract yourself from the FSW backlog, and you accepted the invitation, you may now be eligible for an open work permit in that province. Here is the link to the operational bulletin, giving the parameters.


http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/bulletins/2012/ob470.asp


Regards,


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We enclose the Respondent's answers to your written interrogatories.

In accordance with Rule 95 of the Federal Gourts Rules. we raise following objections:

Question 13: We object to this question on the basis that it concerns matters
which are outside the scope of the present litigation. Furthermore, the FSW caps have been the subject of separate litigation before this Court and leave was dismissed. (See for example: Nikolenko v. MGI, IMM-7936~11, Ahmed v. MGI. IMM-4488-11, Abughabieh v. MGI, IMM-6933-11, Alam v. MGI, IMM-6469-11).

Question 30: We object to this question on the grounds that it is argumentative.

Questions 39-47: We object to these questions on the grounds that they are
irrelevant and beyond the scope of the present litigation. This case raises no
issues with respect to the Arranged Employment Offer program or Provincial
Nominee migrants.

Questions 51-52: We object to these questions on the grounds that they are
argumentative and beyond the scope of the present litigation and this affianfs
knowledge.

Question 57: We object to this question on the grounds that it is argumentative.

Question 58-63: Although the affiant has provided answers to these questions.
we also note our objection to these questions on the grounds that the validity to the legislation is not at issue in this litigation. The questions are therefore outside the scope of the present legislation.